ill take you at your word. But when you start throwing things around like Mick is unfair and playing mind games your going to get a backlash. Your reasoning is faulty and your comment irresponsible. You may differ in his method but he is not playing mind games.If you guys are reading anything I've said as though it was said like something LT would say then you're going way too far in how you interpret things.
but thats a you problem. thats not a board problem.
one thing you may want to consider about Kyle.gotta say its the first time i've ever been called a mick basher. those guys used to make fun of me because i was one of cronins strongest defenders on this very site.
I'm for that. We had a big win Saturday and the team really looks to be getting better. If you look at the post you would have thought we lost and our coach is dumber then a rock for the way he utilizes his players.I'm surprised to see this thread turning into this. Let's just pump the brakes.
what upsets Mick with Kyle is mostly his defense. Being out of position or creating bad fouls. He does force his shot at times which leads to turn overs but I really believe it's his defense that gets him in trouble. What you have to understand is coaches have game preparation prior to games. If they set up their game plan and coach it over and over again and in the game the player has not done as instructed that is going to get him pulled. I feel that is what happens to Kyle. He really free lances a lot defensively which drives Mick crazy.
As for Broome it's a matter of his versatility. With Cumberland struggling at times and until recently none of our young wings have really demonstrated a ability to play quality minutes ( Williams may be changing that perception) he likes having Broome ability to play both PG and wing and use him at either in the flow of the game. Plus while we are not walking the ball up the floor we are not turning and burning with every possession. Broome is adjusting to the style and competition. He is doing very well.
My issue with him is he makes it sound like a conspiracy. We are playing well and it's a tribute to both coach and player. We are rounding into a very good team who can do some damage at the end of the year. Coach is not playing mind games. He is motivating. And guess what it is working.
Washington has shot us out of as many games as he won for us. And ignoring Jenifer and Brooks, with Washington's tunnel vision taking him out may be the smart play just because it means someone else is likely to shoot on the next possession. When Washington is on, he is great. When he is off, god is he bad and those are the games when Brooks becomes the better option.
In our losses since Washington has been here:
Florida: 4-8
Xavier: 0-4
UCLA: 2-10
SMU: 5-7
UCF: 3-11
SMU: 4-11
Butler: 2-8 (and he was particularly terrible this game)
URI: 8-15
He is completely one dimensional and kills the offense when his shot isn't falling. I don't want to turn this into a Washington thread because we need him to make any noise in the tournament, but if you can't see how he kills the team in some games I don't know what else to say.
This is a joke dude, first off 3 of the 8 he shot at least 50%, 2 of the other games were just kind of bad, and the other 3 were bad. Not really see how we were so dependent on him. We are deep enoug anyone could pick up the slack. What were our team percentages in those games, you can't just cherry pick to make your point, you need context. And I'm the first to agree Washington can struggle and even when his shot is off he still isn't afraid to put it up, that can be a bad and a good thing. But in no way, not even a little, would I ever call this team dependent on just his performance.
do you really think thats whats being said here?
you wonder out loud why mick has been all over kyle for every mistake this year (and wasn't last year) and this is the response from people? i just dont even understand.
I think we agree with each other. My post was in response to someone saying Mick is picking on him and playing mind games. You will see in my other posts in this thread that part of what I was getting at is he is a very one dimensional player. If he isn't scoring he isn't doing much of anything.
I think of all the guys on the team Washington needs the most "mental" coaching and typically responds very well to it. But what I was getting at is on the games where Washington is playing poorly, he doesn't stop jacking up his shot which can kill us. I'd rather have Brooks in knowing he is only supposed to play defense and dunk with Evans/Broome/Cumberland/Gary taking possessions than Washington jacking up 25 footers. In the games Washington has lost, he has 0 assists. That was my point.
I think we agree with each other. My post was in response to someone saying Mick is picking on him and playing mind games. You will see in my other posts in this thread that part of what I was getting at is he is a very one dimensional player. If he isn't scoring he isn't doing much of anything.
