The upside without Oklahoma or Texas would probably be zero unless some other teams come back which won't be happening
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The upside without Oklahoma or Texas would probably be zero unless some other teams come back which won't be happening
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The simple answer is those rumors are complete bullshit.
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I don't buy it either but saw it, from a legitimate news source, and thought I should share it. That said, Nebraska used to be one of the big players in the Big 12. It was good for their brand. The B1G and their fans could care less about Nebraska. They will never surpass Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin or Michigan State. Others would argue they would never surpass Iowa or Penn State either. The fact is, in football, at best they are the 5th most important program and more than likely somewhere around 6th to 8th. In basketball, it's even worse. That is the only reason this is plausible. They took the money and the grass isn't always greener. They are not able to recruit in the same circles as other B1G schools and now have lost the ability to go into Texas and recruit there successfully. Where is their recruiting base? This is a problem for the future of that program. So, the thought is, if Texas is going to stay, form a new conference and re-brand it, Nebraska could attach themselves to Texas, make a little less money but gain national importance with their brand. They could be a cornerstone program in that new conference. Like I said, I doubt seriously that this will happen. It is presidents making the decisions after all and the B1G is more prestigious academically than the current or new Big 12. I'd put the odds on this at 0.0001% and that might be too high.
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Well said and I agree with you. The thing is (and this applies to OU and UT as well), if you want your program to be recognized nationally, then win something.
This whole Big 12 thing is about money and branding and network exposure, but the best way to garner interest in your program is to win like they are at O$U, 'Bama and as they did at USC and to an extent UT/OU earlier in the 2000's and at Nebraska in the 1990's.
Sometimes more exposure to your product isn't a good thing if your product stinks on the field. I understand it is cyclical and it takes exposure/branding to build recruiting, but there is no reason for UT to expect Nebrask will join them just because they're Texas and they used to be someone special.
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No one wants into the Big 12 except non-p5 schools. Absolute fairy tale.
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Related my previous post, winning now or at least recently, is important which is why there is pressure on Coach TT. We have show that we can be a competitive program while we had Big East resources. This is the huge argument against Houston being included in the Big 12. The writing is on the wall that the Big 12 could lose one or both of the marquee programs. It would be absolutely a blow to everyone involved if Houston is added to Big 12 now, then grows to a perennial top 5 team that moves to a power conference after the Big 12 implodes and teams like KSU, OSU, TT, and TCU are left holding the banner of the new AAC. Big East history is repeating itself and they don't want to be the next UConn and have Houston be the next Loserville.
I know this is exactly what we want for Cincinnati: Let's get to Big 12 now, so we can be considered for the Super Four when it happens. We open new tv markets (or streaming viewers) and also open new recruiting markets whereas Houston market is already Big 12 owned and they already recruit there not wanting competition for existing recruiting grounds.
Ten more days until Oct 17th and who knows what will actually happen, but one thing for sure, the lack of real information due to the signed CDA only means the media has to make up something for viewership and they certainly have made up some doozies!
I know this is exactly what we want for Cincinnati: Let's get to Big 12 now, so we can be considered for the Super Four when it happens. We open new tv markets (or streaming viewers) and also open new recruiting markets whereas Houston market is already Big 12 owned and they already recruit there not wanting competition for existing recruiting grounds.
Ten more days until Oct 17th and who knows what will actually happen, but one thing for sure, the lack of real information due to the signed CDA only means the media has to make up something for viewership and they certainly have made up some doozies!
Great post--I agree!
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You're right about the winning part for sure but I think Nebraska will always struggle to win in the B1G because they essentially lost their access to a lot of the recruiting hotbeds they previously recruited in. Texas HS players don't care so much about Iowa and Minnesota. They do care about playing against Baylor and Texas and OU and Oklahoma St though. Much easier sell for Nebraska back then. Not so much now.
I also think the Nebraska story isn't going to happen and Texas doesn't care about anyone but Texas. Just thought it was interesting and I could see how that rumor could get published because, in theory, it could make sense. Of course, anything with Texas and the Big 12 never makes sense.
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Time for a moment of clarity for everyone........no one knows what they're talking about as it relates to expansion. Not some jackoff on Twitter who has "sources" at Oklahoma, not some media member with a blue check-mark next to his name and not even Dan Boren himself. To this point no vote has taken place and the presidents of these universities haven't come together to discuss how they want to proceed.
Any story you read saying otherwise is FALSE. I know it's fun to speculate but do yourself a favor and try not to get too excited or too bummed out based on anything you're reading because again it's all FALSE. I do believe there are probably people who have true "sources" and those "sources" probably think they know what they're talking about but I can assure you they don't. Until the presidents come together on the 17th, have a discussion and take a vote no one knows what's going to happen. I think the fact that the Big 12 has remained relatively close lipped is a good thing. I'd be shocked it we know anything on Oct 17th but my hope is that meeting is the catalyst to bring together a decision that will come by the end of the CFB season. I'd think it's much more likely we'll hear a decision from the B12 during the bowl season than on the 17th but I can assure you of one thing, I also don't have any clue what the hell I'm talking about.
