Big 12

[jacobkdoyle]

Listening to the Russillo & Kanell podcast. They are talking about how behind the Big 12 is and how obvious it is that they need to expand. Kanell also named UC as a very strong option. I know the talking heads and coaches don't count t for much, but we're very much in every conversation I've heard. I've mentioned before, but I live in Kansas City...pretty much the Big 12 capital. Everyone I talk to out here says we're a no brainer. Again, just friends of mine who went to KU and KState and don't have the decision, but they consider us #1 and debate #2 between BYU, UCF, and Memphis.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I also haven't had a chance to listen yet, but the Football Four (USA Today College Football podcast) has a new episode covering expansion. That's one I listen to during football season, so I'm sure they have some good takes on the whole thing for those who enjoy podcasts.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I also haven't had a chance to listen yet, but the Football Four (USA Today College Football podcast) has a new episode covering expansion. That's one I listen to during football season, so I'm sure they have some good takes on the whole thing for those who enjoy podcasts.

Just started listening...they listed the schools in alphabetical order and said they didn't want to do the whole list in order at this point. But the one guy (Dan Wolken) butted in and said "I don't disagree, although I would fall back on, I think there's not a clubhouse as you hear, but if there were, Cincinnati's probably the leader in the clubhouse."

They also said the fact that the Big 12 doesn't play on Sunday could hurt BYU bc of their location. Obviously not in football, but in other sports.

 

[Bearcat1234]

Just started listening...they listed the schools in alphabetical order and said they didn't want to do the whole list in order at this point. But the one guy (Dan Wolken) butted in and said "I don't disagree, although I would fall back on, I think there's not a clubhouse as you hear, but if there were, Cincinnati's probably the leader in the clubhouse."

They also said the fact that the Big 12 doesn't play on Sunday could hurt BYU bc of their location. Obviously not in football, but in other sports.

BYU would have to be football-only and if that is the case, they would need another football-only school to join them. Only reasonable choices would be Boise or CSU.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

The increased money, exposure, and attendance would easily make it worthwhile, even if we end up in the same position we're in right now. How does a, at worst, lateral move constitute a "disaster"?

Not an institutional fit, not an athletic fit (we should be a basketball school in a metropolitan conference), we'll get blown out in football for the first 2-3 years and by the time we get our bearings, Texas will be gone. With our football and basketball coach we are mediocre teams in both sports, don't want to watch us get blown out...

 

[justinhub2003]

Not an institutional fit, not an athletic fit (we should be a basketball school in a metropolitan conference), we'll get blown out in football for the first 2-3 years and by the time we get our bearings, Texas will be gone. With our football and basketball coach we are mediocre teams in both sports, don't want to watch us get blown out...

Man your glowing positivity.

Don't you think getting into the big 12 would atttact better coaches if our current ones aren't successful ??

It's nothing but positive for us

 

[Madman81]

Not an institutional fit, not an athletic fit (we should be a basketball school in a metropolitan conference), we'll get blown out in football for the first 2-3 years and by the time we get our bearings, Texas will be gone. With our football and basketball coach we are mediocre teams in both sports, don't want to watch us get blown out...

the early 90s ain't coming back. the name of the game is adapt and evolve, not whine and reminisce.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Greg Abbott ‏@GregAbbott_TX · 43m43 minutes ago
Big 12 expansion is a non-starter unless it includes University of Houston. @UHouston

Governor of Texas. Don't underestimate politics. UC isn't a sure thing.

 

[Red_N_Black_Attack]

Greg Abbott ‏@GregAbbott_TX · 43m43 minutes ago
Big 12 expansion is a non-starter unless it includes University of Houston. @UHouston

Governor of Texas. Don't underestimate politics. UC isn't a sure thing.

Duck Duck Duck!!! Expletives avoided by replacing the letter F with the letter D. No vowels, consonants, or exclamation marks were harmed during the writing of this message; however, I may need a few new keys on my keyboard.

 

[2bearcatdad]

Greg Abbott ‏@GregAbbott_TX · 43m43 minutes ago
Big 12 expansion is a non-starter unless it includes University of Houston. @UHouston

Governor of Texas. Don't underestimate politics. UC isn't a sure thing.

Now that I can agree with. I grew up in TX and you can rest assured that the good old boy network is alive and well. For that reason, I think UH gets an invite. If they only take 2 teams, the other slot would go to us or BYU imo. I still think we would have a great shot, but I think BYU would have a strong case for the slot also.

I'm betting it won't matter because I think they'll take 4 schools, not just two. I'm guessing the four will be UC, BYU, UH and Memphis.

I'm no prognosticator, but I hope I've got this one right.

 

[Bcatfollower]

Now that I can agree with. I grew up in TX and you can rest assured that the good old boy network is alive and well. For that reason, I think UH gets an invite. If they only take 2 teams, the other slot would go to us or BYU imo. I still think we would have a great shot, but I think BYU would have a strong case for the slot also.

I'm betting it won't matter because I think they'll take 4 schools, not just two. I'm guessing the four will be UC, BYU, UH and Memphis.

I'm no prognosticator, but I hope I've got this one right.

Not sure the Texas gov controls the decision, how did texas am go to the sec, what about all the other d1 Texas schools. The b12 will do what's best for the b12.

 

[JasonS]

Not sure the Texas gov controls the decision, how did texas am go to the sec, what about all the other d1 Texas schools. The b12 will do what's best for the b12.

True, but there is a reason that Baylor is in the Big 12.

