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[cincrulz11]

It made me laugh but the other day I said I wanted to start games with ball screens for Broome...well Jenifer started and we actually did that early and Jenifer got to the hoop...but it got swatted. Something tells me Broome would've finished.

yeah a wide open lane to the rim but he doesn't have the quickness to get there. an easy swat for the defense.



and that is the same as a turnover, but it doesn't go down as a turnover.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

I can give you one clear cut reason to start the better player. We have seen this discussion with Cumberland and KJ as well as Cobb and KJ.

If you keep your better player on the bench for the 1st 5 minutes of each half...the total amount of minutes he can even achieve is 30. You can't put him in for 35 minutes even if you wanted to at that point. I would MUCH rather have the option of getting my better player a chance at all 40 minutes (if they are just tearing it up) than I would the lesser player. It's not like we haven't seen guys like Caupain or Evans getting to 40 minutes before.

You can always pull him if he's making a mess of things...but you can't get back the first 5 minutes of each half you gave to your 2nd best option.

This is the exact reason why Mick also refuses to get a grad transfer. He doesn't want to start a first year player over someone who has put 3 years into the program.

 

[waterhead]

mick has made it harder on clark. he's forcing it to him when he tells teams he's gonna force it to him and teams are more than prepared for it.


its not always the easiest to even pass it out when as soon as you catch it 2 guys are instantly on you. thats why he's had 8 turnovers the past 3 games after 4 in the previous 7 games.

Agreed...we have 5 guys who can score. Let's use them all so each one can be more efficient. Our coach should not be advertising our plan to force feed a particular player. Hell...I like trying to get the ball to Gary every legitimate chance we get...but forcing things is not a good idea when you have other quality options.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I think the other big thing here is that Cronin can get Jenifer plenty of minutes if he wants to even if doesn't start at PG. He's going to get the backup PG minutes but you can also give him back up wing minutes by moving Cane over. We have already seen Jenifer and Broome on the court together in place of Moore or Williams. You can still get him in the game for 20 minutes even if Cane gets 30...if you choose.

That is his plan. The only difference he starts JJ.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

mick has made it harder on clark. he's forcing it to him when he tells teams he's gonna force it to him and teams are more than prepared for it.


its not always the easiest to even pass it out when as soon as you catch it 2 guys are instantly on you. thats why he's had 8 turnovers the past 3 games after 4 in the previous 7 games.

He really doesn't have much choice. Washington is terrible passing out of the post. If your going to play inside out I would rather roll the nice that something good will happen with Clark then Washington.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Agreed...we have 5 guys who can score. Let's use them all so each one can be more efficient. Our coach should not be advertising our plan to force feed a particular player. Hell...I like trying to get the ball to Gary every legitimate chance we get...but forcing things is not a good idea when you have other quality options.

Trouble is our other options have been less then efficient since the competition has improved.

The reality is that only one player on our team has the ability to break his man down off the dribble. Broome. We are using him at two spots. PG and Wing. if Cumberland finds himself and Evans keeps improving things may change but right now we are struggling when ever teams double the post.

 

[cincrulz11]

Trouble is our other options have been less then efficient since the competition has improved.

The reality is that only one player on our team has the ability to break his man down off the dribble. Broome. We are using him at two spots. PG and Wing. if Cumberland finds himself and Evans keeps improving things may change but right now we are struggling when ever teams double the post.

part of it is a spacing issue. we are poorly spaced which allows the double to come extremely quick and then the passing out of the double becomes even more difficult.


the 2 bigs on the block style of playing is really going away. teams are pretty good at defending it.

 

[waterhead]

I forget if someone answered this already. Trevor has the 2nd lowest TO's per 40 minutes on the team. He's knocking down 38% of his 3's and 66% of his 2's. He seems to be decent on D and he's 2nd to Cane in steals per 40 minutes. He seems to be rebounding pretty well and is at least over 70% in FT's. Why has he gone from playing to not playing? He had zero TO's against X and Miss St and didn't play against FLA. He has played 3 minutes in the last two games.

Is he in the dog house?

 

[cincrulz11]

I forget if someone answered this already. Trevor has the 2nd lowest TO's per 40 minutes on the team. He's knocking down 38% of his 3's and 66% of his 2's. He seems to be decent on D and he's 2nd to Cane in steals per 40 minutes. He seems to be rebounding pretty well and is at least over 70% in FT's. Why has he gone from playing to not playing? He had zero TO's against X and Miss St and didn't play against FLA. He has played 3 minutes in the last two games.

