Big 12

[Patrick Bateman]

TCU is the one that irks me, they get an invite due to being in transition and having no exit fee and Andy Dalton's hair and now they are in UT's pockets.

Texas doesn't have to care, they will have a landing spot now matter what happens, Iowa State, Kansas State, Okla State may not have landing places so they are looking out for themselves.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

I don't have a clue what BYU will or won't do but here is why I think it's 4 or nothing (and probably a coin flip at this point).

- UC and UCONN have the widest support among presidents but both do not have 8 votes so expansion can't happen with those two. (UC is around 7 or 8 positive votes and UCONN is slightly less from what I am hearing/reading).

- Houston cannot get in to the Big 12 unless it expands by 4. Non-Texas based schools will only allow Houston as part of a compromise to get to 14.

- Texas refuses to vote in favor of expansion for any combination of schools unless it includes Houston. Therefore, no expansion by 2. Must be 4 or none.

- Big 12 schools are in favor of expansion but can't agree on the number of schools. UC/UCONN/BYU have the most support. Texas has enough support in conference to block expansion without Houston.

- Big 12 is ready to move on expansion if BYU would make a public statement regarding their honor code. BYU seems hesitant to do this. Without that, the Big 12 presidents are deathly afraid of the backlash that no doubt would be coming their way.

So you follow Flugaur also

 

[JasonS]

So you follow Flugaur also

Who? Not sure who that is but if they have good info, I'll have to check it out.

With all due respect, this isn't rocket science. It's pretty simple. There are a lot of people with good information out there. When you put it all together, it's pretty easy to see why this thing is such a mess.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Who? Not sure who that is but if they have good info, I'll have to check it out.

With all due respect, this isn't rocket science. It's pretty simple. There are a lot of people with good information out there. When you put it all together, it's pretty easy to see why this thing is such a mess.

Greg Flugaur

@flugempire

He said everything you did almost verbatim that is why I thought that.

 

[JasonS]

Greg Flugaur

@flugempire

He said everything you did almost verbatim that is why I thought that.

Cool. Thanks.

I will say this, if expansion doesn't happen, start printing your Oklahoma to the SEC t-shirts and then it will be a battle royal for Texas between the B1G and ACC. Fox and ESPN will be fighting hard.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Cool. Thanks.

I will say this, if expansion doesn't happen, start printing your Oklahoma to the SEC t-shirts and then it will be a battle royal for Texas between the B1G and ACC. Fox and ESPN will be fighting hard.

And with one quote, the Big 12 reinforced all those well-earned dysfunctional stereotypes. After making a round of calls around the league and college sports the past 24 hours, it was hard to tell who reacted the strongest to Boren's latest comments. Was it the anger from Boren's Big 12 colleagues at Boren reminding everyone—again!—how divided the Big 12 is? Or was it the laughter from officials in the college athletic industry and in other leagues at how consistent and persistent Boren is in his uncanny ability to make a mockery of the league? "It's high comedy," an industry source said Wednesday. "It really is."

http://www.campusrush.com/big-12-ex...cinnati-byu-uconn-david-boren-2006279271.html

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I was listening to the Football Four podcast today and they said the chance of no expansion is getting greater and greater. They said there's zero chance for 4 team expansion.

 

[HarryBosch]

I was listening to the Football Four podcast today and they said the chance of no expansion is getting greater and greater. They said there's zero chance for 4 team expansion.

The clowns that run the Big 12 are starting to resemble the proverbial bunch of monkeys trying to do sexual things to a football.

 

[JasonS]

I was listening to the Football Four podcast today and they said the chance of no expansion is getting greater and greater. They said there's zero chance for 4 team expansion.

I don't think anyone really knows, including the Presidents of the Big 12 schools. I just read something today that says football only options might be gaining traction. That would make sense for UCONN and BYU and allow UH and UC to come in as full members. UCONN would be fine with this as they would immediately take the rest of their sports back to the Big East.

I think it is a coin flip right now as to expansion or not but, if they choose no expansion, it is a confirmed death wish when the GOR expires. Texas and Oklahoma may not stay anyway but they are definitely out if no expansion happens.

 

[HarryBosch]

I don't think anyone really knows, including the Presidents of the Big 12 schools. I just read something today that says football only options might be gaining traction. That would make sense for UCONN and BYU and allow UH and UC to come in as full members. UCONN would be fine with this as they would immediately take the rest of their sports back to the Big East.

