GarradJ21
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I think the meeting is OCT 17th I believe that will be the decision day.
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I think the meeting is OCT 17th I believe that will be the decision day.
GarradJ21
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Chuck Carlton on Twitter (who ever he is) said he can confirm report, via sources, by @SIPeteThamel that Oklahoma, Boren now negative on Big 12 expansion, a potential game- changer
Bored himself released a statement today saying himself and Oklahoma do not have a firm stance on any decision with with expansion.
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CFAA @CFAAEliteClips · 20m20 minutes ago
OU's Boren denies report school is opposed to Big 12 expansion, says no stance yet taken http://p.d-news.co/7opv via @sportsdaydfw
An interesting take: a colleague of mine very close to one of the institutions vying for B12 inclusion told me months ago that he thought the whole expansion things was a ruse of sorts to deflect from the Baylor scandal. I wouldn't say he has enough info to be an "inside source" but he's been around B12 sports for a long time and knows a lot of people both in the conference hierarchy and the member institutions.
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I've heard that theory before. Seems awfully extreme.
I would agree with Jacob here. This seems a bit out there. They will probably look much worse if they end up doing nothing. They have also courted BYU and that is another PR nightmare waiting to happen. Creating one controversy to cover another hardly seems worth the effort put into it.
It's not looking good...but if there is still a possibility...something could still easily give in favor of adding teams. If they add teams I think we are in. We seem to be in almost every final scenario right now other than adding 0 teams.
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This Chuck Carlton guy seems to be a little too eager to scoop all things Big 12 expansion related. Although he is a newspaper writer I'm not sure I deem him as very trustworthy.
I did read a story he wrote yesterday for the Dallas Daily News and he had an interesting sentence regarding WVU and UC.
And West Virginia is believed to have reservations about elevating Cincinnati to "power five" status.
First I've heard of WVU possibly not supporting us. Again, consider the source and take it with a grain of salt, especially considering he didn't bother to elaborate on that comment but chose to throw it in there like it's some sort of common knowledge.
I did read a story he wrote yesterday for the Dallas Daily News and he had an interesting sentence regarding WVU and UC.
And West Virginia is believed to have reservations about elevating Cincinnati to "power five" status.
First I've heard of WVU possibly not supporting us. Again, consider the source and take it with a grain of salt, especially considering he didn't bother to elaborate on that comment but chose to throw it in there like it's some sort of common knowledge.
WV is going to have to "elevate" some team to P5 status if expansion goes through. They need/want a travel partner. WV pres (I believe) has voiced support for us in the past. What would WV lose to us (specifically) as opposed to any other travel partner? This isn't OSU we are dealing with...I understand why OSU want to keep us from getting too successful.
This really doesn't add up to me.
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WVU's perspective:
Having a travel partner is more of a bonus of expansion rather than a driving force. These are athletic departments with budgets north of $75mil a year, saving 500k in travel costs for olympic sports is just a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things.
Here is what Huggin's complained about and was fixed the following season, he hasn't said a word about travel since then and was recently quoted as being against expansion.
“We have asked that when reasonable they give us a two-game stay over on the road,” Luck revealed.
Twice this past season WVU was scheduled to go out on the road, play a Saturday game, fly home on Sunday, practice Monday and fly out again on Tuesday for a Wednesday game.
League rules do not allow them to stay on the road during that time, so they use up most of two days traveling.
Rather than doing that, they would prefer to play a Saturday-Big Monday on the road with a Sunday stay over, which would cut back on taking the long trip to and from Morgantown.
Bob Huggins on the problem being fixed...
With the league's help, WVU won't have to worry about the team returning home late and have to live up to their academic requirements the next day until it hits the road at the end of this month for games against Oklahoma State and Baylor.
"The league's been terrific," said West Virginia head coach Bob Huggins Monday on the Big 12 Coaches Teleconference. "We've got two trips where we're going to stay out and play, so that helps us a bunch.
"I think there's a couple of little things we can do that will help everybody. You can't say enough about how good the league has been about helping us with our travel issues."
