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This is not U C basketball -rotations are always late ,nobody takes a charge,can't stop penetration and we don't have a guy who can shut down somebody that's hot.
 
WAITE HOYT 2 said:
jake I understand your frustration but KJ had some very nice games last year and he has had some moments this year. He guards well but lately he is a train wreck offensively. Getting him back on track as a productive bench piece is vital to this team. That said I really have no clue how that gets done.
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I just don't know how you can say that. What does "getting KJ back on track" even mean? He's been a terrible, terrible player for 2 years now. He literally can't be any worse. How anyone could think he deserves more time than Quadri Moore blows my mind. Serious question...what could he possibly do for you to bench him? He isn't just in a funk. He is just not a good player. I don't know why people are in denial about this. But having him on the floor holds the team back.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
I just don't know how you can say that. What does "getting KJ back on track" even mean? He's been a terrible, terrible player for 2 years now. He literally can't be any worse. How anyone could think he deserves more time than Quadri Moore blows my mind. Serious question...what could he possibly do for you to bench him? He isn't just in a funk. He is just not a good player. I don't know why people are in denial about this. But having him on the floor holds the team back.
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Jake Come on. He has had some big games for this team. He has actually made plays in games that won games. His shot is much needed on the perimeter on this team and he has shown that he can knock it down on occasion. Comparing him to Moore is not even close. I won't pull up stats or individual games for KJ to substantiate my opinion. He is needed on this team. Next year with only one wing signed he will again be needed. Is he playing bad, yes has he played much better Yes. His inconsistency is on par with all the guys on this squad to this point in the season. The only consistent thing I've seen this team do is not guard. Here is a 2016 prediction for you, before the season is over KJ will change your opinion of his play before the end of the year.
 
Our coach wants our players to stop being so nice...well maybe it starts with him not being so nice to them. If Shaq is getting benched bc of the way he was at practice, then he needs to be benched for at least the first 10 minutes. If KJ is allowed to play NO MATTER WHAT bc Mick plays favorites, Mick might as well go coach at the high school level. If Gary Clark scores ZERO against Xavier, why is he automatically in the lineup again the next game?

Mick likes these guys too much so he doesn't hold them accountable. I'm really not kidding when I say KJ shouldn't see the floor for more than 2 minutes against the best competition. Look up any stat you want for the last 2 years, he's pretty much the worst on the team. Time to stop being so nice, and start being honest with these guys about what's acceptable. You can't have it both ways...we won't win jack in the tournament if guys are automatically in the rotation for putting in time and being "good" kids.
 
WAITE HOYT 2 said:
Jake Come on. He has had some big games for this team. He has actually made plays in games that won games. His shot is much needed on the perimeter on this team and he has shown that he can knock it down on occasion. Comparing him to Moore is not even close. I won't pull up stats or individual games for KJ to substantiate my opinion. He is needed on this team. Next year with only one wing signed he will again be needed. Is he playing bad, yes has he played much better Yes. His inconsistency is on par with all the guys on this squad to this point in the season. The only consistent thing I've seen this team do is not guard. Here is a 2016 prediction for you, before the season is over KJ will change your opinion of his play before the end of the year.
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I'm sorry Waite, but I have no idea what you're watching. Making a couple shots every few games isn't good enough. Even the long 2 he did make against Iowa State was a horrible shot. He is on par with Quadri. If you can't see that, then you are too close. Don't know what else to say.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
Our coach wants our players to stop being so nice...well maybe it starts with him not being so nice to them. If Shaq is getting benched bc of the way he was at practice, then he needs to be benched for at least the first 10 minutes. If KJ is allowed to play NO MATTER WHAT bc Mick plays favorites, Mick might as well go coach at the high school level. If Gary Clark scores ZERO against Xavier, why is he automatically in the lineup again the next game?

Mick likes these guys too much so he doesn't hold them accountable. I'm really not kidding when I say KJ shouldn't see the floor for more than 2 minutes against the best competition. Look up any stat you want for the last 2 years, he's pretty much the worst on the team. Time to stop being so nice, and start being honest with these guys about what's acceptable. You can't have it both ways...we won't win jack in the tournament if guys are automatically in the rotation for putting in time and being "good" kids.
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here are his stats for this year.


