Was Mick Cronin REALLY an Underachiever in March?

[cincrulz11]

Yeah I'd skip the questions I asked you too.

 

[cincrulz11]

How is he going to spin this? Or will he start kicking and screaming? He may also ignore this? Let’s see

ignore and shift goalposts was the correct answer.

 

[Chance2017]

3 times in 9 years.

Harvard
Iowa last year
Nevada

Everything other than that went as expected

Mick underachieved 3/9 times
Overachieved 1/9 times
Performed to expectation 5/9 times

Not great but not dreadful. The only thing is, the Nevada meltdown is indefensible. And that will taint his legacy for me.

 

[Bcatfollower]

I mean we have no idea what kinda long term recruiter John Brannen is going to be.

His first big swing and miss was on a publicized courting of Pettway from Alabama.

That would have gotten me excited to land him. But right now, Brannen has a very mid major staff and its not like were lighting the roof on fire with recruiting.


In 2 classes we still have just 1 top 100 player

Tari Eason fell out of the top 100 in both the composite and the 247 rankings. Why he went from solidly in the top 100 to out of it, I have no idea.


I don't think you can look at CJB's recruiting and think its been amazing or anything.

Brannen has two of the top 15 all time recruits, by 247, in his short tenure here.

 

[cincrulz11]

Mick underachieved 3/9 times
Overachieved 1/9 times
Performed to expectation 5/9 times

Not great but not dreadful. The only thing is, the Nevada meltdown is indefensible. And that will taint his legacy for me.

also lets be clear, when performing to expectation in the tournament, those expectations were 6-10 seed where to perform to expectations you either could just lose the first game, or lose the 2nd game.


Losing to Saint Josephs and Creighton in the first round was meeting expectations.

 

[justinhub2003]

yeah you have to. because his teams have had talented players on them at key positions.

ill start with the past, you tell me the future.

Caupain
Cobb
Ellis
Clark
Washington
Evans
Jenifer
Broome
Cumberland


Every single one of them was productive from day one (Ellis after returning). Now give me who we have for next year and the year after. Keith could go on that list. Now give me anybody else. Cumberland is the tail end of that core. Nothing came behind it.

Moore, Nsoseme, Fredericks were all whiffs. LJ looks like a whiff. Hardnett we can give a maybe at best. theres nobody else.

Curtis
Keith
Moore
Diarra
?????

thats the lineup next year? let me know who im missing.

LOL You cannot say LJ, Hardnet, Fredericks, NSoseme were all whiffs because Mick knew his system. What worked for him didn't always work for other Schoo

He made a living taking guys that other larger schools passed on.

LSU overlooked Evans, he was good, but NO ONE EXPECTED Him to get drafted in year 3.

Caupain was not highly recruited at ALL

JUSTIN JENIFER??? you really included him on this list? he wasn't productive from day one. He was a WHIFF and then he DEVELOPED.

Trevor Moore is the only true Whiff I see and he was billed to be an elite shooter by guys like Chad Brendel.

Thing is Trevor outplayed Keith Williams his first year. He tried hard but was just over his head.


All the Carolina schools passed on Gary Clark


Octavios Ellis was a project that developed into a good player. He wasn't highly sought after.


Of this list how many of these guys were 4 stars?
Caupain. 3 star #212
Cobb 2 star unranked out of high school
Ellis 3 star Ranked 211
Clark 4 star ranked 90
Washington Transfer.. But was a 4 star, though a dud for NC State
Evans 4 star 130
Jenifer 3 star 153
Broome 2 Star unranked out of high school, played for frickin sacred heart
Cumberland 4 star 56




LOL The 6th highest ranked recruited that UC has had in the 247 era is playing for John Brannen right now.


Players developed at UC.



You're Making it seem like Mick Cronin was a recruiting GOD and then all the sudden was a turd on the recruiting trail.

He has NEVER been great at reeling in top level talent. But he has been great at identifying under the radar guys and making them better.


Just so happens that Tre Scott is one of those guys. So was Justin Jenifer.

 

[justinhub2003]

I'll certainly take Mick Cronin's last 9 years of tourney success over the last 9 years of Huggins.


In fact, I think the big reason people were frustrated with Mick, was because it was a continuation of Huggins failures in the latter part of his time at UC.