I think it is a coin flip right now as to expansion or not but, if they choose no expansion, it is a confirmed death wish when the GOR expires. Texas and Oklahoma may not stay anyway but they are definitely out if no expansion happens.

UCONN for football only makes absolutely no sense, however UCONN VS Kansas or Oklahoma in hoops would be dynamite.

 

[JasonS]

UCONN for football only makes absolutely no sense, however UCONN VS Kansas or Oklahoma in hoops would be dynamite.

It makes perfect sense for UCONN. They would LOVE to have affiliation again with the Big East brand and would be ecstatic to be in a P5 conference for football. For the Big 12, it, in theory, gives them the northeast TV market for football. Likely they could strike agreements to have UCONN play basketball games against the Big 12 out of conference a couple times a year.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

The hope is that Cincinnati will be invited to join the expanding Big 12, a change that would make nights like Thursday regular. Houston made for a big matchup, but think about the future world in which Cincinnati is inviting Oklahoma, Texas, TCU and Baylor to Nippert every year. In that world -- which could soon be a reality -- Cincinnati has more interesting games than Ohio State at times.


http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2016/09/cincinnatis_new_look_could_mak.html

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

The hope is that Cincinnati will be invited to join the expanding Big 12, a change that would make nights like Thursday regular. Houston made for a big matchup, but think about the future world in which Cincinnati is inviting Oklahoma, Texas, TCU and Baylor to Nippert every year. In that world -- which could soon be a reality -- Cincinnati has more interesting games than Ohio State at times.


http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2016/09/cincinnatis_new_look_could_mak.html

Patrick seeing those teams come to down year after year would be tremendous.

 

[Mcginnjw]

The B12 has to be watching Louisville with heart burn. I really believe UH and UC have the potential to be legit future title contenders in the B12. We both have the size and money to grow into special programs.

I also think it would be smart for the B12 to add UCF and Tulane. UCF is a huge school and they are in Florida. They have a ton of potential. Tulane has great academics. They don't bring anything currently in athletic terms but every major conference has a great academic school. Not to mention Tulane is right in the heart of a ton of high school talent.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Smart for the B12 and what OU and UT want are completely different

 

[Red_N_Black_Attack]

Smart for the B12 and what OU and UT want are completely different

Smart for the Big 12 isn't necessarily the path to the biggest payout for these two schools. It could be, but it would take patience and nurturing of at least four new members. It's easier for Texas and OU to say it's not worth the wait when they can get an immediate payout by one of the top two conferences (SEC or Big Ten). Today, the Big 12 is getting money that puts them fairly firmly in the number three position and the ACC is going to get mucho dinero out of their new network that could put them at or above the Big 12.

To me, an objection to extending the GOR with adding new members is an indication of intent. This is my opinion and I know everyone has ideas or theories so my two cents...

I believe OU wants to keep options open because they have legitimate shot at landing in the Big Ten, along with Kansas to keep the contiguous states clause intact. I further believe, OU would prefer to make the Big 12 viable and are willing to expand in that effort, but aren't willing to place all of their eggs in the Big 12 basket. The SEC is also very viable for OU and OSU.

Texas is a different story. I don't think the Big Ten adds them along with OU and Kansas. I don't think the SEC would take them due to TA&M, though Texas must know something or be in contact with someone. The ACC would make less sense with super extended travel. Do they really want to send their Olympic sports teams to N Carolina, Miami Fla, and Syracuse and all point in between? Independent is a fading option (even ND formed an affiliation).

At the end of the day, smart for the Big 12 could be the best path for OU and Texas, but Texas doesn't see it that way and OU thinks of it as only a "could be". I hope they give it a shot and then after adding UC & UH for all sports, and BYU & UConn for football only, we collectively put the Big 12 on par with the SEC and Big Ten in terms of value (both revenue and competitive).

 

[UCBearcats]

The hope is that Cincinnati will be invited to join the expanding Big 12, a change that would make nights like Thursday regular. Houston made for a big matchup, but think about the future world in which Cincinnati is inviting Oklahoma, Texas, TCU and Baylor to Nippert every year. In that world -- which could soon be a reality -- Cincinnati has more interesting games than Ohio State at times.


http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2016/09/cincinnatis_new_look_could_mak.html

It would be incredible to play games of that caliber at home. As a fan this to me is the best part of a potential Big 12 scenario, being able to rely on big games at home every season in both football and hoops.

