2016-2017 Season

[Union Bearcat]

The stat I had heard was that KenPom started in 2002 and every NC has been Top 40 in AdjO and AdjD.

We have 9 games left to get inside the top 40!

 

[waterhead]

#15 in the new AP. SMU is 12. If the winner of our tourney is either UC or SMU I would think the result could be top 12 for either team. If we can crack top 12 if they drop us a seed line we are a top 4 seed.

SMU is ahead of us so that would be 1 team down. We could have moved past Duke this week but we didn't. Maybe if Purdue and Duke gets knocked off early enough we can get there in the AP.

I think it would be hard to pass the rest.

 

[waterhead]

#15 in the new AP. SMU is 12. If the winner of our tourney is either UC or SMU I would think the result could be top 12 for either team. If we can crack top 12 if they drop us a seed line we are a top 4 seed.

SMU is ahead of us so that would be 1 team down. We could have moved past Duke this week but we didn't. Maybe if Purdue and Duke gets knocked off early enough we can get there in the AP.

I think it would be hard to pass the rest.

Of course we could get jumped by another team if they do well enough in a tougher conference like FSU or Florida or Butler for example.

Gotta win though. Anything less and we are a 5 seed.

 

[waterhead]

In his last 5 games Cumberland is averaging 25 minutes, 3 rebounds, 2.5 assists, shooting 50% from the floor (while shooting just 22% from 3), he's averaging 10+ PPG, and getting to the FT line.

I like where his game is heading. If he can just make a few of those 3's he's going to be a little more dangerous than he has already become.

I like the idea that we are wearing down the opponents with KJ defense and then bringing him in to close out halves. I also like the idea of bringing in Cumberland for more of Scott's minutes when we can.

This is a development that is likely going to help us in tourney play. I just hope we can get him closer to 30 minutes in games that count moving forward. Things just seem to flow better on offense when he is in the game.

 

[cincrulz11]

It's so nice to see that offensive turnover %. It had been so bad in the past.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

In his last 5 games Cumberland is averaging 25 minutes, 3 rebounds, 2.5 assists, shooting 50% from the floor (while shooting just 22% from 3), he's averaging 10+ PPG, and getting to the FT line.

I like where his game is heading. If he can just make a few of those 3's he's going to be a little more dangerous than he has already become.

I like the idea that we are wearing down the opponents with KJ defense and then bringing him in to close out halves. I also like the idea of bringing in Cumberland for more of Scott's minutes when we can.

This is a development that is likely going to help us in tourney play. I just hope we can get him closer to 30 minutes in games that count moving forward. Things just seem to flow better on offense when he is in the game.

@American_MBB
Cumberland ranked second among @GoBearcatsMBB in scoring last week, averaging 12.5 pts while shooting 62.5 percent (10 of 16) from the field https://t.co/pmyXXcbzEx

 

[jacobkdoyle]

In his last 5 games Cumberland is averaging 25 minutes, 3 rebounds, 2.5 assists, shooting 50% from the floor (while shooting just 22% from 3), he's averaging 10+ PPG, and getting to the FT line.

I like where his game is heading. If he can just make a few of those 3's he's going to be a little more dangerous than he has already become.

I like the idea that we are wearing down the opponents with KJ defense and then bringing him in to close out halves. I also like the idea of bringing in Cumberland for more of Scott's minutes when we can.

This is a development that is likely going to help us in tourney play. I just hope we can get him closer to 30 minutes in games that count moving forward. Things just seem to flow better on offense when he is in the game.

Cumberland's game is perfect for March. He is such a pain in the a$$ to defend.

 

[cincrulz11]

Cumberland's game is perfect for March. He is such a pain in the a$$ to defend.

just as long as the refs dont call bs charges on him just because of his size. yeah he might destroy a guy, but that guy wasn't there in time, dont bail out the defender (happens more to cumberland than any guy i remember for us).

 

[jacobkdoyle]

just as long as the refs dont call bs charges on him just because of his size. yeah he might destroy a guy, but that guy wasn't there in time, dont bail out the defender (happens more to cumberland than any guy i remember for us).

Yeah that makes me more upset than anything else that happens during UC games. I'm just glad he doesn't let it stop him from being aggressive.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

Cumberland gets charges because sometimes he just dribbles into the chest of a player. You have to try to get around a player and that player slide into you to draw a blocking call. A defender doesn't have to have his feet set if he's moving with the player and the player runs him over.

 

[waterhead]

Cumberland gets charges because sometimes he just dribbles into the chest of a player. You have to try to get around a player and that player slide into you to draw a blocking call. A defender doesn't have to have his feet set if he's moving with the player and the player runs him over.