Huggs just happened to buy himself a lot of Capital with success he had in his first 5-6 years.


Huggins was getting top 4 seeds and still had just 1 sweet 16 in his last 9 years.


He was upset 7 TIMES in his last 9 years.


Maybe UC basketball is cursed. 18 tourney's between 2 coaches and just 2 sweet 16's. 10 times being upset by lowered seeded teams.

 

[sedziobs]

What worked for him didn't always work for other Schoo

I had to read the rest of the post in an Eric Cartman voice.

 

[justinhub2003]

Brannen has two of the top 15 all time recruits, by 247, in his short tenure here.

ZACH Harvey was a recruiting exception. NOT THE RULE.

I'm not touting that Mick recruited lance because we both Know that if it weren't for external circumstances Lance nor Harvey would be here


And he actually has the 6th and 7th best Recruits of all time on THIS TEAM RIGHT NOW. and he we are with 10 losses. 4 of which to sub 100 teams.

 

[Chance2017]

I'll certainly take Mick Cronin's last 9 years of tourney success over the last 9 years of Huggins.


In fact, I think the big reason people were frustrated with Mick, was because it was a continuation of Huggins failures in the latter part of his time at UC.

Huggs just happened to buy himself a lot of Capital with success he had in his first 5-6 years.


Huggins was getting top 4 seeds and still had just 1 sweet 16 in his last 9 years.


He was upset 7 TIMES in his last 9 years.


Maybe UC basketball is cursed. 18 tourney's between 2 coaches and just 2 sweet 16's. 10 times being upset by lowered seeded teams.

WOW is all I have to say if you would take Mick over Bob Huggins. WOW

 

[justinhub2003]

I had to read the rest of the post in an Eric Cartman voice.

LOL.

 

[justinhub2003]

Any way.

You guys win. I give up.


Mick sucked. but Brannen rules.
while angry Sean miller Drools

The Future is bright.
Everything is alright
Lets go kick some USF ass tomorrow night

 

[cincrulz11]

Mick was really good for a while finding really good players that were under-ranked. The list is long and those players took us places. SK, Caupain, Clark, Evans.


It was clear they were good from day 1. We haven't had one since Evans. Cumberland was as advertised.


That wasn't the problem. Recruiting like that got us up to #4 on kenpom 2 years ago. The problem was it didn't continue.

 

[Bearcats92]

Justin can you just get some UCLA gear and join their board?

 

[justinhub2003]

WOW is all I have to say if you would take Mick over Bob Huggins. WOW

YES.


If we split Huggins Career in half, I absolutely would. He also peaked at Cincinnati and needed to move on.


His first half of his career was great.


The 2nd half, Was Whiff after whiff after whiff while also bringing in questionable characters to UC.


7 upsets in 9 years is indefensible.


But go on and tell me how bad Nevada burns when you can just pull up wikipedia and relive every single high seed upset bob Huggins had

 

[justinhub2003]

Justin can you just get some UCLA gear and join their board?

You buying?

 

[Bcatfollower]

You buying?

I think we could get a pool or a go fund me together and make this happen.

 

[Chance2017]

I think we could get a pool or a go fund me together and make this happen.

I would contribute

 

[cincrulz11]

YES.


If we split Huggins Career in half, I absolutely would. He also peaked at Cincinnati and needed to move on.


His first half of his career was great.


The 2nd half, Was Whiff after whiff after whiff while also bringing in questionable characters to UC.


7 upsets in 9 years is indefensible.


But go on and tell me how bad Nevada burns when you can just pull up wikipedia and relive every single high seed upset bob Huggins had

but he did like, ya know, make a final 4, and some elite 8s, and like, stuff.


and it was time for him to move on. even without the drunk driving, certain sections of the fan base were growing tired of his last 9 years. and thats even with final 4 and elite 8s.

 

[justinhub2003]

but he did like, ya know, make a final 4, and some elite 8s, and like, stuff.


and it was time for him to move on. even without the drunk driving, certain sections of the fan base were growing tired of his last 9 years. and thats even with final 4 and elite 8s.

AND I mentioned in my first post that those Final Four's bought him some capital that he was able to Cash in for years to come.


But his last year years, are worse than the Cronin era. Because of the post season failure.

REMEMBER POST SEASON SUCCESS IS ALL THAT MATTERS AT UC.