'15 UNCA Transfer G Andrew Rowsey

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Let's keep the faith guys, it's going to be a good year. This staff is straight up with recruits about what it will take to play, how they will play and where. There is an expectation of the effort required to be a Bearcat. This isn't always reciprocated by the recruit and their people. We live in a pampered society where every kid is told he is going to be a lottery pick. This staff doesn't play into that sometimes to their detriment. I respect the approach and applaud it.
 
Let's keep the faith guys, it's going to be a good year. This staff is straight up with recruits about what it will take to play, how they will play and where. There is an expectation of the effort required to be a Bearcat. This isn't always reciprocated by the recruit and their people. We live in a pampered society where every kid is told he is going to be a lottery pick. This staff doesn't play into that sometimes to their detriment. I respect the approach and applaud it.

Eh. Bull hockey. I don't applaud it at all. We need to get with the times and evolve with the game. If Mick was hanging banners and sending guys pro, that be one thing. But that's not happening. Not at all. So why should I keep the faith that this staff's version of "The Bearcat Way" is ever going to produce anything? It hasn't so far. 1 conference title? 0 conference tournament titles? 0 Final 4s? 0 1st round picks? 1 current NBA player? I don't buy that we can dig our heels in and not change what we're doing. The best of the best kids don't want to play here. Period. They don't even consider it. Mick isn't reinventing the wheel with his "first to 50 rock fight" approach. No other college or pro team in the world looks like us on the court. If we want great recruits, we CAN get them. They just need to have a reason to believe they aren't coming here to sit on the bench behind 5 ppg scorers, work on defense 99% of the time, or play in a style that produces several outputs of 40-50 points. Some guys are told they can be 1st round/lottery picks, then they actually become them. We don't know anything about that here. We need primetime players, and our approach does nothing but scare them off. Of course I want good recruits, but to be perfectly honest, I really don't blame the kids with big dreams for going elsewhere. This upcoming year better be great (on the floor and in recruiting) bc a lot of people are going to once and for all stop believing that Mick can coach offense, if we have any of the many clunkers we had this past year. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I'm not doing the whole rainbows, and unicorns, and everything is always happy in BearcatLand stuff. Our approach needs to change or we will continue to have more of the same struggles.
 
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Let's keep the faith guys, it's going to be a good year. This staff is straight up with recruits about what it will take to play, how they will play and where. There is an expectation of the effort required to be a Bearcat. This isn't always reciprocated by the recruit and their people. We live in a pampered society where every kid is told he is going to be a lottery pick. This staff doesn't play into that sometimes to their detriment. I respect the approach and applaud it.

C'mon man, to say that we are losing recruits because we tell the truth and others lie is a cop out. Nor do you have knowledge of what exactly UC is telling them vs. what any other coach out there is telling them.

I still think style of play is hurting recruiting more so than any other factor.
 
I didn't say that's the only reason but it plays a part. You, me not anyone else knows the full story of why. What we do know is he targeted Jenifer, Evans and Scott and He landed all three. I'm no different than the rest of you. I called the spring a failure. I simply don't feel like some of you that the program is in the doldrums. There are things to be excited about in my opinion. For example all but one contributing player returning for the coming season. The world doesn't end because Andrew Rowsey went to Marquette in part because he wants to play exclusively pg.

As far as the rainbows and unicorns comments above, nobody said that either. Things do need to change and I pointed that out a couple days ago. There is a philosophical mindset that has an effect on recruiting, but the fact remains there is reason to be believe the upcoming season can be a very good season.

And please tell me who you're going to bring in to change all this? It is what it is. I choose to see the positive. Beat the "all is lost" drum is you want I won't do that. I think the team as it stands wins the league and makes an NCAA run.
 
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What are you basing this on? Your deep inside connection with Mick? It does happen in recruiting, but please quit pretending to have some sort of inside info.

Mick's not grabbing 1-2 five start guys for 2016. Remember the hype that Mick was focusing on a stud in 2015 and some people bought it? As if he wasn't already trying to land the best players possible. He tries, they all do. But it needs to improve.

Again my sources are as follow: A guy who works for the program and school whose been there 10+ years and another guy within the program who deals with players everyday. They have been right and have been wrong. It happens. It's recruiting. Simple explaination really. It's funny no one seems to complain when I outlined the future commitments of recruits such as Quadri Moore, KJ, Troy Capuain and Farad Cobb to name more recent guys.
 
I didn't say that's the only reason but it plays a part. You, me not anyone else knows the full story of why. What we do know is he targeted Jenifer, Evans and Scott and He landed all three. I'm no different than the rest of you. I called the spring a failure. I simply don't feel like some of you that the program is in the doldrums. There are things to be excited about in my opinion. For example all but one contributing player returning for the coming season. The world doesn't end because Andrew Rowsey went to Marquette in part because he wants to play exclusively pg.