I don't really listen to much of the rumors because they're all BS, no one, including the presidents really know what's going to happen. Obviously they haven't sat in a room yet and voted, once they do I expect we'll know more about where things stand. The next B12 meeting is in Mid-October where it's expected a vote "could" take place and listening to comments from Bowlsby regarding that meeting I'm beginning to wonder if expansion will happen at all.

The longer this thing drags out the less and less hopeful I am it's going to happen. If the B12 really wanted to expand they'd have made up their mind by now IMO. The fact that they haven't yet is most likely a sign that there's still a lot of disagreement among the group as a whole.

Fingers crossed for us knowing one way or the other by the end of October......

 

[waterhead]

It would be incredible to play games of that caliber at home. As a fan this to me is the best part of a potential Big 12 scenario, being able to rely on big games at home every season in both football and hoops.

I don't really listen to much of the rumors because they're all BS, no one, including the presidents really know what's going to happen. Obviously they haven't sat in a room yet and voted, once they do I expect we'll know more about where things stand. The next B12 meeting is in Mid-October where it's expected a vote "could" take place and listening to comments from Bowlsby regarding that meeting I'm beginning to wonder if expansion will happen at all.

The longer this thing drags out the less and less hopeful I am it's going to happen. If the B12 really wanted to expand they'd have made up their mind by now IMO. The fact that they haven't yet is most likely a sign that there's still a lot of disagreement among the group as a whole.

Fingers crossed for us knowing one way or the other by the end of October......

I would much rather be hearing about an agreement by the entire Big 12, however, I think most of the disagreement involves HOW it would get done rather than IF they want to do it.

I doubt Texas really cares all that much but it sounds like most of the rest do. There is still some give and take that can be done. Whoever gives in first gets the least of what they prefer. It could be that many teams would rather give a concession by the end rather than not expand. It's like the old sales analogy...whoever talks first loses.

Now they could very well already be at the stalemate but I wouldn't be surprised to see a creative resolution between now and then. Perhaps some of the teams cave to Texas demands just so they can see expansion happen...who knows. Or...maybe we will see one or two of the Texas teams split off from the Texas faction and give a vote to other teams that need 1 or 2 more. I don't have a very good understanding of why Texas has that type of control over the Texas teams that are already in the conference...it's not like they will be voted out.

 

[HarryBosch]

Smart for the Big 12 isn't necessarily the path to the biggest payout for these two schools. It could be, but it would take patience and nurturing of at least four new members. It's easier for Texas and OU to say it's not worth the wait when they can get an immediate payout by one of the top two conferences (SEC or Big Ten). Today, the Big 12 is getting money that puts them fairly firmly in the number three position and the ACC is going to get mucho dinero out of their new network that could put them at or above the Big 12.

To me, an objection to extending the GOR with adding new members is an indication of intent. This is my opinion and I know everyone has ideas or theories so my two cents...

I believe OU wants to keep options open because they have legitimate shot at landing in the Big Ten, along with Kansas to keep the contiguous states clause intact. I further believe, OU would prefer to make the Big 12 viable and are willing to expand in that effort, but aren't willing to place all of their eggs in the Big 12 basket. The SEC is also very viable for OU and OSU.

Texas is a different story. I don't think the Big Ten adds them along with OU and Kansas. I don't think the SEC would take them due to TA&M, though Texas must know something or be in contact with someone. The ACC would make less sense with super extended travel. Do they really want to send their Olympic sports teams to N Carolina, Miami Fla, and Syracuse and all point in between? Independent is a fading option (even ND formed an affiliation).

At the end of the day, smart for the Big 12 could be the best path for OU and Texas, but Texas doesn't see it that way and OU thinks of it as only a "could be". I hope they give it a shot and then after adding UC & UH for all sports, and BYU & UConn for football only, we collectively put the Big 12 on par with the SEC and Big Ten in terms of value (both revenue and competitive).

I don't believe Oklahoma is AAU, therefore they would not be a candidate for the BIG.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I don't care about any of this anymore. I just want the Yes or No. Wake me up when something happens.