4 Out offense

[Gotcha23]

Our inability to score this season is directly related to the difference between last years team. Last year we had an actual 4 guard lineup and yancy. We ran with Cash, SK, Dion, Quon and Yancy. This year we have a three guard lineup with Titus or JJ at the 4. Neither of them can sniper from 3 point range. If you don't have four guys that can shoot the three the offense doesn't work IMO. I feel like we need to use a lineup like the below if Mick wants this offense to work;
1-Cash
2-SK
3-Quon
4-Jemaine or Shaq(if hes hitting 3's)
5-Cheik, Titus, JJ, Dave

This year I also think the offense would look much smoother with Davis at the 2 (SK and Quon at the 3 and 4) which doesn't help us any.

Thoughts???

 

[Scheids21]

Don't hate the idea, but to clarify, last year we didn't have 4 guards that could shoot the 3.

 

[TheLongHaul]

Don't hate the idea, but to clarify, last year we didn't have 4 guards that could shoot the 3.

ha, that's true...but we did have 4 guards that would shoot the 3....right now I'd love to have Titus' percentages match Dixon's.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Gotcha, are you saying Dixon was a "sniper." He shot 26% from 3 last year, although that does double Titus' 13.3% this year I don't call 26% sniper material. People called Dixon a black hole last year because he shot the most 3's and made the least. There is almost no way that Rubles could even get to 25-30% from 3 this year.

 

[Gotcha23]

Gotcha, are you saying Dixon was a "sniper." He shot 26% from 3 last year, although that does double Titus' 13.3% this year I don't call 26% sniper material. People called Dixon a black hole last year because he shot the most 3's and made the least. There is almost no way that Rubles could even get to 25-30% from 3 this year.

Maybe "sniper" wasn't the ideal wording. He was a streaky shooter though. 1-4 is better than 1-8 .

 

[JumpinJack5]

Gotcha, are you saying Dixon was a "sniper." He shot 26% from 3 last year, although that does double Titus' 13.3% this year I don't call 26% sniper material. People called Dixon a black hole last year because he shot the most 3's and made the least. There is almost no way that Rubles could even get to 25-30% from 3 this year.

Yeah, he definitely wasn't a sniper, but he had his moments. Sometimes, he looked dominant. Other days, he could've been a walk-on and I wouldn't have known the difference!

 

[Cronin crazy 5]

Our inability to score this season is directly related to the difference between last years team. Last year we had an actual 4 guard lineup and yancy. We ran with Cash, SK, Dion, Quon and Yancy. This year we have a three guard lineup with Titus or JJ at the 4. Neither of them can sniper from 3 point range. If you don't have four guys that can shoot the three the offense doesn't work IMO. I feel like we need to use a lineup like the below if Mick wants this offense to work;
1-Cash
2-SK
3-Quon
4-Jemaine or Shaq(if hes hitting 3's)
5-Cheik, Titus, JJ, Dave

This year I also think the offense would look much smoother with Davis at the 2 (SK and Quon at the 3 and 4) which doesn't help us any.

Thoughts???

cronin considers jj and rubles guards cause they can handle the ball somewhat. Rubles can shoot the three but cant make it. Having shaq in there would be more 4 guards and i agree they should start him to be considered running four guards.

 

[Cronin crazy 5]

if shaq could hold his own vs the 4s in the beast i would be up for it. Rubles would be missed alot if this happens though. Rubles should never shoot the 3 period and if he does then send shaq in it for him. As the reps and confidence come then shaq will make more of an impact. My answer give shaq sanders minutes cause he is a lost cause.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

I don't get the hatred for Sanders on this board. I've liked what I've seen from Sanders thus far. Yeah he could be better and yeah maybe we thought we'd see more out of him by now, but out of all players on the team he's the only one that seems to know where to be on the floor at all times. He doesn't attack on the offensive end (although who really does other than Rubles on this team and everyone hates him for that and maybe Parker) but he plays smart and he's made some big baskets in his limited minutes this year. He's blundered a couple in-bounds passes, he's a sophomore that didn't play alot as a freshman. I think we just like to complain for the sake of complaining.

 

[bearcat jeff]

Would not surprise me to see 4 guards today.

