ACC to sign GOR

[JumpinJack5]

I have proven to be 100% accurate in conference realignment. I tried to tell you all that the ACC wasn't going to lose any more schools beyond Maryland (who had a B1G alum at Provost and deep financial debt), while WVU bloggers were telling us how the ACC was going to get raided to oblivion. However unrealistic it may be, the ACC will not elect to add any teams with hopes that they can convince Notre Dame to join as a full member. This is what the B1G did for years (which is why they remained at 11 for so long). In the event that ND did elect to join for all sports, I would say the ACC would like to pair them with Connecticut (if not in B1G by then). Cincinnati would likely be the 2nd or 3rd choice.

Please do not try to call out a poster of my caliber.

Sorry for calling you out, your highness. I guess you have never been wrong before in your life, Mr. 100% Accurate. There is still a chance UC goes to the ACC-it is a much smaller chance than it was before, but there is still a chance. There are multiple scenarios that could be valid-1) going to the B12, going to the B10, going to the SEC (very small chance), or possibly forming a new conference with a few of the other rejects (South Florida, UCONN, UNM, UNLV, Boise St., BYU, San Diego St., UC, Memphis, etc. with an Wast and West Division). Realistically, I see UC staying put or going to the B12/10. ACC is not completely out of the picture, I would give us a moderate chance, but fading fast, for getting into the ACC. Remember, this is realignment, not even top officials at these institutions know exactly what will happen, let alone a big mouth, know-it-all on a forum........

 

[JumpinJack5]

Well it looks like the Ralph is the one guy who had it correct all along, the ACC is a solid group and will not be raided by other Power 5 Conferences.

Doesn't mean they won't take anybody else, but yes, you were right.

 

[joshuag12000]

Being in the American isn't bad for basketball. One could actually argue that it is better for basketball. UC should have no issues making the NCAA Tourney in this new league and that can help with recruiting just like being in the best league can help with recruiting (see: Cincinnati circa CUSA years). The ACC would be fun but might not be the best thing for basketball. It would have been the best thing for football for sure.

UC is in a position where football is going to be at risk. Unless an invite to the ACC comes (which could still happen), it would be difficult for UC to compete on a regular basis in the other leagues. I think UC could do well in the Big 10 but they aren't getting an invite there so it doesn't matter. SEC, UC would get killed, especially early on and they wouldn't compete with Alabama and Florida on a regular basis. They might have a year here or there but that's about it. It would be similar in the Big 12 though that would be better than the SEC. UC would fare well in any league they go to for basketball. They would be a perennial power in the SEC and Big 12.

I agree that no matter where they end up basketball will be fine because good teams make it into the tournament no matter what conference they are in. I disagree on your assessment of the football side though. In football it's all about access to bowl games. They may not be able to be a perennial powerhouse in a conference like the SEC or Big 12, but they can still manage decent seasons and get into decent bowls from there and have the opportunity at least to occassionally make a BCS game (if that's what they are still called). Add into that the additional revenue from television and increased crowds at games against marquee conference opponents and we have something to build on. People seem to hold up the SEC as an elite conference based on their past records in championship games and they do have a lot of good teams, but they also have their fair share of bottom feeders which UC has already shown they can compete with. Also we haven't exactly been picked to be the powerhouse in the Big East since we've joined yet we've managed to take a share of four of the last five championships. It would just be nice to have the opportunity to compete.

I think the most frustrating thing in all of this is the growth UC has had since joining the Big East has been amazing. We were just getting used to going to BCS games and competing for a chance to go every year and now the big boys have decided to take that all away and leave us out. Winning our league has become less important now because we have to also be ranked higher than everyone else to get in. No matter what though we have to make the most of what ever situation we are in or we will be back to being irrelevant in football, but I guess then it doesn't matter what conference we are in. I hope that doesn't happen.