I think of all the guys on the team Washington needs the most "mental" coaching and typically responds very well to it. But what I was getting at is on the games where Washington is playing poorly, he doesn't stop jacking up his shot which can kill us. I'd rather have Brooks in knowing he is only supposed to play defense and dunk with Evans/Broome/Cumberland/Gary taking possessions than Washington jacking up 25 footers. In the games Washington has lost, he has 0 assists. That was my point.
Well I would be much more concerned with the assists than I would be his shooting percentage. I really wouldn't consider him one dimensional either. Is the best part of his game his offense, of course. But he is still a competent defender, he had a couple nice blocks and a few steals against UCLA. just because he isn't Gary Clark doesn't mean he is a pushover. Yeah he doesn't get a ton of assists, or really very many at all, and he will continue to shoot whether he is off or not, but most players have some issues and his good far outweighs the bad.
And I think one of the points cin Ruiz was trying to make was that Washington does make a decent amount of mistakes but he is often times punished for them early, and I have noticed the same with broome. I'd be interested to hear an out right denial of that. (I think it's been that way since day 1 with Washington too). Evans, Clark, even Cumberland to an extant are giving much more leniency on mistakes they make, even Williams I've noticed so far. He hasn't made really any 3s all year, yet he shoots one every game, I don't see him immediately getting yanked.
This doesn't mean I think coach has it out for them, because I don't, but I do think he is doing it on purpose and he has a reason behind it. I think it's working pretty well for broome and I think Cronin will continue to see that and his minutes will go up as the year goes on. The problem with Washington is he is very streaky and very confidence driven. And sometimes I think getting pulled early can really get into his head and effect the rest of the game. So maybe instead of just looking at his bad games, look at them more in depth, is he making an early mistake, is he getting sat early, I just don't think it's as black and white as everyone is trying to make it. You all have some really good points, and I think are all really mostly right just not seeing eye to eye and a lot of misinterpretations. But in the end we are all fans, shouldn't be anyone questioning anyone else loyalty or support, if we didn't care we wouldn't be on here defending our points. Here's to the next two months undefeated, GO CATS!
You don’t think Kyle is a one dimensional player? Lol
A couple of things I'll throw out there for the group.
I went back and looked at the box score for our last 4 games which were the meat of our OOC schedule.
In those four games Broome was on the floor more then JJ in the losses and it was about 50/50 in the wins.
A lot can be made from this and I believe it opens a window to how Mick is trying to use each PG.
1st I think he is using each for different reasons. JJ is more deliberate and is better protecting the ball and Cane is more up and down and offers a spark offensively and change of pace even when playing at times with some second unit players.
He also uses Cane to back up the wings until a freshman develops.
When we play well he isn't forced to push the pace and force some things which means he is good with JJ on the floor. When he is behind and needs a spark to punch tempo he uses Cane.
Just some thoughts. What do you guys think.
I just did a breakdown of the season on another thread. I added up points and gave 2 points for an assist. I gave 1 for rebounds, steals, and blocks and I subtracted a point for each turnover. In the last 4 games here is how it looks for Broome and Jenifer.
Broome 73
Jenifer 33
A 40 point differential. That is 10 per game.
In our two losses
Broome 46
Jenifer 13
That is a 33 point differential. 16.5 per game
It would take a lot for someone to convince me (even if it's Cronin) that Broome could be enough of a liability on D or that our offense doesn't work as well with Broome in the game to account for 16.5 points. In fact I could easily be convinced that Cane is just as good on defense (if not better) because of the size disadvantage with Jenifer. So the 16.5 ppg would have to come from an offense that works better with Jenifer in as opposed to Broome. And if we assume they each play 20 minutes...we are talking about a 33 point differential per game if either played all 40 minutes in this scenario.
I just did a breakdown of the season on another thread. I added up points and gave 2 points for an assist. I gave 1 for rebounds, steals, and blocks and I subtracted a point for each turnover. In the last 4 games here is how it looks for Broome and Jenifer.
Broome 73
Jenifer 33
A 40 point differential. That is 10 per game.