Fri 11/13 vs

W CAROLINA
W 97-72 20 2-7 .286 1-5 .200 1-2 .500 1 3 0 0 2 0 6
Sun 11/15 vs

ROBERT MORRIS
W 106-44 23 5-14 .357 4-9 .444 0-0 .000 4 3 0 2 2 0 14
Wed 11/18 @

BOWLING GREEN
W 83-50 20 3-8 .375 2-6 .333 0-0 .000 1 2 0 1 2 1 8
Sun 11/22 vs

AR-PINE BLUFF
W 99-50 15 1-6 .167 0-3 .000 3-3 1.000 0 2 0 1 2 0 5
Tue 11/24 vs

SE LOUISIANA
W 64-49 18 1-7 .143 1-4 .250 0-0 .000 1 3 0 2 3 2 3
Fri 11/27 vs

NEBRASKA
W 65-61 25 1-5 .200 1-3 .333 1-2 .500 5 3 0 1 1 1 4
Sat 11/28 vs

G WASHINGTON
W 61-56 25 5-9 .556 1-5 .200 0-0 .000 2 0 0 0 1 0 11
Wed 12/2 vs

BUTLER
L 78-76 26 3-5 .600 2-3 .667 1-2 .500 1 1 0 0 3 2 9
Sun 12/6 vs

MORGAN STATE
W 87-66 22 4-8 .500 2-6 .333 0-0 .000 3 3 0 2 1 3 10
Sat 12/12 @

#12 XAVIER
L 65-55 16 1-2 .500 1-2 .500 0-0 .000 0 1 0 1 2 3 3
Tue 12/15 vs

NORFOLK STATE
W 75-59 10 0-2 .000 0-2 .000 0-0 .000 1 1 0 0 3 3 0
Sat 12/19 @

VCU
W 69-63 15 0-2 .000 0-2 .000 4-4 1.000 1 0 0 1 1 0 4
Tue 12/22 vs

#11 IOWA STATE
L 81-79 19 3-4 .750 2-3 .667 0-0 .000 1 0 0 0 3 2 8
Tue 12/29 vs

TEMPLE
L 77-70 13 1-4 .250 1-3 .333 0-0 .000 0 0 0 0 2 1 3




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Here are his stats. I refuse to debate with you on the Mick plays favorites. I do not even no how to respond to that. What I do no is this team needs his defense and his outside jumper. For us to be the team we want. He has got to contribute. The frustrating thing for me about KJ is He has had some very good stretches of basketball. He has also had some very bad ones as well. Sort of like Shaq. Burying him on the bench is not a option with how this team is made up. And by the was he was a starter and was demoted. His playing time is dwindling. He played 14 minutes last game. Below his average. his average run time this year is down from last year. Come down off the ledge young man its new years eve. Have a few(but no driving) and enjoy the evening. There is always another game.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
Our coach wants our players to stop being so nice...well maybe it starts with him not being so nice to them. If Shaq is getting benched bc of the way he was at practice, then he needs to be benched for at least the first 10 minutes. If KJ is allowed to play NO MATTER WHAT bc Mick plays favorites, Mick might as well go coach at the high school level. If Gary Clark scores ZERO against Xavier, why is he automatically in the lineup again the next game?

Mick likes these guys too much so he doesn't hold them accountable. I'm really not kidding when I say KJ shouldn't see the floor for more than 2 minutes against the best competition. Look up any stat you want for the last 2 years, he's pretty much the worst on the team. Time to stop being so nice, and start being honest with these guys about what's acceptable. You can't have it both ways...we won't win jack in the tournament if guys are automatically in the rotation for putting in time and being "good" kids.
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If Mick benched everyone for poor play this year he wouldn't be able to field a team
 
WAITE HOYT 2 said:
here are his stats for this year.