As far as the rainbows and unicorns comments above, nobody said that either. Things do need to change and I pointed that out a couple days ago. There is a philosophical mindset that has an effect on recruiting, but the fact remains there is reason to be believe the upcoming season can be a very good season.

And please tell me who you're going to bring in to change all this? It is what it is. I choose to see the positive. Beat the "all is lost" drum is you want I won't do that. I think the team as it stands wins the league and makes an NCAA run.

It isn't so much about Rowsey, as it is seeing another new coach in a rebuild come right in and beat us out for a player. We had everything going for us in this one, and couldn't close the deal. That's frustrating. I think Lawrence is the only player out of 22 since 2009 to be a Top 100 recruit on every service. I know the rankings aren't that meaningful, but considering only 1 of those guys has ever scored double figures here, there may be something to it. So either our style of play needs to change, or the level of recruits needs to change. The latter isn't happening first. In order to achieve freedom of movement, you have to truly have freedom of player. Our players play tenatively, rather than freely, year in and year out. The half court/low possession/2 pt shooting teams are dying. Unfortunately, we have been very firmly entrenched in that approach. Imo we either need to play at a fast pace, where we get it up the floor in 5 seconds and take all open shots regardless of the shot clock, or we need to stay at the pace we are and shoot 20 3s per game. I prefer option 1. But if Troy is the PG, we need him to start 30-35 feet out, with 3 guys around the perimeter and Ellis coming WAY out to screen. Troy is a big PG, we need him to have a full head of steam in his attack. Then he can either get fouled, kick out to a spot up shooter, or lob it to a crashing Clark. Troy is also a good passer so having him away from the hoop helps with ball movement. Guys like Guyn would always stay so close to the 3 pt line, that our "ball movement" is just predictable, station to station passing. Open things up. You're either in a corner, out on a wing to receive a pass, posting up, or setting a meaningful screen. When we keep Clark and Ellis both inside, it clogs things up, bc man or zone, there will be at least 4 big bodies within 15 feet of the hoop. It makes it so hard if you don't have consistent, high level shooters. I'm afraid that things are getting stale. Same staff, same philosophy, same results. No more making faces, screaming at refs, all that stuff. The games are about the players, not the coach. Yell and scream and teach whatever you can in practice, but the game is about the scouting report, not a step by step instructional from the coach on the sideline, teaching the kids how to play basketball. That's small-time, old-fashioned stuff.
 
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I didn't say that's the only reason but it plays a part. You, me not anyone else knows the full story of why. What we do know is he targeted Jenifer, Evans and Scott and He landed all three. I'm no different than the rest of you. I called the spring a failure. I simply don't feel like some of you that the program is in the doldrums. There are things to be excited about in my opinion. For example all but one contributing player returning for the coming season. The world doesn't end because Andrew Rowsey went to Marquette in part because he wants to play exclusively pg.

As far as the rainbows and unicorns comments above, nobody said that either. Things do need to change and I pointed that out a couple days ago. There is a philosophical mindset that has an effect on recruiting, but the fact remains there is reason to be believe the upcoming season can be a very good season.

And please tell me who you're going to bring in to change all this? It is what it is. I choose to see the positive. Beat the "all is lost" drum is you want I won't do that. I think the team as it stands wins the league and makes an NCAA run.

Evans, Jenifer and Scott were not his prime targets, those were Beasley Sina, etc... Cronin got the recruiting class he has but none were his top targets. Yes Cronin's brother stated that Rowsey wanted to play PG and we have our starting PG for the next two years. Or you can read it as, look where Cobb played last year (as he would be Cobb's replacement)and he had to play SG behind a guy that shot 30% and has high TO's on a team that averaged 60 ppg, oh and you get the luxury of playing at 5/3 and get to go to UCF, Tulane and ECU.

Winning the AAC is no great shakes in the eyes of the media. You should know what they think about our conference, it does not equal a high seed, now beating ISU, VCU and X and winning league will help.
 
I realize that. But Rowsey, Caupain, Evans at the 1, 2, and 3 sounds right to me in 2016-2017. Why was that an issue for us?

The issue is that Caupain is an all conference pg next 2 year and he is not moving from that spot and Rowsey wanted to be the starting pg, rowsey sr year Jenifer would have been the pg, there is not pt at that spot.
 
Again my sources are as follow: A guy who works for the program and school whose been there 10+ years and another guy within the program who deals with players everyday. They have been right and have been wrong. It happens. It's recruiting. Simple explaination really. It's funny no one seems to complain when I outlined the future commitments of recruits such as Quadri Moore, KJ, Troy Capuain and Farad Cobb to name more recent guys.

