Too Soon UL Game Thread?

[bearcats5]

Don't know if this has been brought up yet, but Mick's brother is claiming on Twitter that Greg Anthony initiated the second review by calling the refs over after they made the first reversal. Have never heard of an announcer getting a ref to change a call without the officials asking for video help first (though, Chuck has certainly tried...).

 

[BDcats]

Don't know if this has been brought up yet, but Mick's brother is claiming on Twitter that Greg Anthony initiated the second review by calling the refs over after they made the first reversal. Have never heard of an announcer getting a ref to change a call without the officials asking for video help first (though, Chuck has certainly tried...).

would not surprise me since he was so darn adamant on TV about it. Liked him as a player but I sure hope he didn't insert himself into the game like that. As others have said for the entire Cats squad to come up so short offensively other than SK (ohh and I don't want to hear anyone talk about his shooting percentage since NO ONE else wanted to assert themselves into the offense.) To lose on a last second shot all in all with the way the Cats played is not bad at all. Hopefully will be a good learning experience for the guys that they need to impose their will on offensive as well as defense if they want to compete against the big boys.

 

[bearcat jeff]

That is exactly what I am saying. Louisville completely took UC out what they wanted to do offensively. Remember, we shot over 60% in the second half of the last game...so I am sure Pitino wasn't not about to allow that to happen again. They were terrific defensively.

Actually, this reminded me a lot of the Big East Championship game we played against Louisville. I see similar ceilings for both teams: UC is Sweet 16 good and UofL is Final Four good...

Cincinnati missed a ton of wide open shots. Not taking anything away from UL but let's be real here. There was one sequence where UC missed 4 straight off of offensive rebounds. Cincinnati played as poorly offensively as you could play and lost on a last second shot. Not sure where the ceiling is so different for these teams especially considering 4 points is all that separates them in 2 games.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Cincinnati missed a ton of wide open shots. Not taking anything away from UL but let's be real here. There was on sequence where UC missed 4 straight off of offensive rebounds. Cincinnati played as poorly offensively as you could play and lost on a last second shot. Not sure where the ceiling is so different for these teams.

It isn't complicated. Cincinnati is greatly overachieving with the current talent and Louisville is slightly underachieving. In the NCAA tournament, generally talent will win out while overachieving teams don't make it as far. It isn't a knock against UC, this is one of my favorite teams to watch. Just being realistic.

 

[#BearcatNation]

It isn't complicated. Cincinnati is greatly overachieving with the current talent and Louisville is slightly underachieving. In the NCAA tournament, generally talent will win out while overachieving teams don't make it as far. It isn't a knock against UC, this is one of my favorite teams to watch. Just being realistic.

Not sure how it's overachieving when we couldn't hit the bright side of a barn in the first half while our 2nd best player sat the bench 17 minutes, yet we only lost by a buzzer beater. When we started getting hot a little over a month ago, I thought maybe we were overachieving a little, but at this point, this team has proven enough that they are no joke. We were simply underrated from the start. It's not just about raw talent. The maturity of this team is unmatched. Not to mention the defense.

 

[Bearcat Rob]

It isn't complicated. Cincinnati is greatly overachieving with the current talent and Louisville is slightly underachieving. In the NCAA tournament, generally talent will win out while overachieving teams don't make it as far. It isn't a knock against UC, this is one of my favorite teams to watch. Just being realistic.

We are not overachieving we are just good. We are a tough team, with great athletes who play great defense led by three of the best leaders and a great coach. Not to mention our best player is one of the best players in the country. Our effort is off the chart, not many teams have a guy like rubles, that man goes to battle every game he is a a warrior. Defense, leadership, toughness will lead us thru march along with sk.

 

[cincycpaw]

A silver lining...with the game on the line and Louisville doubling SK. When TC got the ball, mick called for everyone to clear out and TC looked like an upper class man taking his man to the hole, getting fouled, and hitting his FT. Could be a big ego boost heading into march that TC and the team needs.

 

[bearcat jeff]

It isn't complicated. Cincinnati is greatly overachieving with the current talent and Louisville is slightly underachieving. In the NCAA tournament, generally talent will win out while overachieving teams don't make it as far. It isn't a knock against UC, this is one of my favorite teams to watch. Just being realistic.

