UCF

[Fullam33]

Would be nice to get Clark, Cumberland, and Evans some rest. Coach mentioned Clark and Cumberland being a little banged up lately. And Evans has played all but 1 minute the last 2 games. I know he can easily play 40 but that doesn't mean it's ideal.

This is my biggest concern going into the game, especially heading down to Texas for SMU and Houston next week. I know we are all tired of saying this but it's important we start off hot just to give our guys some rest down the stretch. I really want see one of our bench guys get the chance to show up a be the star for the night.

 

[waterhead]

Clark has a sore ankle.

Cumberland has 2 sore ankles and a hurt wrist.

Evans has played 79 out of the last 80 minutes.

That's the reason.

I understand injury concerns as I pointed out. I was curious about performance concerns (non injury related).

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I agree. We have a huge target on our back home and away. We are undefeated in conference (and top 10 ranked) and the nation's longest home win streak.

Which team is not going to want to spoil either of those?

That is why I like having a 4 year student athletes in the program. Our guys know the drill which means Coach and team can spend more time on preparation then motivation.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I understand injury concerns as I pointed out. I was curious about performance concerns (non injury related).

I'm sure you can read plenty of NBA articles about this. I believe Curry played just 33 mpg in his first MVP season. And it goes hand in hand with injury stuff a lot of the time. He had ankle issues his whole career before that. That's sort of what Clark and Cumberland are going through. And for big guys, like Washington, it's obvious that he is better when he doesn't have to power-walk up the floor bc he's so gassed.

Not really sure what we're discussing here. We have 3 guys who need a lighter load for the time being if possible.

*I know I mentioned Evans bc of his minutes, but just using Washington as another example.

 

[waterhead]

Clark has a sore ankle.

Cumberland has 2 sore ankles and a hurt wrist.

Evans has played 79 out of the last 80 minutes.

That's the reason.

The point was brought up that SK must have hit a wall. In his last 5 games he averaged 22.2 points.

Troy last year averaged 14.5. The year before 20.6.

Evans last year 14.5.


All of those are above season averages. These are the players who played the most minutes over the course of the year. I don't see fatigue playing out here. Getting rest for guys who are injured is completely different from fatigue IMO.

 

[waterhead]

I'm sure you can read plenty of NBA articles about this. I believe Curry played just 33 mpg in his first MVP season. And it goes hand in hand with injury stuff a lot of the time. He had ankle issues his whole career before that. That's sort of what Clark and Cumberland are going through. And for big guys, like Washington, it's obvious that he is better when he doesn't have to power-walk up the floor bc he's so gassed.

Not really sure what we're discussing here. We have 3 guys who need a lighter load for the time being if possible.

*I know I mentioned Evans bc of his minutes, but just using Washington as another example.

I get sitting players who ALREADY have injury to rest them. That is a no brainer.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

The point was brought up that SK must have hit a wall. In his last 5 games he averaged 22.2 points.

Troy last year averaged 14.5. The year before 20.6.

Evans last year 14.5.


All of those are above season averages. These are the players who played the most minutes over the course of the year. I don't see fatigue playing out here. Getting rest for guys who are injured is completely different from fatigue IMO.

Why would you play Evans 40 minutes every game if you don't have to? Sure he probably could, but we are in a position where we don't have to do it. If your point is that players don't need rest, I don't know what to say. And I don't think you can just use the stats bc you have no idea how hard our guys were being pushed behind closed doors. Coach may have been giving these guys less of a workload there. He talks about it all the time, so maybe he did a good job of managing it.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I get sitting players who ALREADY have injury to rest them. That is a no brainer.

I don't get your point. If someone isn't hurt, max out their minutes every game and don't worry about it?

 

[jacobkdoyle]

The point was brought up that SK must have hit a wall. In his last 5 games he averaged 22.2 points.

Troy last year averaged 14.5. The year before 20.6.

Evans last year 14.5.


All of those are above season averages. These are the players who played the most minutes over the course of the year. I don't see fatigue playing out here. Getting rest for guys who are injured is completely different from fatigue IMO.

Wasn't Caupain's average inflated by that 37 point, 4 OT game? I don't know what you think you've discovered here, but if our coach, who spends hours a day with these guys and has been around D1 players for 2 decades says you need to make sure guys are fresh and rested, I'll side with him. This is one of those things that shouldn't even be debated. So I'm going to check out now.