Did UC have stiff competition for any of those guys? Cobb was unknown, we were the best offer KJ had and we were up against Rutgers for Quad.

You stated that Ward not committing was a surprise to the coaching staff even though he had multiple offers and interest from B1G schools OSU, MSU and Iowa. How could the staff think that we had advantages over Izzo or Matta? Is it UC's conference, facilities or 60 ppg average. I guess it makes sense, Mick thought he had Scotty Hopson and Hasheem Thabeet Beasley, Abu etc... and what happened, from what you said, most likely the same thing that happened with Ward. From what you have stated without links (ahem) makes it seems like the coaching staff falsely thinks they are in with recruits but they really have no idea due to the track record.
 
The issue is that Caupain is an all conference pg next 2 year and he is not moving from that spot and Rowsey wanted to be the starting pg, rowsey sr year Jenifer would have been the pg, there is not pt at that spot.

Or Rowsey saw or was told, hey look, you will be replacing Cobb and if not playing PG you will be playing behind guys that play defense and average 5 ppg as seen last season, do you want to be another Morman? Others have stated he is very one dimensional
 
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So we weren't going to let Rowsey have a shot at starting PG?

He's the same size as Justin Jenifer, but outside of wide open threes not nearly as skilled. He would have had to up his game to ever be a starter here, and there's a good chance he will never start at Marquette either. Remember it's easy to average big numbers when you score 76 in two games against mighty Liberty. In their biggest game of the year against Coastal Carolina he scored 14 on 3-9 shooting. He is an outstanding free throw shooter though.
 
I thought every spot was up for grabs every year? Why can't Caupain play the 2 his SR year for the good of the team? That is such a terrible reason/excuse to not get the exact type of shooter we've been dying to have for years. Why is Troy being treated like the golden boy and being promised the keys to the kingdom 2 years in advance over everyone else? Are we going to rig our recruiting based on the chosen players already in the program? No way you can convince me that Rowsey, Caupain, Evans wouldn't be better than Caupain, whoever, Evans. That's a weak excuse. So wanting him to replace Cobb means Cobb has no shot at starting PG this year either? I think that could be a mistake. But hopefully Troy can embrace the pressure and have a breakout season. A lot seems to be riding on him the next 2 years.
 
The issue is that Caupain is an all conference pg next 2 year and he is not moving from that spot and Rowsey wanted to be the starting pg, rowsey sr year Jenifer would have been the pg, there is not pt at that spot.

So it is just set in stone that Jenifer gets the minutes as a soph? Sorry Rowsey, we don't care how good you are or how bad we need a shooter? Hmm...
 
I find it funny that Rowsey is now the second coming. Look, he is a nice player and would have been a nice addition. He is NOT the missing piece to a deep tourney run. I'm not losing any sleep over this. He picked Marquette. Good luck to him. I'm moving on.

On a side note, Evans was recruited to play SG. Next year he may see some time at the 3 just because of our roster makeup. Someone said it earlier that guards fall off trees. It is so true. I'm not all that concerned about missing out on this one player.
 
So it is just set in stone that Jenifer gets the minutes as a soph? Sorry Rowsey, we don't care how good you are or how bad we need a shooter? Hmm...

Nothing is set in stone but maybe he was told that he would start at Marquette compared to fighting for a spot at UC? Who knows. I wasn't there but I have heard that this coaching staff doesn't promise anything to any player. I don't have a problem with that.
 
I thought every spot was up for grabs every year? Why can't Caupain play the 2 his SR year for the good of the team? That is such a terrible reason/excuse to not get the exact type of shooter we've been dying to have for years. Why is Troy being treated like the golden boy and being promised the keys to the kingdom 2 years in advance over everyone else? Are we going to rig our recruiting based on the chosen players already in the program? No way you can convince me that Rowsey, Caupain, Evans wouldn't be better than Caupain, whoever, Evans. That's a weak excuse. So wanting him to replace Cobb means Cobb has no shot at starting PG this year either? I think that could be a mistake. But hopefully Troy can embrace the pressure and have a breakout season. A lot seems to be riding on him the next 2 years.

From what I've seen you recruit to who you lose so if Cobb is a sg then you recruit a sg. There is not spots up for grabs when you have upperclassmen on micks team, upperclassmen always start.
 
I find it funny that Rowsey is now the second coming. Look, he is a nice player and would have been a nice addition. He is NOT the missing piece to a deep tourney run. I'm not losing any sleep over this. He picked Marquette. Good luck to him. I'm moving on.

On a side note, Evans was recruited to play SG. Next year he may see some time at the 3 just because of our roster makeup. Someone said it earlier that guards fall off trees. It is so true. I'm not all that concerned about missing out on this one player.

I'd have an easier time moving on if I felt like there was even 1 solid player we were in the lead for to use one of the 6 scholarships we have over the next year.
 
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