UCLA

[WAITE HOYT 2]

So your saying playing Washington in the Xavier game would have won us the game? Because thats the only game where we limited him and we lost..

And Im a huge fan of Kyle, but he was garbage against Xavier and Im pretty sure he'd admit that. You can't let him play through getting destroyed in the post. He was soft and Cronin doesn't tolerate soft from that position.




Also; I'm pretty damn sure that Cronin yanking Kyle in the Xavier game was NOT a mismanagement of him as HE RESPONDED WITH 2 great games!!!! If anything Cronin handled Washington in an elite way that got him going.


I mean, your narrative would make sense if Cronin yanks KW early and then is mentally in the dumps for the next 3 games and we lose. Then I'd agree. But that wasn't the case. He seems to know that benching KW is the best way to get a positive response from him

Kanter killed us inside against X. He outscored both Kyle and Gary combined.

 

[cincrulz11]

In our losses since Washington has been here:

Florida: 4-8
Xavier: 0-4
UCLA: 2-10
SMU: 5-7
UCF: 3-11
SMU: 4-11
Butler: 2-8 (and he was particularly terrible this game)
URI: 8-15

He is completely one dimensional and kills the offense when his shot isn't falling. I don't want to turn this into a Washington thread because we need him to make any noise in the tournament, but if you can't see how he kills the team in some games I don't know what else to say.

can i play too? gary in the same games


Florida: 4-8
Xavier: 5-15
UCLA: 4-7
SMU: 3-8
UCF: 1-4
SMU: 2-7
Butler: 7-13
URI: 1-5


thats 37.8% shooting for kyle and 40.2 % shooting from gary. both very bad.

they both have seemed to struggle in the same games. its almost like forcing it to them both in these big games against teams dead set to stop them makes it harder on both players.



i've never once said kyle is some amazing all american. but he is far and away our best 5, its not up for debate.

 

[skylinecat]

That's college basketball. These guys aren't pro players (yet). If all of our players could be great every game, they would be playing in the NBA right now.

I know what you're saying. I just don't think it's that uncommon for players to be frustrating at times.

Washington is 39-8 here (41-8 after this week). Not bad.

I agree and I actually like Washington, but without strict coaching and the occasional benching, I think he'd be bombing 25 footers every time he touches the ball. The dude just DOES NOT PASS and so if he isn't scoring and isn't playing defense there is no reason for him to be on the court. Its a mentality that has been missing from most of our guys. I haven't read Bill Simmons since he left ESPN, but he always used to talk about how every team needs an "unreasonable and unjustified confidence guy" that just knew he was the best player on the court even if he was playing against MJ and Larry Bird. Washington is that guy and I think he gives us a bit of an edge that guys like Gary and Evans don't bring. But sometimes he needs to be reigned in.

 

[cincrulz11]

I mean, your narrative would make sense if Cronin yanks KW early and then is mentally in the dumps for the next 3 games and we lose. Then I'd agree. But that wasn't the case. He seems to know that benching KW is the best way to get a positive response from him

interesting. go check out the alabama state game and then the 2 games that followed. which is exactly what i referenced in the beginning.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

can i play too? gary in the same games


Florida: 4-8
Xavier: 5-15
UCLA: 4-7
SMU: 3-8
UCF: 1-4
SMU: 2-7
Butler: 7-13
URI: 1-5


thats 37.8% shooting for kyle and 40.2 % shooting from gary. both very bad.

they both have seemed to struggle in the same games. its almost like forcing it to them both in these big games against teams dead set to stop them makes it harder on both players.



i've never once said kyle is some amazing all american. but he is far and away our best 5, its not up for debate.

Kyle isn't nearly the defender Gary is and never will be. Gary can have a off night offensively and still help you win a game. He D's and boards every night.

 

[cincrulz11]

Kyle isn't nearly the defender Gary is and never will be. Gary can have a off night offensively and still help you win a game. He D's and boards every night.

almost nobody is gary.


but washington did have a higher defensive rebound % last year than gary did. this year the 2 numbers have basically flipped. kyle also had great offensive rebouding stats last year but not yet this year (and still not as good as gary was last year, but gary is just special)

 

[justinhub2003]

interesting. go check out the alabama state game and then the 2 games that followed. which is exactly what i referenced in the beginning.

WHAT??? Kyle wasn't yanked for terrible performance against BAMA State.

He had an offensive rating of 167 that game and had 8 points and 5 rebounds in 13 minutes.

Im 90% sure they sat him to rest him for Xavier and play the younger guys. I mean Gary CLark only played 23 and jacob 19 min.

Do you want to play Kyle 25 minutes against Bama State??

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

almost nobody is gary.


but washington did have a higher defensive rebound % last year than gary did. this year the 2 numbers have basically flipped. kyle also had great offensive rebouding stats last year but not yet this year (and still not as good as gary was last year, but gary is just special)

He is a beast. In my mind our most important player. Very easy to root for as our all of our kids.

If he was a touch more athletic he would be a first rounder.

 

[cincrulz11]

WHAT??? Kyle wasn't yanked for terrible performance against BAMA State.

He had an offensive rating of 167 that game and had 8 points and 5 rebounds in 13 minutes.

Im 90% sure they sat him to rest him for Xavier and play the younger guys. I mean Gary CLark only played 23 and jacob 19 min.

Do you want to play Kyle 25 minutes against Bama State??

actually this is precisely my point. he did something that made mick mad and got yanked. nobody else got benched like that in that game. he was having a wonderful game. i wondered about it at the time it happened. i thought it was weird at the time.


from that game thread

you gotta wonder what on earth broome has done to mick. why on earth did he get benched in that one.

