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Considering P&Gs founders are UC people and there names are all over the history of UC, I'm surprised we haven't been able to coax them into being big time donors into the program. Cincinnati, business wise, is a very rich city. No reason we shouldn't have big corporate donors.
 
CrakkerBarrellsX said:
krogers tries to help. Money just isn't long enough
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While not overtly going public, several local companies support the UC athletics programs and provide sponsorships. The money for joining the Big 12 is there (both exit AAC and entry to Big 12), as Santa Ono already secured it over the past couple years. Also, the Big 12 has said that the FedEx offer to sponsor the conference championship game wouldn't help Memphis so not sure how money would be a factor against UC.

Politics, especially whenever it's Texas politics, is a real hurdle. As the wheelin' and dealin' goes on, the only real political threat is Houston and I don't think Texas has the clout to get Houston into the Big 12. The hurdle is this: will Texas completely block expansion since they won't get Houston? The political factor plays into if there is or isn't expansion because, it's my opinion based on available information, that Texas can block a team or all of expansion, but doesn't have anywhere close to ability to pick a team and force it down the throats of the northern members who don't want to compete against UH in recruiting when it adds little to no media value.
 
When it comes to corporate backing from companies here in Cincinnati the University itself gets plenty of help. A publicly traded company shelling out millions of dollars to help directly fund a school's athletic program is not as easily said as done.

I think the difference with Fed Ex is that even though it's publicly traded it's founder is still the President and CEO of the company. He would most likely have enough clout to steer advertising dollars wherever he'd like as long as it's justifiable. Being the title sponsor of a P5 championship game would certainly qualify as a justifiable expense.

What Cincinnati lacks is an individual at the helm of a fortune 100 company who's willing to make private donations to support the school's athletics because he or she is a rabid fan of our sports teams. We have a few high dollar boosters willing to do this from time to time but it would be nice to have a very high profile booster on our side. The Lindner's gave substantial amounts of money to UC and still continue to do so but they don't limit their donations to sports. What you won't see are large companies (Kroger, Macy's, P&G, ect) using corporate money to directly fund our athletic programs.
 
Bearcat_NTS said:
That’s why sometime in late October, provided the college football and conference realignment landscape doesn’t once again change, the Big 12 will vote to add BYU and Houston as members for the 2017 season.

Don’t miss the significance of that point. The Big 12 would like new members to begin conference play in 2017. BYU, being an independent, has no problem. Houston has more than one billionaire booster willing to pay for the Cougar’s early exit from the AAC. Can the Bearcats say the same?

In the end, it looks like the Bearcats will lose out, because if the Big 12 is going to expand, how can it disregard the advice of it television partners and consultants? How can the most dysfunctional conference in college football not see the value in adding Houston if the grant of rights is extended as a result?

http://landgrantgauntlet.com/2016/08/27/the-big-12-may-be-close-to-naming-two-new-members/
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NC is seriously considering it's bathroom laws because of public pressure (especially entertainment and sports industry). If BYU doesn't amend it's "honor code" (LOL)...it's a (in my best Donald Drumpf) YUGE issue for them and the Big 12. As long as LGBT backers are keeping this in the spotlight...they are at best 50-50 to join. It is a PR nightmare as it currently stands. If there are other viable alternatives I don't see why a whole conference would want to subject themselves to it.

That being said...it's fluid and who knows
 
This guy is a troll never mind him. First of all let me tell you the truth

If 4 teams BYU, UH and us are 3 of the 4. The problem has been deciding on a viable #4. Memphis doesn't fir and offers little more than good venues, UCONN really doesn't fit and doesn't bring the market that are in at this moment in time for football though they masy be sued as a travle partner for WVU, but obviously have great basketball, UCF is gaining momentum for their upside and Orlando market but does the big 12 really want to bring one Florida team from Orlando.

If two teams UH is in contrary to what the baylor fan with an agenda thinks. They have the support of UT and the other three Texas schools are simply their lap dogs and will vote how they are told to do so. They have the support of just about all the schools as well including OU who comes with an extra vote from OSU. The problem again is which side gets satisfied with the second team which comes down to us and BYU. Now BYU has their own problems and does have opposition from within the big 12 circles so I am optimistic
 
bearcatsrus said:
This guy is a troll never mind him. First of all let me tell you the truth

If 4 teams BYU, UH and us are 3 of the 4. The problem has been deciding on a viable #4. Memphis doesn't fir and offers little more than good venues, UCONN really doesn't fit and doesn't bring the market that are in at this moment in time for football though they masy be sued as a travle partner for WVU, but obviously have great basketball, UCF is gaining momentum for their upside and Orlando market but does the big 12 really want to bring one Florida team from Orlando.

