ACC to sign GOR

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cincycpaw said:
This is bad news. Also shows you just how horrible the Big East leadership has been.
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To be fair, there was only so much anybody could do about it.
This is what happens when you're league claims to have football on it's mind, yet takes it's orders from a bunch of catholic basketball schools.
Had we been able to keep together TCU, Boise and the rest, it would have been nice. However, had the conference not been so lax in it's efforts after the first raid...

No point in getting mad about that now though.
 
Nomadic1 said:
Well now, that's the real crux of it all. If the Big 12 wants to have a championship game, the NCAA has ruled that it will have to have 12 members.
By denying the Big 12's waiver(assuming it does), it may be the case they go on to invite 2 more.
I don't think we should sit around counting on it. Still very much possible though.
Best thing we can do, is continue to win and try to get into the playoffs as often as possible. Winning cures all. Problem is, after Tuberville leaves, will we be able to guarantee this is still a desirable place to coach?

If not, scrap the football program.
And yes, the ACC would be a much better fit than any other conference.(save for perhaps the Big 1G.)
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The Big 12 isn't proactive, they will sit at 10 because there isn't a school available that will increase their pay out per team. There are some rumors that they are interested in getting more bowl games in Florida, if you read between the lines maybe they'd consider adding UCF and/or USF.
 
Bearcat_NTS said:
The Big 12 isn't proactive, they will sit at 10 because there isn't a school available that will increase their pay out per team. There are some rumors that they are interested in getting more bowl games in Florida, if you read between the lines maybe they'd consider adding UCF and/or USF.
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The Big 12 is going to need a conference champion to stay relevant in the playoff discussion. That's why I think a move will come sooner rather than later. It is true that they're looking for bowls people will want to drive too, I have a tough time believing they'd take Tampa AND Orlando though.
 
Nomadic1 said:
To be fair, there was only so much anybody could do about it.
This is what happens when you're league claims to have football on it's mind, yet takes it's orders from a bunch of catholic basketball schools.
Had we been able to keep together TCU, Boise and the rest, it would have been nice. However, had the conference not been so lax in it's efforts after the first raid...

No point in getting mad about that now though.
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...Make that your* not "you're" :mad:
 
Bearcat_NTS said:
All 15 members of the ACC have agreed to sign a GOR. That means Cincinnati is stuck in The American for the long haul.
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Typical, as usual, Bearcat_NTS is a Debbie Downer. GOR means that the current teams cannot leave, not that they cannot add teams. There are currently 15 teams, that's a bad number. Whose to say they don't want to add a team or two? Also, the B12 and B10 might not be finished. This isn't good news, but the sky is not falling. You act as if the ACC is set in stone-it might be, but if you have followed conference realignment, you can't predict what will happen next, for good or bad.
 
The ACC GOR means it is just harder for other conferences to poach from the ACC. THe B12 needs a CCG, they need 2 more schools to make that happen. So, Miami and FSU off the table now, who do they go for? THe ACC is at 15 schools, bad number, who do they add? UC/UConn/USF? The SEC could be looking to expand in Ohio also. Would upgrade their bball, if in a division with Vandy/UK/USC/Tenn not a bad travel scenario. FB would be brutal but Cincy would improve as it did in the BE. Would also compete for recruits with OSU possibly taking some away from them and they would have footprint in middle of B1g country. Both Whit and Tuberville have connections in the SEC also.
 
Hopefully it works out

Although most WVU fans are happy with the Big 12 move we feel left on an island. Personally I am hoping the new playoff system will require the conference to go to 12 teams. I would very much like to see UC and UConn added. This would allow WVU to retain some sense of an eastern identity. Hopefully the conference will see the benefits of branching out into new territories.
 
Screw it. Both programs are on the rise and there's no doubt in my mind we are set to dominate this league. Go Bearcats dammit.
 
We can beat it to death, the bottom line guys is it is what it is at this point. Let's win the league and stay viable. There are still some good programs in the league and UC, UConn, Memphis, Temple will give us a solid top 4 yearly. All you can do is play where you are and win.
 
bearcat jeff said:
We can beat it to death, the bottom line guys is it is what it is at this point. Let's win the league and stay viable. There are still some good programs in the league and UC, UConn, Memphis, Temple will give us a solid top 4 yearly. All you can do is play where you are and win.
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That is not all you can do. But certainly Whit and Santa seem to be doing all the other stuff they can as well.

