UC vs BYU

[dbieon12]

This is like trying to change the mind of a Democrat, or Republican for that matter. If you have ever coached football at a high level, which I doubt many of you have, one has to delegate responsibility to their assistants. I think many of you believe that a head college coach should be running around yelling and screaming, changing the play calls, getting red in the face (aka Butch Jones) etc.
Let me see---UC lost to undefeated Temple who beat Penn State, lost to undefeated Memphis who just beat Ole Miss, and lost to BYU (5-2) who beat Nebraska, Boise St. and lost by one point to UCLA.
UC yearns to be like WVU, Louisville, Syracuse, and Rutgers (all teams who left for Power 5 conferences)---WVU is 3-3, Louisville is 2-4, Syracuse is 3-3, and Rutgers is 3-3.
Some of you think if we could just hire Charlie Strong we would be undefeated (oh yea, Texas is 2-4) or bring back Butch Jones (well they are 3-3). Coaching is not an easy profession, to say the least!

Before the game tilted towards BYU, Mike Boone was finding space and making players miss. TT abandoned the run as soon as he felt a threat coming from the other team.

After BYU controlled all momentum, Mike Boone wasn't on the field the last two drives which were critical. Instead Tion Green was on the field and missed several blocking assignments. Green has been inconsistent all season in pass protection but was on the field in a pass heavy situation and when running was still an option. Why?

While the game was still in reach, on top of the poor decision making, TT flat out gave up with 5 minutes left. A coach gives up on his players? What players won't give up on him? What players will want to play for him? Any that we actually want?

So he barely recognizes his best players; rarely puts them in the right situation; and he signals defeat before the game is over (look at the MSUvUM game). In-game decision making is not all that coaching is, fine. But it says a lot about his ability to lead this team in the future.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

This is like trying to change the mind of a Democrat, or Republican for that matter. If you have ever coached football at a high level, which I doubt many of you have, one has to delegate responsibility to their assistants. I think many of you believe that a head college coach should be running around yelling and screaming, changing the play calls, getting red in the face (aka Butch Jones) etc.
Let me see---UC lost to undefeated Temple who beat Penn State, lost to undefeated Memphis who just beat Ole Miss, and lost to BYU (5-2) who beat Nebraska, Boise St. and lost by one point to UCLA.
UC yearns to be like WVU, Louisville, Syracuse, and Rutgers (all teams who left for Power 5 conferences)---WVU is 3-3, Louisville is 2-4, Syracuse is 3-3, and Rutgers is 3-3.
Some of you think if we could just hire Charlie Strong we would be undefeated (oh yea, Texas is 2-4) or bring back Butch Jones (well they are 3-3). Coaching is not an easy profession, to say the least!

This is one of the most undisciplined teams I've seen. Special team blunders, boneheaded penalties, poor play calling...all of which falls on the head coach.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Before the game tilted towards BYU, Mike Boone was finding space and making players miss. TT abandoned the run as soon as he felt a threat coming from the other team.

After BYU controlled all momentum, Mike Boone wasn't on the field the last two drives which were critical. Instead Tion Green was on the field and missed several blocking assignments. Green has been inconsistent all season in pass protection but was on the field in a pass heavy situation and when running was still an option. Why?

While the game was still in reach, on top of the poor decision making, TT flat out gave up with 5 minutes left. A coach gives up on his players? What players won't give up on him? What players will want to play for him? Any that we actually want?

So he barely recognizes his best players; rarely puts them in the right situation; and he signals defeat before the game is over (look at the MSUvUM game). In-game decision making is not all that coaching is, fine. But it says a lot about his ability to lead this team in the future.

This was by far the worst part. He has no fire. I remember at the beginning of the year, Gunner Kiel's one word to describe Tuberville was "chill". Chill won't work in the American Athletic Conference. I agree with whoever was talking about needing a coach who is motivated to keep moving up the ranks, like Houston and Memphis have now.

 

[Robert]

Tubs giving up on the team in the 4th quarter was flat-out disgraceful. There's not a whole lot he can do as the coach of this team to regain my respect.

 

[M64W]

Giving Up?

Tubs giving up on the team in the 4th quarter was flat-out disgraceful. There's not a whole lot he can do as the coach of this team to regain my respect.

Why are you saying Tubs gave up? How do you know this? Did he say he gave up? Do you know what he was thinking?

 

[UCalum08]

Why are you saying Tubs gave up? How do you know this? Did he say he gave up? Do you know what he was thinking?

Not going for it on 4th down, abandoning the run, not making any adjustments on offense or defense (all coaches there) etc. It was a fail on the entire coaching staff.

 

[TheLongHaul]

I have never been on the fire Tuberville bandwagon. But his misuse of Boone is horrible and he needs to take accountability for that. Green and Williams are overweight, slow, and have poor vision. Boone is a playmaker. With how vanilla the offense is Boone is the only RB who can make something with the running game.

The other thing that I can't seem to grasp is the sheer number of huge plays the defense has given up over the past few years. Not sure who's fault that is but ultimately it's on Tuberville. The defense continues to make mental mistakes resulting in busted coverage or PI calls.