I was wondering that too. Seems like it would've been a good game for him to get some major run.

kyle too. the same ones he takes in and out of the starting lineup.

 

[skylinecat]

can i play too? gary in the same games


Florida: 4-8
Xavier: 5-15
UCLA: 4-7
SMU: 3-8
UCF: 1-4
SMU: 2-7
Butler: 7-13
URI: 1-5


thats 37.8% shooting for kyle and 40.2 % shooting from gary. both very bad.

they both have seemed to struggle in the same games. its almost like forcing it to them both in these big games against teams dead set to stop them makes it harder on both players.



i've never once said kyle is some amazing all american. but he is far and away our best 5, its not up for debate.

Sure you can. In those same games:

Rebounds/Assists:

Washington:
Xavier: 2/0
Florida: 4/0
URI: 10/0
SMU: 6/0
UCF: 9/0
SMU 5/0
UCLA: 6/0

Gary:
Xavier: 7/1
Florida: 13/1
URI: 6/2
Butler: 12/1
SMU: 12/3
UCF: 3/0
SMU: 9/1
UCLA: 8/6

I don't have beef with Kyle. He is clearly a superior offensive player than Brooks, but he really doesn't add anything else to the table if he isn't scoring. Like I said in my other post, its not like Brooks has to take Washington's shots. We have other kids that can score. Washington literally doesn't have an assist in any of the losses. That is pathetic.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

actually this is precisely my point. he did something that made mick mad and got yanked. nobody else got benched like that in that game. he was having a wonderful game. i wondered about it at the time it happened. i thought it was weird at the time.


from that game thread

that game was played by the subs. everyone was limited. This is nothing but reaching. If he would have been injured in a blowout against them you would have been all over coach for playing him.

Oh and by the way Brooks who backs up Washington had his best game against Alabama st.

 

[waterhead]

I don't think there is a fan on this board who doesn't know of Kyle's defensive liability as well as his sometimes poor shot selection as well as his inability to pass the ball when he should.

If you think Cronin is playing favorites with Clark and giving Kyle a hard time on purpose...you are just stubborn as shit and probably a hypocrite at the same time.

Clark fills out every part of a stat sheet that you can. Kyle is a very good player and I love him...but can we just stop the Kyle doesn't get the same treatment bullshit please?

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I don't think there is a fan on this board who doesn't know of Kyle's defensive liability as well as his sometimes poor shot selection as well as his inability to pass the ball when he should.

If you think Cronin is playing favorites with Clark and giving Kyle a hard time on purpose...you are just stubborn as shit and probably a hypocrite at the same time.

Clark fills out every part of a stat sheet that you can. Kyle is a very good player and I love him...but can we just stop the Kyle doesn't get the same treatment bullshit please?

Thank you!!!!

 

[cincrulz11]

I don't think there is a fan on this board who doesn't know of Kyle's defensive liability as well as his sometimes poor shot selection as well as his inability to pass the ball when he should.

If you think Cronin is playing favorites with Clark and giving Kyle a hard time on purpose...you are just stubborn as shit and probably a hypocrite at the same time.

Clark fills out every part of a stat sheet that you can. Kyle is a very good player and I love him...but can we just stop the Kyle doesn't get the same treatment bullshit please?

do you really think thats whats being said here?


you wonder out loud why mick has been all over kyle for every mistake this year (and wasn't last year) and this is the response from people? i just dont even understand.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Was anyone else impressed with Williams in the UCLA game? Both him and Scott played well against UCLA but both had moments. Love the roles they are filling.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

do you really think thats whats being said here?


you wonder out loud why mick has been all over kyle for every mistake this year (and wasn't last year) and this is the response from people? i just dont even understand.

He was on him last year as well. You brought this on with you comment about Mick being unfair to him. Playing mind games. Then you went on and on trying to defend it. What is your agenda?

 

[cincrulz11]

He was on him last year as well. You brought this on with you comment about Mick being unfair to him. Playing mind games. Then you went on and on trying to defend it. What is your agenda?

first mick was not like this with him, check the minutes log.


what is my agenda? my agenda is i want to see the team win. this is the best team mick has ever had. its got 5 really good players. we rarely let them play together. we finally got to see extended minutes of them together against UCLA and they looked amazing. those 5 need to play 30+ minutes a piece.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Guys this is to good of a site to head down the road like some other sites have as a way to discredit the coach. If you want to debate his decisions or his recruiting I'm fine with that but when you come on here and imply he is unfair to his players and is playing mind games then that is a problem. He is not punishing Broome or Washington. He is coaching. You may not agree and that is fine but he is not playing mind games or deliberately trying to ruin the player. Mick more then most coaches follows the ideology of these kids being student athletes. It's why I enjoy him as a coach. To imply otherwise is wrong and irresponsible. It also ruins the experience many come on here to enjoy.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

first mick was not like this with him, check the minutes log.


what is my agenda? my agenda is i want to see the team win. this is the best team mick has ever had. its got 5 really good players. we rarely let them play together. we finally got to see extended minutes of them together against UCLA and they looked amazing. those 5 need to play 30+ minutes a piece.

cheer for the Cats brother. Mick has a handle on who should play and who shouldn't. And yes Mick was tough on him last year.

 

[cincrulz11]

If you guys are reading anything I've said as though it was said like something LT would say then you're going way too far in how you interpret things.



but thats a you problem. thats not a board problem.