I think coach has been working with him on going up off of 2 feet instead of 1 so he can change his direction a little before running into someone. Either way I like that he is trying to get in there and make something happen.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Cumberland gets charges because sometimes he just dribbles into the chest of a player. You have to try to get around a player and that player slide into you to draw a blocking call. A defender doesn't have to have his feet set if he's moving with the player and the player runs him over.

He's had charges called on him every which way, including trying to avoid the defender. And you're incorrect about the bolded part...if the defender is not set, they are not entitled to that space. The offensive player can't extend to create additional space (the way Jenifer draws player control fouls), but Cumberland doesn't do that. Attacking the chest of the defender who has no right to the space bc they are out of position is exactly what he should be taught to do. Not his fault that his size causes a more violent collision. But the situation you are describing is essentially the definition of a blocking foul, so long as the offensive player isn't extending to move them off the space. And with the NCAA "stressing" freedom of movement, Cumberland should get the benefit of the doubt on those calls.

 

[coachpipe]

Cumberland gets charges because sometimes he just dribbles into the chest of a player. You have to try to get around a player and that player slide into you to draw a blocking call. A defender doesn't have to have his feet set if he's moving with the player and the player runs him over.

Galen Robinson from Houston had 8 of the first 14 and was 4-4 shooting. Then Cumberland ran him over and he didnt score the rest of the game. Sometimes offensive fouls like that can be a good thing haha

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Galen Robinson from Houston had 8 of the first 14 and was 4-4 shooting. Then Cumberland ran him over and he didnt score the rest of the game. Sometimes offensive fouls like that can be a good thing haha

Lmao.

 

[cincyguy13]

I'll take a charge over standing outside and shooting jumpers. Lot of times offensive will get that call

 

[GarradJ21]

Yeah of course we all get mad when it's a charge but really at least he's being aggressive.

 

[#BearcatNation]

The stat I had heard was that KenPom started in 2002 and every NC has been Top 40 in AdjO and AdjD.

If you're looking for a good KenPom comparison to this year's UC team that has won a title, look no further than 2014 UConn.

2014 UConn: 113.0 AdjO (39), 90.9 AdjD (10)
2017 Cincy: 113.1 AdjO (42), 90.6 AdjD (7)

Those numbers for UConn also include their 6 NCAA Tournament wins.

Not trying to mislead or get people hyped, but seriously, anything can happen in the NCAA Tournament. I love March so much.

 

[cincrulz11]

Cumberland gets charges because sometimes he just dribbles into the chest of a player. You have to try to get around a player and that player slide into you to draw a blocking call. A defender doesn't have to have his feet set if he's moving with the player and the player runs him over.

watch how good Cumberland is at moving laterally off his last step so the defender is not in position for the charge. the defender is late often on Cumberland but they are still called chargers and i think it's because of Cumberlands size. That isn't dribbling into the chest of a defender, that is forcing the defender to move late and run his chest into you. That isn't the same as lowering your shoulder and running a guy over (which I agree is a charge).


I dont think the defenders or the refs give Cumberland credit for how quick he actually is with the ball in his hands.

 

[cincrulz11]

If you're looking for a good KenPom comparison to this year's UC team that has won a title, look no further than 2014 UConn.

2014 UConn: 113.0 AdjO (39), 90.9 AdjD (10)
2017 Cincy: 113.1 AdjO (42), 90.6 AdjD (7)

Those numbers for UConn also include their 6 NCAA Tournament wins.

Not trying to mislead or get people hyped, but seriously, anything can happen in the NCAA Tournament. I love March so much.

And the "anything can happen" thing is never more true than with that Uconn team. If St. Joes hits a shot at the end of regulation Uconn is out in the 1st round. That is how close it can be.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

watch how good Cumberland is at moving laterally off his last step so the defender is not in position for the charge. the defender is late often on Cumberland but they are still called chargers and i think it's because of Cumberlands size. That isn't dribbling into the chest of a defender, that is forcing the defender to move late and run his chest into you. That isn't the same as lowering your shoulder and running a guy over (which I agree is a charge).


I dont think the defenders or the refs give Cumberland credit for how quick he actually is with the ball in his hands.

Exactly. But this doesn't mean he isn't allowed to draw contact with someone who isn't in defensive position in the space where the contact happens. There a difference (most of the time) between what Cumberland does, and going out of your way to initiate the collision. Usually when Cumberland gets a charge it's when he's heading in a straight line to the hoop, and doesn't deviate from that path. Not his fault if someone gets in his way when they aren't entitled to the space bc they aren't in position. That's why it grinds my gears.