 

[TheShoeFits]

http://espn.go.com/college-football...ntenders-hopefuls-wild-card-teams-join-big-12


The favorites

Editor's Picks

BYU: With the strongest football program of any "available" non-Power 5 program, the Cougars have been at the top of the list from the very beginning. Along with Houston, BYU topped an ESPN poll of the league's football coaches, presumably for that very reason. BYU has defeated Big 12 flagships Texas and Oklahoma in the past seven years, and dating back to 1980, only Nebraska, Florida State, Ohio State, Miami, Florida and the Sooners have won more games than BYU. Through the Mormon Church, the Cougars have a national following, with an average home attendance (58,000) that would've ranked fourth in the Big 12 last year. Though the campus is roughly 2,000 miles away from Big 12 member West Virginia, BYU would give the conference a presence in the Mountain Time Zone, creating interesting TV opportunities for the league, while, perhaps, bolstering the Big 12's revenue distribution potential down the line. BYU not playing on Sundays would create issues in Olympic sports scheduling, notably baseball, softball and women's soccer; that obstacle and the school's proximity to the rest of the league is why a football-only option could be on the table for the Cougars. That, however, is not preferable for the Big 12.

Cincinnati: For the reason BYU's geography's might work against it, Cincinnati's location is one of the school's biggest assets in Big 12 expansion. Whether the Big 12 chose to expand by two or four, Cincinnati could be logically paired with virtually any expansion candidate. West Virginia's leadership has been a proponent of Big 12 expansion, provided that through expansion the Mountaineers wind up with a travel partner, like Cincinnati, that makes sense. School president Santa Ono has been working furiously behind the scenes to get the school into the Big 12, though he'll be leaving for the University of British Columbia in August. Cincinnati recently renovated Nippert Stadium, plays in a top-40 TV market and has big businesses, notably Cincinnati-based Kroger and Macy's, behind its candidacy.

 

[Cataclysmo]

Not an institutional fit, not an athletic fit (we should be a basketball school in a metropolitan conference), we'll get blown out in football for the first 2-3 years and by the time we get our bearings, Texas will be gone. With our football and basketball coach we are mediocre teams in both sports, don't want to watch us get blown out...

The same concerns wete expressed before we moved to the Big East and they were proved invalid. We have done well with a very limited budget and it's perfectly logical to think we would do even better with more money. Nick has us at around the top 35-40 of basketball and although I wish we were higher, saying that we would get blown out in basketball makes no sense. Football I'm a little more worried about, but the bottom of the Big 12 (Kansas, Iowa State, Soon to be Baylor, etc.) Are all programs that we will immediately be better than.

You can be worried about getting blown out and I understand that concern, but if that truly worriess you about moving to the Big 12 I question whether you actually take enjoyment in your affiliation with the Bearcats.

 

[AZ BEARCAT]

Cincinnati would do very well in the Big 12.Just on local recruits alone. Also the list of coaches that would want to coach at UC.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

True, but there is a reason that Baylor is in the Big 12.

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 11m11 minutes ago

Texas politics is going to push for UH inclusion..to get FOX/ESPN $ toward UH.
In return UT politicians will collect IOU'S for the deed.

 

[prancer]

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire · 11m11 minutes ago

Texas politics is going to push for UH inclusion..to get FOX/ESPN $ toward UH.
In return UT politicians will collect IOU'S for the deed.

Sheesh. Also from the same guy...

Greg Flugaur
‏@flugempire
The addition of 4 gives room for compromise/horse trading of votes to get UCONN/UH/BYU up to 8 votes each.

UC does not need help.

and

Greg Flugaur
‏@flugempire
The President of Texas's comments on UH is opening salvo of B12 Horse Trading expansion...which is believed to end at UC/UCONN/BYU/UH

But take all this with a pound of salt bc I have no idea who the #%$* this guy is, although he has a fair number of Twitter followers.

 

[Bearcat1234]

With no Big 12 Network, football quality and national following becomes much more important and local media market size much less so. Thus, the appeal of USF, UCF, and Memphis is greatly reduced.

Thus, that should put BYU and Boise at the top of the list. Other two should be Cincinnati and Houston IMO.

 

[JasonS]

Sheesh. Also from the same guy...

Greg Flugaur
‏@flugempire
The addition of 4 gives room for compromise/horse trading of votes to get UCONN/UH/BYU up to 8 votes each.

UC does not need help.

and

Greg Flugaur
‏@flugempire
The President of Texas's comments on UH is opening salvo of B12 Horse Trading expansion...which is believed to end at UC/UCONN/BYU/UH

But take all this with a pound of salt bc I have no idea who the #%$* this guy is, although he has a fair number of Twitter followers.

I have been following him for a while while being very skeptical and I can tell you, while he isn't right 100% of the time (no one is), he's been pretty spot on with regards to this for quite a while.

 

[JasonS]

With no Big 12 Network, football quality and national following becomes much more important and local media market size much less so. Thus, the appeal of USF, UCF, and Memphis is greatly reduced.

Thus, that should put BYU and Boise at the top of the list. Other two should be Cincinnati and Houston IMO.

Boise is going to get left out. Big 12 wants Northeast expansion. The horse trading being talked about is apparently, if we give you Houston, you have to give us UCONN. WV, Kansas, OU and others are pushing it this way. You need 8 votes to get in. Expansion by 2 doesn't appear to be able to happen. It's either 4 or none. Hard time believing it isn't going to be 4 teams added.