It may be a bonus but it seems to have been prominent in reporting on candidates. Travel partner that is. I'm not sure Huggins wants us but I think the pres was on board for voting on us...at least at one point in time.
In fact Gordon gee earlier this year thought a travel partner was one of his prominent issues. It may be a minor issue for some of the schools.
His general quoted stance was he was in favor of expansion Especially where it concerned a travel partner and I think UC was #1 on his list at one point.
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The way WVU sees things is that it is just 30 more minutes on a plane. WVU recruits in Ohio and if UC is added they may take a hit in FB and in BB. Some feel they benefit more by not adding UC and just being on a plane a few minutes longer.
Read somewhere that with Gee's ties to OSU and the fact that OSU may not want UC in the B12 for the same reason so WVU could make a sweetheart deal with WVU playing OSU in return for WVU not voting UC in expansion.
Read somewhere that with Gee's ties to OSU and the fact that OSU may not want UC in the B12 for the same reason so WVU could make a sweetheart deal with WVU playing OSU in return for WVU not voting UC in expansion.
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X is in Avondale. he should go back to Avondale.
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Heard on ESPN this AM that there is lots of in fighting going on with the topic of expansion. The reason Oklahoma may have cooled is a rift between them and Texas. The Sooners may be looking to leave the Big 12. Anyway they meet on Oct 17th.
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Latest I heard is that Oklahoma wants out of the Big 12 and Nebraska wants back in. There is some chatter that Texas wants to form a new conference with the Big 12 schools but without Oklahoma. The thinking is they would "trade" OU to the B1G for Nebraska and then add BYU, UC, UH and one other school to get to 14 and rebrand the conference and look to extend the TV deal beyond 2024. This seems far fetched to me but would be fun. Sounds to me like Oklahoma has decided they are done with Texas and the Big 12 and want nothing to do with staying in the conference any longer than they have to. The other rumor is that OU, Texas and Kansas will all be allowed to get out of the grant of rights early, Big 12 will replace them (maybe with enough schools to get to 12) and the tv deal and GOR would be extended. Supposedly, for letting OU, KU, and UT out of the GORs, the networks would agree to extend the TV deal at the current pay rate through 2035. Seems like the easy expansion by adding 2-4 teams is completely dead now.
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IDK about that Nebraska story, they would have to leave cash on the table if they made that deal.
Apparently Montmayor, who wrote that article said 3 months ago that Texas and OU would start their own conference with BYU and UH.
I was reading today about a "relief plan" that you are referring to as well. It basically keeps the remaining teams in a P5 conference and will have network affiliation and next round will begin in 24 mos.
Apparently Montmayor, who wrote that article said 3 months ago that Texas and OU would start their own conference with BYU and UH.
I was reading today about a "relief plan" that you are referring to as well. It basically keeps the remaining teams in a P5 conference and will have network affiliation and next round will begin in 24 mos.
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Expansion is currently dead. Since OU and Texas cannot agree on Expansion candidates, they will make plans to move on to greener pastures.
The next wave of expansion topics will be in 2 years, when the B12 members not named OU, Texas, or Kansas are concerned about their future television/GOR deals. Likely then the non-desirable members will negotiate a settlement with tv to let Texas, OU, Kansas, and others out of GOR deal, in exchange for extending P5 conference status and GOR until after 2030. The new Big 12 will be bring in new members then to back fill who they lose.
That's pretty much what I have been reading.
The next wave of expansion topics will be in 2 years, when the B12 members not named OU, Texas, or Kansas are concerned about their future television/GOR deals. Likely then the non-desirable members will negotiate a settlement with tv to let Texas, OU, Kansas, and others out of GOR deal, in exchange for extending P5 conference status and GOR until after 2030. The new Big 12 will be bring in new members then to back fill who they lose.
That's pretty much what I have been reading.
Previous rumors have mentioned Nebraska wanting out of the B1G. Why??? That makes no sense to me. In the B1G they're in a more prestigious, more stable conference getting more exposure and more money. What would be the upside to returning to the Big 12 dumpster fire?