Is he in the dog house?

dont think he's in the dog house, i think its an athletic ability issue.

 

[waterhead]

part of it is a spacing issue. we are poorly spaced which allows the double to come extremely quick and then the passing out of the double becomes even more difficult.


the 2 bigs on the block style of playing is really going away. teams have become pretty good at defending it.

Yah...we don't catch it on the block very often. We are starting from 10 feet out too often. If we caught it on the block it would be much harder to double. Our bigs need to work for position a little harder. And if they do we need wings who can get them the ball on time.

 

[waterhead]

dont think he's in the dog house, i think its an athletic ability issue.

His only job on offense is to spot up. Has he been getting badly burned on D? I just haven't watched him close enough on D. All his other stats are just fine.

 

[cincrulz11]

His only job on offense is to spot up. Has he been getting badly burned on D? I just haven't watched him close enough on D. All his other stats are just fine.

i think mick is worried he would get burnt on the defensive end so he hasn't played.


he was getting the minutes over williams vs the less athletic teams. then vs msu williams got them.

 

[waterhead]

This is the exact reason why Mick also refuses to get a grad transfer. He doesn't want to start a first year player over someone who has put 3 years into the program.

Yah...I get the loyalty thing. But Cane has been here only 1 less year than JJ and he's been in college BB one more year. The year he sat out should not only count...but maybe even moreso because had to sit there on the bench for an entire year knowing he can't play.

 

[waterhead]

i think mick is worried he would get burnt on the defensive end so he hasn't played.


he was getting the minutes over williams vs the less athletic teams. then vs msu williams got them.

yah...well that is what I was afraid of. But I think we need to at least try to see if Trevor gets burned first before we just assume he will? All I know right now so far is that Keith will turn it over as much as anyone. Where does that fall into play?

Trevor must have missed some big assignments on D otherwise it's not making sense to me because of the turnover issue.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

yah...well that is what I was afraid of. But I think we need to at least try to see if Trevor gets burned first before we just assume he will? All I know right now so far is that Keith will turn it over as much as anyone. Where does that fall into play?

Trevor must have missed some big assignments on D otherwise it's not making sense to me because of the turnover issue.

Really don't think its a loyalty issue. he is using Cane to support two roles PG and Wing. JJ is a PG only.

I think Moore was exposed a bit in the X game. Really has not hit a shot since I believe.0-3 in X game. Hasn't played much since. Williams needs work on his outside game. Freshman always struggle defensively in our system.

 

[cincrulz11]

yah...well that is what I was afraid of. But I think we need to at least try to see if Trevor gets burned first before we just assume he will? All I know right now so far is that Keith will turn it over as much as anyone. Where does that fall into play?

Trevor must have missed some big assignments on D otherwise it's not making sense to me because of the turnover issue.

mick sees him in practice, he knows if he can stay in front of quicker guys or not. you dont need a real game to see that.

 

[MacBearcat]

We need this win.

Lunardi puts us as a 7 seed right now.

Another win this week puts us back in the top 20 and back in good position for better seeding.


SOS will probably jump up to 250 after the UCLA.

I could see us getting up to anywhere between a 4-6 seed once it's all said and done. Possibly as high as 3 if we were to sweep the WSU series. Both of those games should really bump up our SOS as well.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

mick sees him in practice, he knows if he can stay in front of quicker guys or not. you dont need a real game to see that.

Bingo!!!!!!!!!! I have always wondered why people who only watch the games,do know film study and are never at practice always make assumptions concerning why this guy didn't play or that guy didn't play. I mean I know its fun to inject opinions and all but really.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

part of it is a spacing issue. we are poorly spaced which allows the double to come extremely quick and then the passing out of the double becomes even more difficult.


the 2 bigs on the block style of playing is really going away. teams are pretty good at defending it.

Need to hit some from the arc to improve the spacing. Even that though Washington is terrible passing out of the double team. He really forces a bunch of shots.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

This is the exact reason why Mick also refuses to get a grad transfer. He doesn't want to start a first year player over someone who has put 3 years into the program.

Patrick with us not being a one and done school. It seems the focus of our recruiting is getting the 4 year developing player. Recently we are getting more polished players but if we start getting one year grad transfer and playing them over our developing 4 year guys do you think it could impact our recruiting?