 

[waterhead]

I'm sure you can read plenty of NBA articles about this. I believe Curry played just 33 mpg in his first MVP season. And it goes hand in hand with injury stuff a lot of the time. He had ankle issues his whole career before that. That's sort of what Clark and Cumberland are going through. And for big guys, like Washington, it's obvious that he is better when he doesn't have to power-walk up the floor bc he's so gassed.

Not really sure what we're discussing here. We have 3 guys who need a lighter load for the time being if possible.

*I know I mentioned Evans bc of his minutes, but just using Washington as another example.

It stands to reason a guy playing 40 minutes will have 2 x the possibility to get injured than a guy playing 20 minutes (in game at least). We need to keep any studs out when game is in hand for sure...I will never disagree with that.

Outside of that...I don't see a production issue that we can easily point to for fatigue hurting stats. In fact the players who have gotten the most mpg over the years seem to be getting BETTER late in season as opposed to worse.

 

[waterhead]

I don't get your point. If someone isn't hurt, max out their minutes every game and don't worry about it?

No. I am just not as concerned about it as some seem to be. The fatigue factor that is. These kids are fine.

 

[waterhead]

Why would you play Evans 40 minutes every game if you don't have to? Sure he probably could, but we are in a position where we don't have to do it. If your point is that players don't need rest, I don't know what to say. And I don't think you can just use the stats bc you have no idea how hard our guys were being pushed behind closed doors. Coach may have been giving these guys less of a workload there. He talks about it all the time, so maybe he did a good job of managing it.

I don't want to. If the game is in hand why would we? I just don't think we have to sit them in a close game so we make sure they are rested for the stretch is all I am saying.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

It stands to reason a guy playing 40 minutes will have 2 x the possibility to get injured than a guy playing 20 minutes (in game at least). We need to keep any studs out when game is in hand for sure...I will never disagree with that.

Outside of that...I don't see a production issue that we can easily point to for fatigue hurting stats. In fact the players who have gotten the most mpg over the years seem to be getting BETTER late in season as opposed to worse.

Could it be that they are in big games and are playing the most then? What are the per 40 stats? What are the usage stats? What are the shooting %s? How was Coach managing them leading up to those games compared to earlier in the year?

 

[jacobkdoyle]

No. I am just not as concerned about it as some seem to be. The fatigue factor that is. These kids are fine.

It's just a matter of being smart.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I don't want to. If the game is in hand why would we? I just don't think we have to sit them in a close game so we make sure they are rested for the stretch is all I am saying.

So basically this convo is just establishing the obvious lol.

 

[waterhead]

Why would you play Evans 40 minutes every game if you don't have to? Sure he probably could, but we are in a position where we don't have to do it. If your point is that players don't need rest, I don't know what to say. And I don't think you can just use the stats bc you have no idea how hard our guys were being pushed behind closed doors. Coach may have been giving these guys less of a workload there. He talks about it all the time, so maybe he did a good job of managing it.

The whole premise of the argument was based on getting some guys rest so they can be fresh for the closing stretch. I haven't seen any correlating information about this. The studs in March are usually the studs in December...and increasingly so in March.

I don't recommend playing our studs when we are up 20 with 10 to go. Get them out. For injury concerns...not fatigues concerns.

 

[waterhead]

So basically this convo is just establishing the obvious lol.

No...nice try though. The whole conversation started because someone said we need to get players a certain amount of rest EVEN in close games. For instance they said set a max for Evans around 36 minutes. I disagree.

 

[waterhead]

Agreed. I don't want this all catching up with them like it did SK. We need some rest. Keith is capable of coming in for Jake even in bigger games I think it's important to keep Jake no more than 36 MPG against higher quality opponents and 30 MPG lesser quality like UCF.

We will have no problem with this team. This is basically just an average normal team without Tacko. The reason I feel we have struggled in the past and lost to them is because Tacko just the way he effects the game.

I think it will be UC - 15, but we win by 20+

This is what I originally responded to.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

No...nice try though. The whole conversation started because someone said we need to get players a certain amount of rest EVEN in close games. For instance they said set a max for Evans around 36 minutes. I disagree.

Evans has shown he'll play 40 minutes in big games. That obviously won't stop no matter what anyone on this board thinks/hopes/says.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

The whole premise of the argument was based on getting some guys rest so they can be fresh for the closing stretch. I haven't seen any correlating information about this. The studs in March are usually the studs in December...and increasingly so in March.

I don't recommend playing our studs when we are up 20 with 10 to go. Get them out. For injury concerns...not fatigues concerns.

Go do some more in-depth research then. Seems outrageous to me to claim that fatigue wouldn't influence performance. 3 random 5 game examples of 1 stat doesn't do it for me.