 

[Cronin crazy 5]

Although sanders came up with a solid performance again and a block he still is a defensive liability along with a terrible ball handler for someone his size and position. Everyone can agree he was brought in strictly for offense. His shot isnt terrible although it almost hits the ceiling. He needs to be way more aggresive on offense. He cant be in four a four guard offense. If he guards a smaller player he will get blown by and a bigger player will just out muscle him. If he can be a tony bobbit type of spot up shooter then he is going to contribute. Just dont see a very high ceiling cause his lack of athleticism.

 

[nparker1]

Although sanders came up with a solid performance again and a block he still is a defensive liability along with a terrible ball handler for someone his size and position. Everyone can agree he was brought in strictly for offense. His shot isnt terrible although it almost hits the ceiling. He needs to be way more aggresive on offense. He cant be in four a four guard offense. If he guards a smaller player he will get blown by and a bigger player will just out muscle him. If he can be a tony bobbit type of spot up shooter then he is going to contribute. Just dont see a very high ceiling cause his lack of athleticism.

I think I disagree with everything u mentioned here...Sanders is not a shot blocker, nor is he a banger...but he has played very good defense the last two games...who was the only bearcat to shadow Martin of ND?...it was Sanders...and the block tonight was huge, but i like that when the player got the ball back on the baseline, Sanders was still there to apply pressure, resulting in the guy stepping on the line...so I do not agree with u...there are many others that are more defensive liabilities than Sanders and 2, maybe 3, were in the starting lineup tonight...he didn't play like Bobbitt tonight, but did he not contribute?...as far as ball control, can anyone say he has less skills than Rubles?...he has made some really dumb sophomore mistakes, but who hasn't on this team...towards then end of the game tonight, he received a loose ball after the shot clock had reset...he didn't shoot a 3 like Guyn or Rubles would have considered...he threw the ball back out to Cash to reset the offense (if u wanna call it that)...the other thing I like about Sanders is that he seems to understand/know bball...he doesn't try to do shot fakes 27ft out from the basket...and he looks like he knows where he should be in the defensive scheme...he is finally catching up to the speed of D1 bball, and he is maturing right before our eyes...the fans are killing this kid...and in my opinion, he deserves more of a chance/break than a couple of other guys that are getting minutes...I look forward to seeing his growth in coordination with Bearcats success...

 

[Cronin crazy 5]

nparker did u even read my post.never said he was a shot blocker. Said he had a good block. Never said he was a banger. Said that if they go with him in the 4 guard lineup he isnt fast enough to guard 1 thru 3 so he would get out muscled by the 4. Yes he has had two respectable games for cincy back to back but if u watch any other games he looks as if he is going to shit his pants when the ball is in his hands. And lastly i dont think he is athletic enough to have a high enough ceiling to be a stud down the road. He will develop. But i wouldnt expect much until his sr yr. And then more than 7 to 9 pts a game will be a stretch. As for the tony bobbit comparison, where did u get that. I said if he coul have a tony bobbit type of yr he would be fine. Im not comparing there games im saying bobbit was a spot up shooter and then developed some bit of an attacking game. I think sanders could b the spot up shooter this team needs and if he does then awesome. Read the post next time b4 u reply.

 

[nparker1]

nparker did u even read my post.never said he was a shot blocker. Said he had a good block. Never said he was a banger. Said that if they go with him in the 4 guard lineup he isnt fast enough to guard 1 thru 3 so he would get out muscled by the 4. Yes he has had two respectable games for cincy back to back but if u watch any other games he looks as if he is going to shit his pants when the ball is in his hands. And lastly i dont think he is athletic enough to have a high enough ceiling to be a stud down the road. He will develop. But i wouldnt expect much until his sr yr. And then more than 7 to 9 pts a game will be a stretch. As for the tony bobbit comparison, where did u get that. I said if he coul have a tony bobbit type of yr he would be fine. Im not comparing there games im saying bobbit was a spot up shooter and then developed some bit of an attacking game. I think sanders could b the spot up shooter this team needs and if he does then awesome. Read the post next time b4 u reply.

