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jacobkdoyle said:
Big 12 has to expand or it will die within 10 years. That's my expert take.
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You are absolutely correct, but that doesn't mean they don't choose to not expand. There is a slight chance, very slight, there are enough votes to accept a renegotiated tv contract for 10-member conference that increases money per school, keeps GOR, and expires in the same 24/25 time frame.

I think you are correct they won't do this because it would be blatantly obvious to the lower tier teams that the conference isn't working together toward the goal of surviving.
 
Red_N_Black_Attack said:
The only way H-town gets in is if they expand by four.

The only way UC doesn't get in is if they don't expand at all, which is becoming less and less likely, though still a possibility.
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I hope you're right. It seems Texas is pushing for Houston (based on the extension campus stuff covered in this thread). To get the votes they need Oklahoma. OU might say don't block our first choice in and we'll give you Houston. Are we the first choice for OU? or is BYU?

I have to think that that all the Nippert renovation and 5/3 planned renovation was not to make us the most attractive AAC school. Maybe the powers that be at UC were told what it take to be invited. I'd feel much more certain if expansion was 4 not 2.
 
Bearcat_NTS said:
BYU- gets in due to network pressure
Houston- gets in due to political pressure
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I can't wait to read your response when UC is in the Big 12. The only way it doesn't happen is if the Big 12 doesn't expand at all which essentially is conference suicide for them. You have been campaigning against UC gaining entry since I first posted something on this over a year ago. The more this looks like it will happen, the more defiant you have become. The UC to Big 12 announcement day might be my favorite day on this message forum. :D

Countdown, less than 2 weeks.
 
NTS = not a friend of the program
Troll
Most likely an X guy who's got nothing better to do than troll our site

He's the only poster I've blocked. The negativity wears me out.
 
2bearcatdad said:
NTS = not a friend of the program
Troll
Most likely an X guy who's got nothing better to do than troll our site

He's the only poster I've blocked. The negativity wears me out.
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I think he is probably a huge fan of the program that has become frustrated over the last few years. Now instead of trying to see positives he points out negatives to avoid disappointment. Also, a contrarian who likes to get a rise out of people.
 
Bcatfollower said:
I think he is probably a huge fan of the program that has become frustrated over the last few years. Now instead of trying to see positives he points out negatives to avoid disappointment. Also, a contrarian who likes to get a rise out of people.
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Nah, he's an Ohio State fan moonlighting as a casual UC fan when it's convenient.
 
Let's assume we get into the Big 12 for a second. Given the teams that are already in POTENTIAL P4 conferences (assuming Big 10, SEC, ACC, and Pac 12)...how long would it take for us to gain access to any of them IF we can gan access to any of them at that time? Let's assume even that the GOR of the Big 12 gets pushed out to 2035 like the ACC.

I can't imagine we would be a candidate for the Pac 12. Big 10 would be difficult at best. SEC...I highly doubt it. ACC would probably have to get raided. Big 12 would have probably have 5 or so teams go before us. BYU and ND are hanging out there.

Given all of this...do we have a road into a P4? If so I would guess we would be one of the last teams in unless other teams already in P4 are asked to leave which I would think would be difficult to do. By that time other potential candidates would/could arise as well.

Don't get me wrong...I am extremely hopeful we get this invite right now for our immediate legitimacy...but where do we fit in long term?
 
waterhead said:
Let's assume we get into the Big 12 for a second. Given the teams that are already in POTENTIAL P4 conferences (assuming Big 10, SEC, ACC, and Pac 12)...how long would it take for us to gain access to any of them IF we can gan access to any of them at that time? Let's assume even that the GOR of the Big 12 gets pushed out to 2035 like the ACC.

I can't imagine we would be a candidate for the Pac 12. Big 10 would be difficult at best. SEC...I highly doubt it. ACC would probably have to get raided. Big 12 would have probably have 5 or so teams go before us. BYU and ND are hanging out there.

Given all of this...do we have a road into a P4? If so I would guess we would be one of the last teams in unless other teams already in P4 are asked to leave which I would think would be difficult to do. By that time other potential candidates would/could arise as well.

Don't get me wrong...I am extremely hopeful we get this invite right now for our immediate legitimacy...but where do we fit in long term?
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Not even worth thinking about that right now. Cross that bridge when and if it comes. Too many outside factors and too many scenarios to entertain.
 
Bcatfollower said:
I think he is probably a huge fan of the program that has become frustrated over the last few years. Now instead of trying to see positives he points out negatives to avoid disappointment. Also, a contrarian who likes to get a rise out of people.
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I don't buy it. No one who is a fan of the program could argue that we're better off staying in the AAC. There is no legitimate argument to support that position. The only people who want UC to stay in the AAC are OSU or X fans.

My guess - X troll with too much time on his hands.

Not that I care...
 
2bearcatdad said:
I don't buy it. No one who is a fan of the program could argue that we're better off staying in the AAC. There is no legitimate argument to support that position. The only people who want UC to stay in the AAC are OSU or X fans.

My guess - X troll with too much time on his hands.

Not that I care...
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It's pretty funny that someone with 29 posts and 4 months on this site is calling someone names who has been here for almost 7 years and 6,294 posts. Just because someone doesn't see things your way, doesn't mean he isn't a true and loyal fan. There are many tremendous UC fans and alumni who see many issues with our athletic program. Obviously, there is great disagreement about Cronin and Tuberville and other issues. NTS has often disagreed with me and taken shots at me (as have many others), but I have never questioned that he is a true fan. Just accept that we all don't see things the same way. I believe we all are seeking the same end result though.
 
L-T said:
It's pretty funny that someone with 29 posts and 4 months on this site is calling someone names who has been here for almost 7 years and 6,294 posts. Just because someone doesn't see things your way, doesn't mean he isn't a true and loyal fan. There are many tremendous UC fans and alumni who see many issues with our athletic program. Obviously, there is great disagreement about Cronin and Tuberville and other issues. NTS has often disagreed with me and taken shots at me (as have many others), but I have never questioned that he is a true fan. Just accept that we all don't see things the same way. I believe we all are seeking the same end result though.
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Thanks L-T. One thing I've learned (especially over the last 2-3 years) is that most UC fans are not nuisanced enough in their thinking to realize that I can be a true UC fans and still be HIGHLY critical of how UC is doing athletically. Do people really think I'd care this much if I was a Xavier troll? Or Louisville troll? Or Ohio State troll? Or whatever other troll I've been accused of in the past?

I've been active on UC message boards since 2006. That is a decade. A lot of the people on this board didn't even become UC fans until Brian Kelly was the football coach. They weren't UC fans when Cronin was hired.
 

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