When did I ever say Huggins was a great offensive coach? I said he came to the wrong school. Mick is made from the same cloth as Huggins. Play defense as hard as you can and we'll worry about scoring after.
Also, if Huggins best players stayed 4 years like Mick you don't think so of them would be higher?
Hmmm. I wasn’t responding to you.
I’m a cane Broome fan.
But I was responding to the comment that if your a scorer you picked the wrong team.
Which is crazy considering our former coach has 3 players on the UC’s top 10 all time scoring list:
#2 SK
#4 Deonta Vaughn
#7 Jarron Cumberland
30% of UC’s all time scoring leaders played for Mick
2 played for Huggins
Yancy # 16
Gary #17
Troy 24
Cash 25
Yea. If you can score don’t go play for mick lol
You love your Huggs jabs. If Mick could recruit or coach like Bob Huggins no one would ever complain about his teams....that's a fact you'll have to live with Justin.
Just because you buy tickets...and buy synergy and KP.....doesn't make you a smarter better fan than everyone. We are all living it. We saw what Huggs was, what Mick was, and we are excited for CJB.
That's why your a keyboard hero all day....because the majority of your arguments are incorrect. You have bias because you got attached to college hoops while Mick was the coach. You'll be okay.
Not going to go too deep into this.
But here is Huggs last 9 years at UC:
97: 3 seed lost in 2nd round 6 seed
98: 2 seed lost n 2nd round to 10 seed
99: 3 seed lost in 2nd round to 6 seed
00: 2 seed lost in 2nd round to 7 seed
01: 5 Seed, Made sweet 16
02: 1 seed, lost in 2nd round to 8 seed
03: 8 seed, lost in 1st round to 9 seed
04: 4 seed, lost in 2nd round to 5 seed
05: 7 seed, lost in 2nd round to 2 seed
1 Time exceeding expectations in 9 years
1 time meeting expectations in 9 years
7 times failing to meet expectations in 9 years
6 times was a top 4 seed and didn't even make the 2nd weekend.
Defend it please.
Because the other defense of this.. is that he earned some capital with what he did in the first part of his career.
He was a joke in the tourney. A bigger Joke than even Mick was in his last 9 years.
Huggs has been a high level coach for 29 seasons.
He's been to:
2 Final 4's
2 Elite 8's
5 Sweet 16's
So that's 9 trips to at least the sweet 16 in 29 years.
So with Huggs as your coach, you're going to a S16 probably once every 3 seasons. Not to mention mixing in some E8's and F4s.
As you pointed out, he had some bad tournament runs. But those teams were awesome with NBA talent and made UC a NATIONAL brand. So even with your argument of under-peformance, my initial stats are still accurate. S16 once every 3 years.
Better than 1 S16 in 13 years.
A national brand that was became known for Choking.
His first half of his career was elite. The 2nd half he dominated Conference USA with good players who always seemed to suck in the 2nd round of the tourney.
He was a hungry coach when he first got to Cincinnati. But after he developed the brand, it seems he just wanted to end the season in early march so he could go get drunk.
Look Im just pointing out that if you are an Alpha dog scorer, then Mick Cronin will feature you in his lineup.
Was mick great at offense? ABSOLUTELY NOT
But if you were wired to score, was Mick great putting the ball in your hands and letting you work? Absolutely.
If you wanted to go to a high scoring fast paced team, then I would say don't pick mick Cronin at cincinnati. But if you can score, Mick will let you score.
Mick will typically let 1 person score. Outside of the 1 year we've pretty always been a one player centric offense. And again, you brought Mick into this not me. But wait you NEVER do that, yea?
A national brand that was became known for Choking.
His first half of his career was elite. The 2nd half he dominated Conference USA with good players who always seemed to suck in the 2nd round of the tourney.
He was a hungry coach when he first got to Cincinnati. But after he developed the brand, it seems he just wanted to end the season in early march so he could go get drunk.
Honest question, were you old enough to actually remember those Huggins teams? I’m genuinely curious. I am. Those teams were awesome. They were regularly in the top 10. Yes they lost in the tourney.but if we are comparing eras, it’s not even close. I know it was a different time.
I agree it went downhill at the end. I think the Kenyon thing broke him. Kinda like I think the Nevada game hurt mick. After both of those things, I think both just wanted a change. It’s so hard at a school like Cincinnati to get teams like those. It has to hurt.
Not going to go too deep into this.
But here is Huggs last 9 years at UC:
97: 3 seed lost in 2nd round 6 seed
98: 2 seed lost n 2nd round to 10 seed
99: 3 seed lost in 2nd round to 6 seed
00: 2 seed lost in 2nd round to 7 seed
01: 5 Seed, Made sweet 16
02: 1 seed, lost in 2nd round to 8 seed
03: 8 seed, lost in 1st round to 9 seed
04: 4 seed, lost in 2nd round to 5 seed
05: 7 seed, lost in 2nd round to 2 seed
1 Time exceeding expectations in 9 years
1 time meeting expectations in 9 years
7 times failing to meet expectations in 9 years
6 times was a top 4 seed and didn't even make the 2nd weekend.
Defend it please.
Because the other defense of this.. is that he earned some capital with what he did in the first part of his career.
He was a joke in the tourney. A bigger Joke than even Mick was in his last 9 years.
Also, as you post these numbers, this is why fans are ok with trying something different. Between mick and Huggins, we’ve been to what 18 tournaments and have 2 sweet 16s to show for it. I would guess that’s one of the worst runs of any teams ever in the tournament. Not saying it’s guaranteed to work but you have to understand the frustration of that.
I get the frustration.
And if Brannen is the guy who delivers in that area then he gets my support. But I’m well past the point of wanting mick back and also I’m not at the fire Brannen stage.
Im squarely in the critique a coach the way I critiqued mick. I mean, people seem to forget that I voiced very vocal complaints about the team across town seemingly always able to land top tier talent and us always turning over rocks looking for hidden gems. Mick’s recruiting always bothered me. Not that he couldn’t land talent: it’s that I believe that the key to a successful tourney run is a stacked recruiting class every 2 to 3 years. Mick just wanted one major contributor in every class and the rest role players.
I always bitched about the 300+ games on the schedule too.
Like people act like I was a mick Cronin ball sack licker when he was here. I wasn’t. I called out the program when I thought I needed to.
And 1 year of Brannen ball, I do have concerns. Not fire able concerns just concerns. I don’t just hand over the reigns to a program I care so much about and not have reservations.
I get the frustration.
And if Brannen is the guy who delivers in that area then he gets my support. But I’m well past the point of wanting mick back and also I’m not at the fire Brannen stage.
Im squarely in the critique a coach the way I critiqued mick. I mean, people seem to forget that I voiced very vocal complaints about the team across town seemingly always able to land top tier talent and us always turning over rocks looking for hidden gems. Mick’s recruiting always bothered me. Not that he couldn’t land talent: it’s that I believe that the key to a successful tourney run is a stacked recruiting class every 2 to 3 years. Mick just wanted one major contributor in every class and the rest role players.
I always bitched about the 300+ games on the schedule too.
Like people act like I was a mick Cronin ball sack licker when he was here. I wasn’t. I called out the program when I thought I needed to.
And 1 year of Brannen ball, I do have concerns. Not fire able concerns just concerns. I don’t just hand over the reigns to a program I care so much about and not have reservations.
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