I don't believe you're knocking them, but you like many others look only at stats, etc and overlook intangibles. The same intangibles that nearly gave UC a win when shooting 29% against a team you believe has Final Four talent. The same intangibles that allowed them to beat UL on the road. Sometimes there is something about certain teams. A quality you just can't put your finger on because it comes from within. Teams like the Giants when they beat New England's jaugernaut. This team has that and if they can get hot offensively at the right time, they may do something special. There is a special quality about this team that defies the eye test and stats.

 

[TheLongHaul]

That is exactly what I am saying. Louisville completely took UC out what they wanted to do offensively. Remember, we shot over 60% in the second half of the last game...so I am sure Pitino wasn't not about to allow that to happen again. They were terrific defensively.

Actually, this reminded me a lot of the Big East Championship game we played against Louisville. I see similar ceilings for both teams: UC is Sweet 16 good and UofL is Final Four good...

The officials definitely helped UC score points at the end. I don't they would have broken 50 without some of the touch fouls that were called down the stretch.

And didn't UC take UL out of what they wanted to do offensively? You can't just look at one side of the equation. UL is a very good offensive team and UC held them to 58 points, yet UL dominated? UC shot 3 more FT's than UL. If anything UL has more talent on their team so it would be UC outplaying UL. What really happened what two really good defensive teams played and it was a dog fight to the end. It was obviously a very even match.

 

[TheLongHaul]

A silver lining...with the game on the line and Louisville doubling SK. When TC got the ball, mick called for everyone to clear out and TC looked like an upper class man taking his man to the hole, getting fouled, and hitting his FT. Could be a big ego boost heading into march that TC and the team needs.

I'm pretty sure Mick was screaming for SK to go get the ball but UL was denying him the whole way. But still big time of Caupain to step up and take it to the rim and knock down two huge FT's.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

We were thoroughly out played Bateman.

So UC was thoroughly outplayed when it took a 7+ minute momentum killer and a last second shot? Not to mention shots on a charge, many other no calls etc.. If we were thoroughly outplayed as you are saying, then UL isn't as good as you think.

 

[Ryno99]

I'm pretty sure Mick was screaming for SK to go get the ball but UL was denying him the whole way. But still big time of Caupain to step up and take it to the rim and knock down two huge FT's.

I was sitting close enough to hear Mick, at first yes he wanted SK to get the ball back but as soon as he realized that wasn't going to happen he called for the clear our for Troy, and the Frosh came through for him.

The issue on that play was if you want SK to have the ball you can't give it up. As soon as you give it up you are going to have a glove on you to deny the ball. No was was UofL letting him get the ball back in his hands once he gave it up.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

It isn't complicated. Cincinnati is greatly overachieving with the current talent and Louisville is slightly underachieving. In the NCAA tournament, generally talent will win out while overachieving teams don't make it as far. It isn't a knock against UC, this is one of my favorite teams to watch. Just being realistic.

So Louisville is underachieving? How? They needed a last second shot to win against a team that shot 29%. Lunardi stated before Saturday that they shouldn't be a single digit seed because their resume is so weak. 3 top 100 wins was minimum in years past. Guess they should have put up 200 against Rutgers. Guess they should have beaten the rum-dums by more than 20 points.


I think that the jury is still out on UL. We will know a lot more about them in the next two weeks when they go to Memphis and SMU and play UConn at home.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

So Louisville is underachieving? How? They needed a last second shot to win against a team that shot 29%. Lunardi stated before Saturday that they shouldn't be a single digit seed because their resume is so weak. 3 top 100 wins was minimum in years past. Guess they should have put up 200 against Rutgers. Guess they should have beaten the rum-dums by more than 20 points.


I think that the jury is still out on UL. We will know a lot more about them in the next two weeks when they go to Memphis and SMU and play UConn at home.

You are making my point for me with UofL's resume. They are loved by the metrics (ranked #3 in KenPom) but the wins don't reflect it. That is why I said they are underachieving.

It is really hard to be objective around here, too many blind homers...

 

[Patrick Bateman]

You are making my point for me with UofL's resume. They are loved by the metrics (ranked #3 in KenPom) but the wins don't reflect it. That is why I said they are underachieving.

It is really hard to be objective around here, too many blind homers...