Such a disappointing situation. It be different if UC hadn't shown it could win at the Big East level in football.
 
JumpinJack5 said:
Typical, as usual, Bearcat_NTS is a Debbie Downer. GOR means that the current teams cannot leave, not that they cannot add teams. There are currently 15 teams, that's a bad number. Whose to say they don't want to add a team or two? Also, the B12 and B10 might not be finished. This isn't good news, but the sky is not falling. You act as if the ACC is set in stone-it might be, but if you have followed conference realignment, you can't predict what will happen next, for good or bad.
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I have proven to be 100% accurate in conference realignment. I tried to tell you all that the ACC wasn't going to lose any more schools beyond Maryland (who had a B1G alum at Provost and deep financial debt), while WVU bloggers were telling us how the ACC was going to get raided to oblivion. However unrealistic it may be, the ACC will not elect to add any teams with hopes that they can convince Notre Dame to join as a full member. This is what the B1G did for years (which is why they remained at 11 for so long). In the event that ND did elect to join for all sports, I would say the ACC would like to pair them with Connecticut (if not in B1G by then). Cincinnati would likely be the 2nd or 3rd choice.

Please do not try to call out a poster of my caliber.
 
I really don't see how this changes our plan going forward at all. It makes it less likely that the ACC is going to add us since they aren't going to be losing any members but our plan should remain the same. I still don't think us getting an eventual nod to the ACC is out of the question. If the ACC does move towards starting their own network, as has been rumored, then we still stand a good chance of getting an invite. If the ACC has their own network and can grow revenue through expansion (ALA the B1G) then we would be a likely target for that expansion.

I no longer see the Big 12 as a valid option and frankly I'm not sure I'd want to join that league anyways. It's kind of hard to be relevant in a league like the Big 12 when your in Ohio and the core members are all located in the west. Look at WVU, they're going to be set back quite a bit before they are at a point where they can take a step forward.

UC Football will just have to schedule marquee out of conference games and hope that we are the next Boise State, in BBall we're just back to the C-USA days.
 
JackBauer151 said:
Andy Katz on Uc and Uconn staying relevant...

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebask...844/3-point-shot-no-purgatory-for-uconn-cincy
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Being in the American isn't bad for basketball. One could actually argue that it is better for basketball. UC should have no issues making the NCAA Tourney in this new league and that can help with recruiting just like being in the best league can help with recruiting (see: Cincinnati circa CUSA years). The ACC would be fun but might not be the best thing for basketball. It would have been the best thing for football for sure.

UC is in a position where football is going to be at risk. Unless an invite to the ACC comes (which could still happen), it would be difficult for UC to compete on a regular basis in the other leagues. I think UC could do well in the Big 10 but they aren't getting an invite there so it doesn't matter. SEC, UC would get killed, especially early on and they wouldn't compete with Alabama and Florida on a regular basis. They might have a year here or there but that's about it. It would be similar in the Big 12 though that would be better than the SEC. UC would fare well in any league they go to for basketball. They would be a perennial power in the SEC and Big 12.
 
"Cincinnati is now arguably the most valuable piece below that Mendoza Line. The program has a recent proven record of football excellence -- having at least shared four of the last five Big East titles. It also has some measure of TV attraction according to those media consultants. Relegated to the AAC, Cincinnati and UConn have had no shame about openly campaigning to get out in order to move up to a BCS conference."

This is a good read from Dennis Dodd. http://www.cbssports.com/columns/st...ences-break-away-from-ncaa-in-a-way-they-have
 
Big Ten looking at Vandy as a potential expansion target. http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2013/4/23/4256822/big-ten-vanderbilt-expansion-conference-realignment

I have a hard time believing realignment is done because the Big Ten doesn't seem content. Could the SEC want to invade "Big Ten Country" as payback should this go down? UC would have to be the prime target if so. I don't think an SEC school would leave for the Big Ten, but if there was one who would have to consider it, it would be Vandy.
 
The ACC GOR agreement doesn't stop them from expanding it creates a deterrant from schools leaving. Is it possible that the ACC just wanted to get it's house in order before a possible expansion to 16 teams?
 
Well it looks like the Ralph is the one guy who had it correct all along, the ACC is a solid group and will not be raided by other Power 5 Conferences.
 

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