If two teams UH is in contrary to what the baylor fan with an agenda thinks. They have the support of UT and the other three Texas schools are simply their lap dogs and will vote how they are told to do so. They have the support of just about all the schools as well including OU who comes with an extra vote from OSU. The problem again is which side gets satisfied with the second team which comes down to us and BYU. Now BYU has their own problems and does have opposition from within the big 12 circles so I am optimistic
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They are not adding 4 schools. At this point even 2 schools isn't a sure thing.
 
bearcatsrus said:
This guy is a troll never mind him. First of all let me tell you the truth

If 4 teams BYU, UH and us are 3 of the 4. The problem has been deciding on a viable #4. Memphis doesn't fir and offers little more than good venues, UCONN really doesn't fit and doesn't bring the market that are in at this moment in time for football though they masy be sued as a travle partner for WVU, but obviously have great basketball, UCF is gaining momentum for their upside and Orlando market but does the big 12 really want to bring one Florida team from Orlando.

If two teams UH is in contrary to what the baylor fan with an agenda thinks. They have the support of UT and the other three Texas schools are simply their lap dogs and will vote how they are told to do so. They have the support of just about all the schools as well including OU who comes with an extra vote from OSU. The problem again is which side gets satisfied with the second team which comes down to us and BYU. Now BYU has their own problems and does have opposition from within the big 12 circles so I am optimistic
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If you're right about Houston, then UC is out in a two team scenario. BYU has not made any public changes/announcements on their Honor Code; however, expect to see some tweaks to the wording in the next week or so, i.e. BYU will be invited to join the Big 12. If it comes down to UC or Houston, not only am I rooting for, but also believe the non-Texas schools will be blocking Houston. That means only one school will get to the necessary 8 votes unless Texas backs down (an unlikely event even though their stance has little or no chance to succeed). While a two team expansion is seen as the most likely outcome for both pleasing TV partners and because there isn't any agreement or slight majority on the fourth team beyond BYU, UC, and Houston. I'm expecting Baylor and crew to bolt the Texas group and vote for either BYU/UC or some mutual compromise to add four teams. Texas has gone public in their support for Houston and will definitely force TT to vote for a BYU/UH slate, but end up with only those two votes in that direction.
 
Isn't it ironic that Houston and UT is like what OSU and UC are to each other. But, the support couldn't be any different. Could you imagine OSU doing this to UC?
 
Red_N_Black_Attack said:
If you're right about Houston, then UC is out in a two team scenario. BYU has not made any public changes/announcements on their Honor Code; however, expect to see some tweaks to the wording in the next week or so, i.e. BYU will be invited to join the Big 12. If it comes down to UC or Houston, not only am I rooting for, but also believe the non-Texas schools will be blocking Houston. That means only one school will get to the necessary 8 votes unless Texas backs down (an unlikely event even though their stance has little or no chance to succeed). While a two team expansion is seen as the most likely outcome for both pleasing TV partners and because there isn't any agreement or slight majority on the fourth team beyond BYU, UC, and Houston. I'm expecting Baylor and crew to bolt the Texas group and vote for either BYU/UC or some mutual compromise to add four teams. Texas has gone public in their support for Houston and will definitely force TT to vote for a BYU/UH slate, but end up with only those two votes in that direction.
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Although they would be an attractive add to the conference on many fronts, I think geography, scheduling, the honor code and their network end up being too many negatives for BYU. I don't see them getting in. I always thought they would be best as a football only add if the conference added 4 teams. If it's only 2 teams, I think they're left out. This is purely speculative on my part. Maybe I'm just hoping.

Regardless, I think it will be UC & UH if 2 teams and add BYU and Memphis if it's 4.

Maybe we'll all know by Christmas?!?
 
The Big 12's expansion is going to come down to compromise, and I don't see it happening with 2 teams. It is either 4 or none in my opinion. If they do expand by 4, it will be BYU/UC/UH/UConn. Why these 4?

BYU - Adds the most value as an individual school.

UC - Regional partner for WVU, eastern time zone expansion, solid football and basketball candidate

UH - Texas politics, and the compromise to get the Texas contingent to vote for expansion

UConn - Additional eastern time zone expansion, great brand name, increases conference's basketball profile, New York market access. All of this, helps make up for deficiencies in football and location.
 
I would like to point out, that the Big 12 will need to expand East to maximize its value to streaming services for next contract.

The key reason for this other than the particular schools markets, is expanding east for additional time slots. If Netflix buys the rights to the Big 12, they are going to want to maximize the live content on a Saturday. That means they will likely start game at 11am EST compared to the traditional noon from other networks since they do not currently have other live content in the time slot. Also think of the advantage of playing the first game of the day to get the early viewership. I would see time slots of 11am, 2pm, 5pm, and 8pm EST, and 1 week night game a week making sense for a Big 12/Streaming partner agreement for football. However without atleast 3 schools in EST, the streaming partner would have difficulty maximizing their live sports window.

Also consider the EST impact on basketball and maximizing content. It would allow for more stacking of basketball games during the week. UC, UConn, or WVU would make a great 7pm EST game, followed by a 8pm CST (9pm EST) game from someone else in conference.
 
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