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JasonS said:
ready2go said "With the veterans we have the others should fall into place with an offense. Watch other games and it is night and day with their half court offenses."

That is why I brought up Kansas and UCLA. I picked those two specifically because they have recruited some of the top 25 players in the country the last few years. The point is, it is not night and day with many teams' half court offenses, especially not at this point in the season.
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I don't think he meant every single team. Again UCLA stinks and Ben Howland is likely gone after this year barring a miracle. Not to mention Howland has always been a terrible offensive coach. Kansas' offense is usually pretty good and has a proven track record....I do think most other top 25-50 teams run a better offense than UC. When UC is hitting their outside shots they are tough, but since a lot of those shots are difficult shots, it causes long droughts. With three good veteran scoring guards on this team, their offense should be pretty smooth. I'm confident it will get better but IMO the scheme will hold it back.

That being said, the one thing you can count on from Mick's team is a tough defense. It has holes now but I think by Big East play it is going to be a very tough defense to score on.

I'm still waiting on the run and gun that we continually here about. Hopefully we see it against Alabama.
 
JasonS said:
ready2go said "With the veterans we have the others should fall into place with an offense. Watch other games and it is night and day with their half court offenses."

That is why I brought up Kansas and UCLA. I picked those two specifically because they have recruited some of the top 25 players in the country the last few years. The point is, it is not night and day with many teams' half court offenses, especially not at this point in the season.
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This is the paragraph next to our ESPN power rankings....

"The Bearcats have flaws -- when the 3-point shot isn't falling, they don't have much else to fall back on -- but the overall strength of their guards, as well as their tough rebounding and defense, has them sitting at 6-0 before a home date with Alabama."

Its obvious to the rest of nation, and not to some of you on this board. Hopefully we can find a scheme that we can rely on to get high percentage shots to go along with our stifling D
 
ready2go said:
This is the paragraph next to our ESPN power rankings....

"The Bearcats have flaws -- when the 3-point shot isn't falling, they don't have much else to fall back on -- but the overall strength of their guards, as well as their tough rebounding and defense, has them sitting at 6-0 before a home date with Alabama."

Its obvious to the rest of nation, and not to some of you on this board. Hopefully we can find a scheme that we can rely on to get high percentage shots to go along with our stifling D
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Listened to a podcast on ESPN with Andy Katz and Seth Greenburg talking college hoops and the Bearcats were brought up. Andy Katz thinks they can play with anyone due to their toughness and talent. Greenburg said the Bearcats what they are. A team that rebounds, gets in your face, forces turnovers and gets offensive boards. I think that sums up this group.

There isn't any better wing rebounding team in the country than Kilpatrick and Parker. The Bearcats are what they are. Someone mentioned earlier they heard Cronin yelling "run the damn offense!" I too have seen him implore the team to do the same and heard the players say we are fine when we do what coach tells us.

Cash has to take ownership of this team on offense. It is his job to get people in positions and to set the offense. He's averaging 3.0 assists and 2.3 turnovers. He has scored but he has not been an effective point guard. It's tough for me to judge the scheme when it's not being ran consistently and our pg is not taking charge on the floor or facilitating.
 
ready2go said:
This is the paragraph next to our ESPN power rankings....

"The Bearcats have flaws -- when the 3-point shot isn't falling, they don't have much else to fall back on -- but the overall strength of their guards, as well as their tough rebounding and defense, has them sitting at 6-0 before a home date with Alabama."

Its obvious to the rest of nation, and not to some of you on this board. Hopefully we can find a scheme that we can rely on to get high percentage shots to go along with our stifling D
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Then shouldn't they have lost to Iowa St. when they shot 5-20 from 3-point range?

According to Pomeroy our adjusted offensive rating is 35th in the country, so I wouldn't exactly call that a sub-par and underachieving offense.
 
bearcat jeff said:
Listened to a podcast on ESPN with Andy Katz and Seth Greenburg talking college hoops and the Bearcats were brought up. Andy Katz thinks they can play with anyone due to their toughness and talent. Greenburg said the Bearcats what they are. A team that rebounds, gets in your face, forces turnovers and gets offensive boards. I think that sums up this group.

There isn't any better wing rebounding team in the country than Kilpatrick and Parker. The Bearcats are what they are. Someone mentioned earlier they heard Cronin yelling "run the damn offense!" I too have seen him implore the team to do the same and heard the players say we are fine when we do what coach tells us.

Cash has to take ownership of this team on offense. It is his job to get people in positions and to set the offense. He's averaging 3.0 assists and 2.3 turnovers. He has scored but he has not been an effective point guard. It's tough for me to judge the scheme when it's not being ran consistently and our pg is not taking charge on the floor or facilitating.
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I agree to an extent with what youre saying. And I def agree that the Bearcats are what they are. They rely on rebounding and tough D. Without that this team isnt ranked.