 

[JasonS]

I agree that no matter where they end up basketball will be fine because good teams make it into the tournament no matter what conference they are in. I disagree on your assessment of the football side though. In football it's all about access to bowl games. They may not be able to be a perennial powerhouse in a conference like the SEC or Big 12, but they can still manage decent seasons and get into decent bowls from there and have the opportunity at least to occassionally make a BCS game (if that's what they are still called). Add into that the additional revenue from television and increased crowds at games against marquee conference opponents and we have something to build on. People seem to hold up the SEC as an elite conference based on their past records in championship games and they do have a lot of good teams, but they also have their fair share of bottom feeders which UC has already shown they can compete with. Also we haven't exactly been picked to be the powerhouse in the Big East since we've joined yet we've managed to take a share of four of the last five championships. It would just be nice to have the opportunity to compete.

I think the most frustrating thing in all of this is the growth UC has had since joining the Big East has been amazing. We were just getting used to going to BCS games and competing for a chance to go every year and now the big boys have decided to take that all away and leave us out. Winning our league has become less important now because we have to also be ranked higher than everyone else to get in. No matter what though we have to make the most of what ever situation we are in or we will be back to being irrelevant in football, but I guess then it doesn't matter what conference we are in. I hope that doesn't happen.

In order for UC to make it to a "BCS" game, they will have to beat out 60+ other schools that aren't in a Power 5 conference. In doing that, they will get a spot in a good game but almost assuredly not a spot in the 4 team playoff. By all accounts, it will be virtually impossible for a school outside of the Power 5 to get one of those 4 spots.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Well it looks like the Ralph is the one guy who had it correct all along, the ACC is a solid group and will not be raided by other Power 5 Conferences.

I have been saying the same. Maryland had a unique circumstance that forced them to make the short sighted decision to leave all their natural rivals and history for more projected dollars.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Sorry for calling you out, your highness. I guess you have never been wrong before in your life, Mr. 100% Accurate. There is still a chance UC goes to the ACC-it is a much smaller chance than it was before, but there is still a chance. There are multiple scenarios that could be valid-1) going to the B12, going to the B10, going to the SEC (very small chance), or possibly forming a new conference with a few of the other rejects (South Florida, UCONN, UNM, UNLV, Boise St., BYU, San Diego St., UC, Memphis, etc. with an Wast and West Division). Realistically, I see UC staying put or going to the B12/10. ACC is not completely out of the picture, I would give us a moderate chance, but fading fast, for getting into the ACC. Remember, this is realignment, not even top officials at these institutions know exactly what will happen, let alone a big mouth, know-it-all on a forum........

LOL what nonsense. Cincinnati will remain in The American unless a miracle scenario occurs and they accept an invite to one of the Power 5 conferences. There is virtually no chance at the B1G and SEC, perhaps a 1% chance at the Big 12 and maybe a 5-10% chance at the ACC. Sorry, this is just the reality of the situation. The American will be Cincinnati's long term home.

 

[JumpinJack5]

LOL what nonsense. Cincinnati will remain in The American unless a miracle scenario occurs and they accept an invite to one of the Power 5 conferences. There is virtually no chance at the B1G and SEC, perhaps a 1% chance at the Big 12 and maybe a 5-10% chance at the ACC. Sorry, this is just the reality of the situation. The American will be Cincinnati's long term home.

40%-American
21%-ACC
21%-B12
16%-B10
2%-SEC

Those are my odds....

 

[JasonS]

40%-American
21%-ACC
21%-B12
16%-B10
2%-SEC

Those are my odds....

Turn the Big Ten to .001% and make the SEC 5% and maybe you are close. The Big Ten won't happen. Period. The SEC only happens IF they want some presence in Ohio.

American - 55%
ACC - 20%
Big 12 - 20%
SEC - 5%
Big Ten - 0% (rounded)

I still think the ACC or Big 12 will add teams and if that happens UC gets an invite to one of those. It might not be as quick as we all hoped but probably within the next 4-5 years. The ACC will realize the scheduling issues with 15 teams and the Big 12 will come to the conclusion that a Championship game is necessary.