The reason the metrics love them is because they beat up on the teams they are supposed to. They haven't lost to anyone that they shouldn't have. You say under achieving but maybe they are over-ranked.

In the next two weeks the question will be answered if they are where they should be ranked or not.

 

[UCBearcats]

You are making my point for me with UofL's resume. They are loved by the metrics (ranked #3 in KenPom) but the wins don't reflect it. That is why I said they are underachieving.

It is really hard to be objective around here, too many blind homers...

I don't understand you metrics guys. Metrics are useful to a certain point but the people who act like metrics are an end all be all are ridiculous. Metrics should only make up a small percentage of the entire picture when evaluating a team.

Who cares what KenPom says about Louisville or UC at this point?? We've played them twice now and beaten them once and lost once by a point. I'd say that the two teams are pretty evenly matched. I don't need to pour over a bunch of stats to tell me what my eyes have already seen.

As long as UC continues to play their tough D and Killa continues to play like a legit top 5 player in the country UC is going to be tough to beat. On nights where 2 or 3 other guys get hot along with Killa we'll be damn near impossible to beat.

 

[cincycpaw]

I'm pretty sure Mick was screaming for SK to go get the ball but UL was denying him the whole way. But still big time of Caupain to step up and take it to the rim and knock down two huge FT's.

As someone said...orginally he wanted SK to get the ball. But Mick called for the isolation for Caupain from the sideline as his #2 option.

Huge coaching decision, and huge play by the Frosh.

 

[Bearcat22]

I don't understand you metrics guys. Metrics are useful to a certain point but the people who act like metrics are an end all be all are ridiculous. Metrics should only make up a small percentage of the entire picture when evaluating a team.

Who cares what KenPom says about Louisville or UC at this point?? We've played them twice now and beaten them once and lost once by a point. I'd say that the two teams are pretty evenly matched. I don't need to pour over a bunch of stats to tell me what my eyes have already seen.

As long as UC continues to play their tough D and Killa continues to play like a legit top 5 player in the country UC is going to be tough to beat. On nights where 2 or 3 other guys get hot along with Killa we'll be damn near impossible to beat.

I really enjoy looking at the advanced metrics and stats. The tempo adjusted possessions per game, points per possessions, etc. can help with more apples to apples types of comparisons and can filter out a lot of the noise when looking at a team's performance and to some extent trying to guess at future performance. Should it be the final word on matters? I would say no. I do think it can add to the overall conversation and context for discussion.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

I don't understand you metrics guys. Metrics are useful to a certain point but the people who act like metrics are an end all be all are ridiculous. Metrics should only make up a small percentage of the entire picture when evaluating a team.

Who cares what KenPom says about Louisville or UC at this point?? We've played them twice now and beaten them once and lost once by a point. I'd say that the two teams are pretty evenly matched. I don't need to pour over a bunch of stats to tell me what my eyes have already seen.

As long as UC continues to play their tough D and Killa continues to play like a legit top 5 player in the country UC is going to be tough to beat. On nights where 2 or 3 other guys get hot along with Killa we'll be damn near impossible to beat.

Those metrics don't lie. It isn't so much as a Cincinnati vs Louisville thing, more about where they are in the scheme of college basketball. Efficiency wins out, it is the truth...

 

[TheLongHaul]

I was sitting close enough to hear Mick, at first yes he wanted SK to get the ball back but as soon as he realized that wasn't going to happen he called for the clear our for Troy, and the Frosh came through for him.

The issue on that play was if you want SK to have the ball you can't give it up. As soon as you give it up you are going to have a glove on you to deny the ball. No was was UofL letting him get the ball back in his hands once he gave it up.

As someone said...orginally he wanted SK to get the ball. But Mick called for the isolation for Caupain from the sideline as his #2 option.

Huge coaching decision, and huge play by the Frosh.

Yea, of course he told Caupain to take it once the time was running out and he knew SK wasn't going to get it. What else are you going to do? Fact is he wanted SK to get it. But either way, I agree, it was huge of Caupain. Even bigger was he didn't settle for a jump shot, he took it right to the basket. The kid is going to be really good.

Ryno, as far as giving the ball up, SK didn't have a choice, he was double teamed and trapped. It was a smart move by UL. They didn't care who had the ball as long as it wasn't SK. I thought UC should have done it to Russ Smith.