However longhaul mentioned it also, Micks tenure here we really havent seen an offensive scheme. Ill give him a pass the first few years, cuz not even Coach K could work a miracle with Adam H and the others out there. But then it was LS fault there was no flow. It was DV fault we werent scoring. I just want to see a consistent offense in the half court where we can alteast see good shots at the basket. One on one and passing outside the 3pt line isnt going to get it done.
 
Bearcat04 said:
Then shouldn't they have lost to Iowa St. when they shot 5-20 from 3-point range?

According to Pomeroy our adjusted offensive rating is 35th in the country, so I wouldn't exactly call that a sub-par and underachieving offense.
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You want to compare one game then go to the offensive ranking which is all games. And like the espn article said, when we hit 3's all is good. The 2nd half against Iowa St the 3's werent falling and we let them back in the game! But when those arent falling, we struggle in the half court set. No stats to measure that
 
ready2go said:
I agree to an extent with what youre saying. And I def agree that the Bearcats are what they are. They rely on rebounding and tough D. Without that this team isnt ranked.

However longhaul mentioned it also, Micks tenure here we really havent seen an offensive scheme. Ill give him a pass the first few years, cuz not even Coach K could work a miracle with Adam H and the others out there. But then it was LS fault there was no flow. It was DV fault we werent scoring. I just want to see a consistent offense in the half court where we can alteast see good shots at the basket. One on one and passing outside the 3pt line isnt going to get it done.
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And in that time we've had no true point guard.
 
TheLongHaul said:
I'm not sure what Kansas or UCLA have to do with UC? UCLA's coach is pretty close to getting fired.

I can't say I'm a fan of this offense as well. Offense has always been an issue under Cronin and they still have long scoring draughts that is a direct result, IMO, of the offensive scheme. Plus, at least to me, this offense just isn't fun to watch unless they are running and gunning, which they aren't. I just don't really enjoy watching a one on one offense.
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Defense wins Championships but Offense sells tickets
 
ready2go said:
You want to compare one game then go to the offensive ranking which is all games. And like the espn article said, when we hit 3's all is good. The 2nd half against Iowa St the 3's werent falling and we let them back in the game! But when those arent falling, we struggle in the half court set. No stats to measure that
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You can say that about any team though. Take away their strength and they are going to struggle. I will say there needs to be more penetration at times to get better looks and also get to the FT line more often. Overall, I don't have too much of an issue with the offense. Get scorers the ball in space and let them make a play.
 
bearcat jeff said:
I like Cash, I just thought he'd take a major step this season. I guess with no low post he has to concentrate more on scoring.
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No doubt! But when you look at the half court sets as a whole, there is no movement or passing from ANYONE. Im not saying Mick doesnt practice it or preach it, but when it becomes a TEAM issue, it falls on the HC to correct it
 
ready2go said:
No doubt! But when you look at the half court sets as a whole, there is no movement or passing from ANYONE. Im not saying Mick doesnt practice it or preach it, but when it becomes a TEAM issue, it falls on the HC to correct it
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Agree with that.
 
I'm waiting for them to start driving. I remember there being multiple turning points last year. My favorite, being the Marquette game on senior night. It seemed like that was the game where they realized they could just take it to the basket. Dixon wasn't the best shooter but his speed and athleticism, made him able to burn people. SK isn't the fastest but he's fast enough to penetrate. I think his problem may be mental. I give credit to Rubles. He can drive, though he's made some bad decisions. I think it will get better as the season wears on. I remember last year, losing to Pres, skating past Miami and a couple others and then the loss to X. We're on track already, when March rolls round, we should be damn good. This team has ridiculous potential.
 
ready2go said:
You want to compare one game then go to the offensive ranking which is all games. And like the espn article said, when we hit 3's all is good. The 2nd half against Iowa St the 3's werent falling and we let them back in the game! But when those arent falling, we struggle in the half court set. No stats to measure that
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You are completely wrong. Uc wins with defense and rebounding. Yes offensively they are good but they are undefeated because of defense and rebounding. They don't need the 3 point shot to fall to win games
 
BearcatMick said:
You are completely wrong. Uc wins with defense and rebounding. Yes offensively they are good but they are undefeated because of defense and rebounding. They don't need the 3 point shot to fall to win games
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It almost always has been the UC way, definitely the BE way.
 
JasonS said:
It is concerning that we are agreeing so frequently. One of us had to have hit their head extremely hard. It wasn't me....or at least I don't remember if it was. ;)
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I have no idea why we are agreeing but I like to think that you are coming over to the good side :)

Unfortunately the Ralph who I used to agree with frequently is becoming more and more wrong by the hour
 
BearcatMick said:
You are completely wrong. Uc wins with defense and rebounding. Yes offensively they are good but they are undefeated because of defense and rebounding. They don't need the 3 point shot to fall to win games
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I needed a good laugh before bed. You cant win 0-0. Welcome to the debate
 

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