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UCalum08 said:
Exactly! Just bc Houston won one game doesn't mean anything in terms of B12. Who knows, beating OU could hurt them. OU's season is wrecked and they probably hate Houston now lol. Houston as a football program is where we were 8 years ago. It sucks they are getting the attention right now at this time but it is what it is. Maybe our team should man up and beat them. It's a home game for us, no excuse not to. Will we? That's debatable but certainly possible.
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I love Brian Kelly, but he was just an offensive guy. We were never going to beat top competition trying to outscore everyone in a finesse game. Houston punched Oklahoma in the mouth and was clearly the most physical team. They are built to be a national title contending type team, we were a flukey offensive team. They've surpassed anything we did under Kelly...
 
Really don' think expansion to the Big 12 decision will hang on who has the best football season this year.
 
Bearcat_NTS said:
I love Brian Kelly, but he was just an offensive guy. We were never going to beat top competition trying to outscore everyone in a finesse game. Houston punched Oklahoma in the mouth and was clearly the most physical team. They are built to be a national title contending type team, we were a flukey offensive team. They've surpassed anything we did under Kelly...
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I agree with that but it all worked together. It also helped he inherited some decent defensive players too. During those "glory" years we were able to put pressure on the QB. Which led to some pretty good relevant NFL Bearcats. I basically forget what it's like to actually be able to blitz. It's been non existent for us for awhile.
 
Anybody who doesnt think Houston beating Oklahoma yesterday matters is mistaken in my opinion. Other than sharing more money, which could be a wash if you add revenue stream with new teams, the biggest reason not to expand is it would weaken the conference adding "inferior" teams. Well your best team just got beat by a team you are thinking of adding. Perception is everything. Perception just changed. At first I was thinking we needed Houston to get beat bad, but then I thought when we lose to them next week, how would it look on us to lose bad to a team that lost bad to one of their schools. Now Houston should come in as a top 10 school and tuberville won't be able to under motivate them, so at least we'll play hard and hungry. If we could beat them great, but even a loss, if close won't look bad. No, one game won't seal our fate or Houston's but if you don't think some of these schools presidents aren't looking at Houston different this morning you are mistaken.
 
david aka the TYZ said:
Anybody who doesnt think Houston beating Oklahoma yesterday matters is mistaken in my opinion. Other than sharing more money, which could be a wash if you add revenue stream with new teams, the biggest reason not to expand is it would weaken the conference adding "inferior" teams. Well your best team just got beat by a team you are thinking of adding. Perception is everything. Perception just changed. At first I was thinking we needed Houston to get beat bad, but then I thought when we lose to them next week, how would it look on us to lose bad to a team that lost bad to one of their schools. Now Houston should come in as a top 10 school and tuberville won't be able to under motivate them, so at least we'll play hard and hungry. If we could beat them great, but even a loss, if close won't look bad. No, one game won't seal our fate or Houston's but if you don't think some of these schools presidents aren't looking at Houston different this morning you are mistaken.
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Without a doubt. Saw on Twitter that it was the highest rated game of the weekend. And there were some big time markets playing each other. That doesn't go unnoticed
 
Changed my Mind

I still believe Kiel is a better option. Ask yourself if you didn't feel we had a better chance of winning each and every game last year that Kiel started, than we do now. That doesn't mean Moore is bad. As of now, I feel UC will win the following games: Miami, Oh; UConn; Temple; UCF---that's it---4-8. Hardly believe I'm saying that, and hope I'm dead wrong.
 
david aka the TYZ said:
Anybody who doesnt think Houston beating Oklahoma yesterday matters is mistaken in my opinion. Other than sharing more money, which could be a wash if you add revenue stream with new teams, the biggest reason not to expand is it would weaken the conference adding "inferior" teams. Well your best team just got beat by a team you are thinking of adding. Perception is everything. Perception just changed. At first I was thinking we needed Houston to get beat bad, but then I thought when we lose to them next week, how would it look on us to lose bad to a team that lost bad to one of their schools. Now Houston should come in as a top 10 school and tuberville won't be able to under motivate them, so at least we'll play hard and hungry. If we could beat them great, but even a loss, if close won't look bad. No, one game won't seal our fate or Houston's but if you don't think some of these schools presidents aren't looking at Houston different this morning you are mistaken.
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Definitely agree David. I've heard so many times on podcasts that it's not worth expanding bc no schools raise the level of the conference. Houston has beat Florida State and Oklahoma in its last 2 games.
 
david aka the TYZ said:
Anybody who doesnt think Houston beating Oklahoma yesterday matters is mistaken in my opinion. Other than sharing more money, which could be a wash if you add revenue stream with new teams, the biggest reason not to expand is it would weaken the conference adding "inferior" teams. Well your best team just got beat by a team you are thinking of adding. Perception is everything. Perception just changed. At first I was thinking we needed Houston to get beat bad, but then I thought when we lose to them next week, how would it look on us to lose bad to a team that lost bad to one of their schools. Now Houston should come in as a top 10 school and tuberville won't be able to under motivate them, so at least we'll play hard and hungry. If we could beat them great, but even a loss, if close won't look bad. No, one game won't seal our fate or Houston's but if you don't think some of these schools presidents aren't looking at Houston different this morning you are mistaken.
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David it will still come down to who offers the best revenue stream without hurting the other members. That's my opinion.
 
I don't discount anything anyone has said about "perception". The optics of yesterday's game at NRG were very positive for Houston. What sucks for them is that their campus and academics are a drag on that league. Not to mention their basketball program.

Also keep in mind that we don't have to go back very far in the time machine to a time when our guys were a missed FG from playing in the NC game, played in the Sugar Bowl against a good Florida team (and lost, I'm aware). But our fan base took over New Orleans. When we've had similar neutral site opportunities against Ohio State and the like, Paul Brown Stadium was filled.

Houston took advantage of their Peach Bowl opportunity and another great opportunity against Oklahoma. Give them credit. But it's a snapshot in time. Attendance at UH games and television ratings were in the toilet for them as recently as 2 seasons ago. In that time UC has done solid if not spectacular things in both football and basketball.

The starburst effect is on UH's side right now. The advantage in longevity and consistency is clearly UC's. We'll see how many people UH puts in the stands against Lamar and after Texas scoops up their coach after this season.
 
WAITE HOYT 2 said:
David it will still come down to who offers the best revenue stream without hurting the other members. That's my opinion.
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I agree as well, my point is more the need to expand might seem more evident and Houston is an easy sell right now. Houston doesn't add new revenue period. They're already in the market. But the decision to expand has become unique in the big 12 to a voting game of who do you want. Houston just raised everyone's eyebrows. I want a vote and answer right now, but the further removed from yesterday's game the decision is the better for us against houston. Emotions play as much into decisions as anything. That goes in all walks of life. Once the season progresses this game becomes more an isolated incident. Today it's all anyone can talk about. Just think if Oklahoma wins big 12 (which they are considered favorites) yesterday's loss could push them out of playoff.
 
58,000 at Paul Brown in 2010 for a 2 point loss to Oklahoma. That was a 4 win Cincinnati team as I recall.
 
Week 1 attendance (Houston game excluded):
ECU 44,161
Memphis 42,876
UCF 36,260
USF 35,976
Temple 34,005
UConn 29,377
UC 28,520
Navy 28,328
Tulsa 18,748
 
A few good chances for AAC teams today:

Temple @ Penn State
Virginia @ UConn
South Florida @ Syracuse
East Carolina @ South Carolina
Maryland @ Central Florida
 

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