 

[joshuag12000]

In order for UC to make it to a "BCS" game, they will have to beat out 60+ other schools that aren't in a Power 5 conference. In doing that, they will get a spot in a good game but almost assuredly not a spot in the 4 team playoff. By all accounts, it will be virtually impossible for a school outside of the Power 5 to get one of those 4 spots.

In their current situation that is correct and they have to beat out those 60+ teams by popular opinion not by performance on the field which is what sucks. It's even more of a magnified problem when talking about the 4 team playoff as they have to win the popularity contest over the champions of the top 5 conferences. With all the conference realignment money grab going on and collusion of the top 5 deciding who has access to it by securinig multiple auto bids per conference to the major bowl games and restricting who can join the elite conferences it's surprising there hasn't been an antitrust suit from any smaller conference schools before.

 

[bearcat jeff]

It will all come down to OOC scheduling for both basketball and football. To position yourself well you have to up the competition out of league now. Especially in football where you don't get many OOC chances. You have to make them count.

 

[Scheids21]

Gotta love people claiming things "will" happen and "I told you so" when it comes to conference realignment; it's truly embarrassing. No one knows, no matter how much you follow it.

 

[ralph1950]

Gotta love people claiming things "will" happen and "I told you so" when it comes to conference realignment; it's truly embarrassing. No one knows, no matter how much you follow it.

I knew, been posting for months on this board that ACC was solid and would not break up.

 

[Cataclysmo]

I knew, been posting for months on this board that ACC was solid and would not break up.

Really? I actually missed the last 10022042540392 posts about it from you.

 

[Bcatfollower]

It will all come down to OOC scheduling for both basketball and football. To position yourself well you have to up the competition out of league now. Especially in football where you don't get many OOC chances. You have to make them count.

True, but if U.C. maintains some success you will see the power conference schools shy away from scheduling them. Why would they want to risk there season by a loss to a non power conference school. Boise has had same problem.

 

[bearcat jeff]

True, but if U.C. maintains some success you will see the power conference schools shy away from scheduling them. Why would they want to risk there season by a loss to a non power conference school. Boise has had same problem.

I don't know, Gonzaga and Butler seem to have no problem scheduling.

 

[JasonS]

I don't know, Gonzaga and Butler seem to have no problem scheduling.

UC has been able to schedule better of late anyway. The program is in a position where it is viewed as a good win when a program beats UC. That's why they are able to schedule games like Michigan, etc.

 

[JumpinJack5]

True, but if U.C. maintains some success you will see the power conference schools shy away from scheduling them. Why would they want to risk there season by a loss to a non power conference school. Boise has had same problem.

That was just as bad if a problem when we were in the BE-look at how OSU wouldn't play us in football and how UK won't play us in basketball. It will still be a problem, but moving down might cause the big schools to be less reluctant to play us, they have less to lose because they won't view us as a threat.

 

[Hicks' Guns]

Feels like we are screwed. I just read the Pac-12, Big 12, Big 10 and now the ACC all have Grants of Rights. Hadn't heard that term before but it sounds like it makes the schools within those conference fairly worthless to a new conference (at least for the duration of the TV deal).

With the ACC having 15 members...maybe they want to get to 16. But to me, it's not a no-brianer that the 16th would be us.

In the BIG...we don't add much value

The Big 12 is too far away...the PAC 12 is further

SEC...as people have mentioned is a pipe dream.

Just catching up but it sounds like we went from having a good chance to have the ACC raided and joining a conference that was of a similar degree of quality of our former Big East conference...to having an outside chance at the ACC...and a very minimal chance at another conference.

In sum...poop

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Gotta love people claiming things "will" happen and "I told you so" when it comes to conference realignment; it's truly embarrassing. No one knows, no matter how much you follow it.

A little common sense goes a long way, rather than basing things based on hope (like UC, UConn and WVU fans) some of us base things on reality. Sorry, you can't do the same...

 

[Bcatfollower]

I don't know, Gonzaga and Butler seem to have no problem scheduling.

Football Jeff, Football.