Fri 11/13 vs

W CAROLINA
W 97-72 20 2-7 .286 1-5 .200 1-2 .500 1 3 0 0 2 0 6
Sun 11/15 vs

ROBERT MORRIS
W 106-44 23 5-14 .357 4-9 .444 0-0 .000 4 3 0 2 2 0 14
Wed 11/18 @

BOWLING GREEN
W 83-50 20 3-8 .375 2-6 .333 0-0 .000 1 2 0 1 2 1 8
Sun 11/22 vs

AR-PINE BLUFF
W 99-50 15 1-6 .167 0-3 .000 3-3 1.000 0 2 0 1 2 0 5
Tue 11/24 vs

SE LOUISIANA
W 64-49 18 1-7 .143 1-4 .250 0-0 .000 1 3 0 2 3 2 3
Fri 11/27 vs

NEBRASKA
W 65-61 25 1-5 .200 1-3 .333 1-2 .500 5 3 0 1 1 1 4
Sat 11/28 vs

G WASHINGTON
W 61-56 25 5-9 .556 1-5 .200 0-0 .000 2 0 0 0 1 0 11
Wed 12/2 vs

BUTLER
L 78-76 26 3-5 .600 2-3 .667 1-2 .500 1 1 0 0 3 2 9
Sun 12/6 vs

MORGAN STATE
W 87-66 22 4-8 .500 2-6 .333 0-0 .000 3 3 0 2 1 3 10
Sat 12/12 @

#12 XAVIER
L 65-55 16 1-2 .500 1-2 .500 0-0 .000 0 1 0 1 2 3 3
Tue 12/15 vs

NORFOLK STATE
W 75-59 10 0-2 .000 0-2 .000 0-0 .000 1 1 0 0 3 3 0
Sat 12/19 @

VCU
W 69-63 15 0-2 .000 0-2 .000 4-4 1.000 1 0 0 1 1 0 4
Tue 12/22 vs

#11 IOWA STATE
L 81-79 19 3-4 .750 2-3 .667 0-0 .000 1 0 0 0 3 2 8
Tue 12/29 vs

TEMPLE
L 77-70 13 1-4 .250 1-3 .333 0-0 .000 0 0 0 0 2 1 3




Glossary

Here are his stats. I refuse to debate with you on the Mick plays favorites. I do not even no how to respond to that. What I do no is this team needs his defense and his outside jumper. For us to be the team we want. He has got to contribute. The frustrating thing for me about KJ is He has had some very good stretches of basketball. He has also had some very bad ones as well. Sort of like Shaq. Burying him on the bench is not a option with how this team is made up. And by the was he was a starter and was demoted. His playing time is dwindling. He played 14 minutes last game. Below his average. his average run time this year is down from last year. Come down off the ledge young man its new years eve. Have a few(but no driving) and enjoy the evening. There is always another game.
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I know his stats. I've watched every game. His mistakes aren't just going to magically go away. They happen every game. He's been here for 82 games now and he's the exact same player.

Other guys ride the bench or are flat out driven out of the program in favor of Mick's guys.

I'm not on a ledge either. I'm not frustrated with KJ. I'm simply stating that he isn't good enough to play at UC. His minutes have gone down a tad, but not in favor of another bench guy...so the minutes he's losing are going straight into putting more stress on the starters.

This is why I was asking what kind of program we want to be. One where we all cheer for a guy like KJ no matter what and accept his poor play bc hey, he's on scholarship, he works hard and he's a good kid. Or one where we say, ok sorry Junior, you've had years to stop freaking out every time you're out there and you haven't, so we're going with someone else.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
Defense killed us yesterday. Inexcusable. But my hope has more to do with simply removing the worst player on the team from the rotation, and helping save the legs of the best player. KJ does nothing, and I do mean nothing, to help this team. He should play as much as Quadri.
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KJ is decent in the press on D. That's one thing. He can sometimes be a shooter. That's 2.

I'm not sure that's enough though.

I do agree with shortening the rotation if that's what it takes though. I get what they're trying to do with Jennifer getting experience, but he's not ready to help at all on either end. His minutes are charity for the long term of the program at this point.