Enjoy the craziness and try to keep a calm head.
Any story you read saying otherwise is FALSE. I know it's fun to speculate but do yourself a favor and try not to get too excited or too bummed out based on anything you're reading because again it's all FALSE. I do believe there are probably people who have true "sources" and those "sources" probably think they know what they're talking about but I can assure you they don't. Until the presidents come together on the 17th, have a discussion and take a vote no one knows what's going to happen. I think the fact that the Big 12 has remained relatively close lipped is a good thing. I'd be shocked it we know anything on Oct 17th but my hope is that meeting is the catalyst to bring together a decision that will come by the end of the CFB season. I'd think it's much more likely we'll hear a decision from the B12 during the bowl season than on the 17th but I can assure you of one thing, I also don't have any clue what the hell I'm talking about.
Enjoy the craziness and try to keep a calm head.
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One week away, seems to have lasted forever ! Is this meeting a week long?
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In all fairness, "the jackoff with sources at Oklahoma" has been ahead of the media several days with each development. I am inclined to believe said jackoff has actual sources.
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What developments??? I think you're missing the point.
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Well in the last 2 weeks, I can point to the Oklahoma against expansion development. The OU contact gave a heads up about 3-4 days earlier than the media breaking the story.
Just because expansion hasn't/won't happen, doesn't mean there hasn't been developments. The developments have just arrived to the point where OU is not going to agree on a 2 team expansion with 1 of the teams being a Texas school.
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It was reported that OU was against expansion and then their president came out and said it was untrue. Just because people are reporting stories doesn't mean they are true or they are developments. Take a lot of what you read and hear related to expansion with a grain of salt. The Big 12 hasn't come out and publicly said anything related to expansion and the only public statements I've heard from anyone in a university is to deny false reporting that has come out.
I personally am glad the Big 12 has handled it the way they have. Let the media speculate and hypothesize all they want but don't officially comment on anything until there's something to comment on.
I don't doubt that particular "jackoff" has real sources but it doesn't mean his sources know what they're talking about. I have heard directly from a UC board of trustees member that UC to the Big 12 is a done deal, but it doesn't mean it's true. It's just one persons interpretation of the situation.
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John Martin @JohnMartin929
Brett McMurphy on @929espn: "The Big 12 isn't going to add anybody."
Brett McMurphy on @929espn: "The Big 12 isn't going to add anybody."
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That seems to be the latest summary. They might add to the statement, the Big 12 is going to be at 8 soon, from the already too low 10. Instead of expansion, they will be subtracting. Subtract OU and UT then subtract tens of millions per year from WVU, KSU, ISU, BU, TCU, TT, and possibly OSU.
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Not saying it will or won't happen but Brett McMurphy doesn't know a damn thing.
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You can subtract KU aswell. They make perfect sense for Big 10 Expansion with OU.
OSU and Texas to the PAC16 makes a lot of sense as well.
I would think the ACC would be taking UConn over WVU based on markets/reputation while adding Notre Dame.
I don't see the SEC adding any value with the schools available to them. Maybe WVU, but what school do you pair up with them? No need to add a competitive Texas school to A&M unless it is Texas. No reason to take the 2nd tier school out of Oklahoma.
By the time it is all said and done it will probably be WVU, KSU, ISU, Baylor, TT, and TCU looking to reform the Big 12 and needing 6. If I am guessing those 6 now I would go with Houston, UC, USF, UCF, Memphis, and BYU.
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If those are the six, I think the AAC would be better served to invite TT, TCU, N Illinois, BYU, and BU to add to what we have and negotiate a better media deal. The population centers we have already, with Tulane, Houston, Mem, Temple, UC could be expanded upon with nayltionsl followings of Navy and BYU to make a heck of a conference. The product we have is already undervalued and the little eight or six won't garner enough interest without all of the AAC plus upper Illinois and BYU. This is the reason OU and UT are stuck until 2024, unless the networks want the big fish so bad, they'll overpay the remaining Big 12 leftovers. That's not smart business at a time the networks are losing money and thus they won't get 80% vote to disband and rescind existing GOR.
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The idea being floated out there is the Big 12 remaining 6 will be able to negotiate a deal that keeps their remainder conference in the "Power 5" and provides decent television money (12-15mil per school?). In exchange they let Texas, OU, Kansas, and OSU walk out of the grant of rights, and extend the remaining schools with the TV contract to 2030 something. If this comes to fruition, then there is a definite reason for schools to leave the American and join the new Big 12.