My comment about not being a shot blocker or a banger was basically saying we know what we should expect from him based upon his size and skill set...and I would be curious to know who u see a higher ceiling for, Sanders or Rubles?...my guess is that u will say Rubles...Sanders is developing and progressing with every game...unlike a player like Rubles, he seems to learn and apply...I do not see Sanders being a spot up shooter and that is why I questioned the Bobbitt reference...when I think of Bobbitt, I think of offense only and no threat on defense...I see Sanders being a solid/reliable defender during his tenure...my main argument is that no one is giving this kid a chance because he is not flashy and has gone through some growing pains...if u want to limit his success to the last 2 games, then Mbodj and SK deserve more criticism than Sanders...in my opinion, fans, especially on this board, should be more excited to see more of Sanders and Thomas, and get off the nuts of Rubles and Guyn...at least Sanders and Thomas are showing signs of development...

 

[Cronin crazy 5]

nparker since u put the shot blocking in them terms i do agree with u. Im not bashing sanders to death like some but feel the lack of athleticism is what will be the difference of him being a star or just a good player. The argument between rubles and sanders ur making i sorta of agree also. The main difference is rubles size and athleticism vs sanders shooting past 5 feet. The higher ceiling between them two is about even although i think rubles value to this team is much higher as of right now. U made a great point that maybe sanders is adjusting to the speed and his confidence to actually shoot is higher. The thing that makes rubles more important is his rebounding and ability to attack the rack. Im not a huge fan of flashy players ( see steve logan) but until sanders learns like most uc players to move without the ball his lack of speed will hamper him going 1 on 1. If rubles had a chance to tweak his shot i would say him and shaq has the highest ceiling, but even jj reddick couldnt help his shot out.

 

[bearcat jeff]

Although sanders came up with a solid performance again and a block he still is a defensive liability along with a terrible ball handler for someone his size and position. Everyone can agree he was brought in strictly for offense. His shot isnt terrible although it almost hits the ceiling. He needs to be way more aggresive on offense. He cant be in four a four guard offense. If he guards a smaller player he will get blown by and a bigger player will just out muscle him. If he can be a tony bobbit type of spot up shooter then he is going to contribute. Just dont see a very high ceiling cause his lack of athleticism.

I keep hearing this stuff and yet he continues to make the most of his minutes. He is a basketball player and not an athlete. This team could use a couple more of them on the court more often.

 

[nparker1]

nparker since u put the shot blocking in them terms i do agree with u. Im not bashing sanders to death like some but feel the lack of athleticism is what will be the difference of him being a star or just a good player. The argument between rubles and sanders ur making i sorta of agree also. The main difference is rubles size and athleticism vs sanders shooting past 5 feet. The higher ceiling between them two is about even although i think rubles value to this team is much higher as of right now. U made a great point that maybe sanders is adjusting to the speed and his confidence to actually shoot is higher. The thing that makes rubles more important is his rebounding and ability to attack the rack. Im not a huge fan of flashy players ( see steve logan) but until sanders learns like most uc players to move without the ball his lack of speed will hamper him going 1 on 1. If rubles had a chance to tweak his shot i would say him and shaq has the highest ceiling, but even jj reddick couldnt help his shot out.

Rubles may attack the lane, but he has no strategy once he gets to the rim...he was 1-2 from 2ft or less yesterday...he has not shown he can finish with consistency...his rebounding was higher yesterday for two reasons: Rutgers and UC missed a lot of shots and SK only had 1 rebound while he was stuck in his la-la land

 

[UCalum08]

Rubles may attack the lane, but he has no strategy once he gets to the rim...he was 1-2 from 2ft or less yesterday...he has not shown he can finish with consistency...his rebounding was higher yesterday for two reasons: Rutgers and UC missed a lot of shots and SK only had 1 rebound while he was stuck in his la-la land

Rubles gets to the basket then shoots a one legged fade away, layup jumper lob type shot aka no chance. It is really a bad sloppy habit he has developed that probably worked in HS and JUCO. He needs to elevate over or into the defender. He has the size and hops to do it.

 

[bearcat jeff]

I like things Rubles brings to the game. He simply hasn't learned to play within himself yet but he does rebound and defend. Think he will be better toward the end of the season and into next season. He has the tools to score a lot of points from 5-10 feet.

 

[TheLongHaul]

I keep hearing this stuff and yet he continues to make the most of his minutes. He is a basketball player and not an athlete. This team could use a couple more of them on the court more often.

is making the most of your minutes considered giving up a crucial rebound to a Pitt player, then throwing the ball right back to them on the in bounds? Or doing the same thing in a crucial moment against ND?

He had a decent game yet, but so fart that's about all he has done. Hopefully he improves to the point where UC can rely on him.