Related... what's up with conditioning? Ellis looks gassed to me half the time down the floor and he's playing like 25 minutes a game. Watch Clark try to get out on shooters or get to his box out this year. It's like we try to play even a little bit faster and these guys can't run with it and everything suffers. I'm not sure cutting the rotation is even an option until something changes there. They don't look apathetic to me they look tired.

Related... Should we be pressing at all? Frankly, Troy and Cobb are terrible at it and those are the guys we're using the most for offensive reasons. We don't accomplish much of anything now that we're facing real teams.

I think they came in to the season thinking "we're deep, lets wear teams down" only our bench guys aren't that good and the only team getting worn down is us.
 
KJ and Moore can get by. Just need be coached and developed properly. Moore needs be just setting screens and kj told don't shoot unless it's off 3 or more passes. Both do what the hell they want immediately upon entering game
 
jacobkdoyle said:
I know his stats. I've watched every game. His mistakes aren't just going to magically go away. They happen every game. He's been here for 82 games now and he's the exact same player.

Other guys ride the bench or are flat out driven out of the program in favor of Mick's guys.

I'm not on a ledge either. I'm not frustrated with KJ. I'm simply stating that he isn't good enough to play at UC. His minutes have gone down a tad, but not in favor of another bench guy...so the minutes he's losing are going straight into putting more stress on the starters.

This is why I was asking what kind of program we want to be. One where we all cheer for a guy like KJ no matter what and accept his poor play bc hey, he's on scholarship, he works hard and he's a good kid. Or one where we say, ok sorry Junior, you've had years to stop freaking out every time you're out there and you haven't, so we're going with someone else.
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Mick is the Coach he is responsible for the performance of the team. If I'm him I play the guys I think will help me win. This isn't little league. This is his dream job. It a business. He gets paid lots to do it. Risking all that to play his favorites is laughable. If there was a better option in the coaches mind he would be playing. Your assertion that Jenifer is a better option is coming from a fan just like me. If I did not believe the coach was far better suited to run the program then me I would quit watching. Coaches do all kinds of BS to help the, win not play their favorites. Ultimately all these players move on and new guys come in. Really not buying in to your favorite theory.
 
WAITE HOYT 2 said:
Mick is the Coach he is responsible for the performance of the team. If I'm him I play the guys I think will help me win. This isn't little league. This is his dream job. It a business. He gets paid lots to do it. Risking all that to play his favorites is laughable. If there was a better option in the coaches mind he would be playing. Your assertion that Jenifer is a better option is coming from a fan just like me. If I did not believe the coach was far better suited to run the program then me I would quit watching. Coaches do all kinds of BS to help the, win not play their favorites. Ultimately all these players move on and new guys come in. Really not buying in to your favorite theory.
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When would you personally pull the plug on KJ and remove him completely from the regular rotation? What would have to happen?
 
jacobkdoyle said:
When would you personally pull the plug on KJ and remove him completely from the regular rotation? What would have to happen?
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kj can help us. Just coach him up. He basically playing for his self
on both ends. I'll start him to be honest. Any coach in America could tell his problem isn't skills he trying to hard get back in starting 5. Keep Shaq and Ellis on 2nd unit. Swap out Evans for kj go to 3 guard lineup. Guarantee you guys kj look comfortable as ever playing with Cobb in lineup
 
Bulldog01 said:
kj can help us. Just coach him up. He basically playing for his self
on both ends. I'll start him to be honest. Any coach in America could tell his problem isn't skills he trying to hard get back in starting 5. Keep Shaq and Ellis on 2nd unit. Swap out Evans for kj go to 3 guard lineup. Guarantee you guys kj look comfortable as ever playing with Cobb in lineup
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KJ hasn't looked comfortable a day in his life. He can't play against the best of the best. He'd end up airballing a free throw again, or kicking it out of bounds, or freak out and hold the ball like a deer in headlights then throw it away. It's been happening for over 80 games...it won't magically change over the next 20. He just can't handle it. He doesn't know how to turn his brain off and just play with instincts.
 

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