 

[M64W]

Defending Tubs

There are times when I really get frustrated about football and basketball, for that matter, because I am a fan also. But I have been around for awhile, and recall how upset fans were when it was a revolving door of football coaches. More so then basketball, football needs stability in its head coach and assistants because of recruiting, offensive and defensive schemes, etc. We have a proven head coach who has been thru the battles and the wars, has made changes with his assistants to try to improve the defense, and has provided us with a winning program. I think UC fans should embrace the program and Coach T. Coach T wants to win! He wants to be loved. Again, unless you have been a head college football coach, you have no idea about the energy and hours that go into building and winning at that level. I thought unreality only existed in Columbus!

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Why are you saying Tubs gave up? How do you know this? Did he say he gave up? Do you know what he was thinking?

Dude, he punted on 4th and 9 with 3:55 left in the game down by 2 scores. That is giving up. Period. There is nothing anyone can say to defend that.

 

[Bearcatboy]

Dude, he punted on 4th and 9 with 3:55 left in the game down by 2 scores. That is giving up. Period. There is nothing anyone can say to defend that.

I would rather lose by 2 scores than 3 scores. College football is all about how big you win by or lose by.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I would rather lose by 2 scores than 3 scores. College football is all about how big you win by or lose by.

This isn't the BCS.

You try to win the game. Punting in that situation is giving up with 4 minutes left. Period.

I'm not a Greg Schiano, super-intense, bull-rush the kneel down at the end type guy. But c'mon. That was our last chance, and we elected to say "No thanks. We're good. That's game."

^What if LD had this attitude at the end of the Purdue game? "Nah, we're down by 7 with 46 (43?) seconds left, we'll just dribble this out."

 

[waterhead]

This isn't the BCS.

You try to win the game. Punting in that situation is giving up with 4 minutes left. Period.

I'm not a Greg Schiano, super-intense, bull-rush the kneel down at the end type guy. But c'mon. That was our last chance, and we elected to say "No thanks. We're good. That's game."

^What if LD had this attitude at the end of the Purdue game? "Nah, we're down by 7 with 46 (43?) seconds left, we'll just dribble this out."

I didn't get to see the game. Can someone fill me in on the circumstances? How many timeouts did we have? What yard line were we on?

Typically I would try to make something happen when I have the ball in my hands (when we need two scores) rather than hope to get it back in my hands.

I would mention...just because you punt doesn't mean you gave up on winning the game. Your decision making may be highly questionable but coaches punt all the time when I wish they would go for it. He could have been thinking make one defensive stop...score...onsides kick etc. But if he actually threw in the towel thinking they had no chance to win I would vote to can him right now!

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I didn't get to see the game. Can someone fill me in on the circumstances? How many timeouts did we have? What yard line were we on?

Typically I would try to make something happen when I have the ball in my hands (when we need two scores) rather than hope to get it back in my hands.

I would mention...just because you punt doesn't mean you gave up on winning the game. Your decision making may be highly questionable but coaches punt all the time when I wish they would go for it. He could have been thinking make one defensive stop...score...onsides kick etc. But if he actually threw in the towel thinking they had no chance to win I would vote to can him right now!

We had all 3 timeouts, but get this...WE DIDN'T USE ANY OF THEM AFTER THE PUNT! They ran running plays and ran out the clock.

 

[waterhead]

We had all 3 timeouts, but get this...WE DIDN'T USE ANY OF THEM AFTER THE PUNT! They ran running plays and ran out the clock.

Ouch!!

 

[Bearcatboy]

This isn't the BCS.

You try to win the game. Punting in that situation is giving up with 4 minutes left. Period.

I'm not a Greg Schiano, super-intense, bull-rush the kneel down at the end type guy. But c'mon. That was our last chance, and we elected to say "No thanks. We're good. That's game."

^What if LD had this attitude at the end of the Purdue game? "Nah, we're down by 7 with 46 (43?) seconds left, we'll just dribble this out."

If something hasn't worked the second half it's not going to work in the last 3 minutes. Our defense let them get 2 first down why stop the clock we can't stop them!! You want to stop the clock and let them score again, no chalk it up to getting out played and coached and move on we will see them at home next year.

 

[waterhead]

We had all 3 timeouts, but get this...WE DIDN'T USE ANY OF THEM AFTER THE PUNT! They ran running plays and ran out the clock.

Damn...that completely changes my view of TT from one of "give him a little more time" to "It's time to look in a new direction"

 

[jacobkdoyle]

If something hasn't worked the second half it's not going to work in the last 3 minutes. Our defense let them get 2 first down why stop the clock we can't stop them!! You want to stop the clock and let them score again, no chalk it up to getting out played and coached and move on we will see them at home next year.

For all we know, that 4th and 9 play could've been a Touchdown. College football is always 1 broken tackle, or 1 blown coverage away from a TD. Completely unacceptable to quit in that situation. Tuberville is cheating his players by doing that.

 

[Bearcatboy]

For all we know, that 4th and 9 play could've been a Touchdown. College football is always 1 broken tackle, or 1 blown coverage away from a TD. Completely unacceptable to quit in that situation. Tuberville is cheating his players by doing that.

I hear you I'm just saying what I think he was thinking