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Big East Bubble Watch: (RPI and SOS from RealtimeRPI.com for Tuesday Feb. 8th)

St. John's

Record: 13-9 (5-5)

RPI: 22

SOS: 1

Key Wins: @ WVU; Vs. #13 Georgetown; Vs. #11 ND; Vs. #3 Duke

Bad Losses: Vs. St. Bonaventure; @ Fordham


Remaining Games:

Feb. 10 - Vs. #9 UCONN

Feb. 13 - @ Cincinnati

Feb. 15 - @ Marquette

Feb. 19 - Vs. #4 Pitt

Feb. 23 - Vs. DePaul

Feb. 26 - @ #10 Villanova

Mar. 3 - @ Seton Hall

Mar. 5 - Vs. USF
 
Marquette

Record: 14-9 (5-5)

RPI: 67

SOS: 29

Key Wins: Vs. #11 ND; Vs. #10 Syracuse

Bad Losses: None


Remaining Games:

Feb. 9 - @ USF

Feb. 13 - @ #11 Georgetown

Feb. 15 - Vs. St. John's

Feb. 19 - Vs. Seton Hall

Feb. 24 - @ #9 UCONN

Feb. 27 - Vs. Providence

Mar. 2 - Vs. Cincinnati

Mar. 5 - @ Seton Hall
 
West Virginia

Record: 15-8 (6-5)

RPI: 18

SOS: 4

Key Wins: Vs. Vanderbilt; @ #13 Georgetown; Vs. #8 Purdue

Bad Losses: Vs. Marshall


Remaining Games:

Feb. 12 - Vs. DePaul

Feb. 14 - @ #13 Syracuse

Feb. 19 - Vs. #7 Notre Dame

Feb. 24 - @ #4 Pitt

Feb. 27 - @ Rutgers

Mar. 2 - Vs. #9 UCONN

Mar. 5 - Vs. #15 UofL
 
Cincinnati

Record: 19-5 (6-5)

RPI: 35

-RPI & SOS #'s do not reflect game @ DePaul-

SOS: 91

Key Wins: Vs. Xavier; @ St. John's

Bad Losses: None


Remaining Games:

Feb. 13 - Vs. St. John's

Feb. 16 - Vs. #15 UofL

Feb. 19 - @ Providence

Feb. 23 - @ #11 Georgetown

Feb. 27 - Vs. #9 UCONN

Mar. 2 - @ Marquette

Mar. 5 - Vs. #11 Georgetown
 
psax, just curious but where are you getting your RPI and SOS numbers? ESPN had the Bearcats at an RPI of 34 and a SOS of 106. Personally, I like yours better. :D
 
psax, just curious but where are you getting your RPI and SOS numbers? ESPN had the Bearcats at an RPI of 34 and a SOS of 106. Personally, I like yours better. :D

Look at the top. They're from Realtimerpi.com and they only reflect games through Tuesday. The SOS will reflect the drop by playing DePaul when they update at the end of the night.

If you've got more reliable numbers by all means. I just put in the first thing I found.
 
Look at the top. They're from Realtimerpi.com and they only reflect games through Tuesday. The SOS will reflect the drop by playing DePaul when they update at the end of the night.

If you've got more reliable numbers by all means. I just put in the first thing I found.

Nope, not at all. Just curious because I am always a little cautious when ESPN puts numbers up. They seem to get them wrong more times than they should and when I saw your numbers, I noticed a difference.
 
Nope, not at all. Just curious because I am always a little cautious when ESPN puts numbers up. They seem to get them wrong more times than they should and when I saw your numbers, I noticed a difference.

I honestly don't know where to get the most reliable ones. But that site is easy to access and all the information is right there on the front page so I like it.
 
insider RPI updated with tuesdays games included

uc 33 SOS 127

st johns 22 SOS 2 (dropped to 2, bc Tenn played UK)


W Va 18 SOS 4


MAR 58 SOS 30
 
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Speaking of the Big East bubble, Marquette is at South Florida tonight on ESPN2. Obviously Marquette should win but, just like UC, cannot afford to have a bad loss go on their resume. Maybe the Bulls can squeak one out.
 
Speaking of the Big East bubble, Marquette is at South Florida tonight on ESPN2. Obviously Marquette should win but, just like UC, cannot afford to have a bad loss go on their resume. Maybe the Bulls can squeak one out.

Marquette isn't on any bubble my friend. They are fighting to get to the bubble. Current rpi of 66. They can get there because they have some decent wins (Syracuse, WVU, ND) but they have a ton of close losses. You're right about the S. Florida game though. A loss would be devastating to them.
 
Marquette isn't on any bubble my friend. They are fighting to get to the bubble. Current rpi of 66. They can get there because they have some decent wins (Syracuse, WVU, ND) but they have a ton of close losses. You're right about the S. Florida game though. A loss would be devastating to them.

I think you're severly overestimating the rest of the bubble right now. They're likely 11th of the 11 BE teams in contention, but I'm confident that Marquette will be in the tourney.

A. Expanded Field
B. Terrible Year for Small Conferences
C. Lots of BE wins left of that schedule
 
From ESPN's Bubble Watch:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bubblewatch

The Big East is holding steady at 11 possible bids, six of which are essentially locks (welcome, Syracuse!) and another one that is getting close. Whether the Big East merely ties its own ridiculous record of eight NCAA tournament teams or obliterates it with 11 bids will come down to huge stretch runs for St. John's, Marquette and Cincinnati.

West Virginia [15-8 (6-5), RPI: 18, SOS: 4] Sure, a home win versus rival Pittsburgh on Big Monday would've been nice, but the Mountaineers are still in solid shape. Yes, they have all those losses, but none have come to teams ranked outside the RPI top 75, six of them have been on road or neutral courts, and only one (a Jan. 19 loss to Marshall in Charleston, W.Va.) will jump out at the committee as a particularly shaky loss. The computer profile remains strong, the five top-40 wins still stand, and though West Virginia has a tough remaining Big East draw, the return of leading scorer Casey Mitchell certainly helps. There's very little chance this team won't be worthy of an at-large bid.

Louisville [18-5 (7-3), RPI: 23, SOS: 50] Louisville dropped a road game at Georgetown after Peyton Siva's last-second 3-point attempt drifted left last week, but that loss didn't do much to affect this impressive and surprising team's strong at-large bid status. A loss at DePaul on Saturday would have. Fortunately for the Cardinals, they escaped Allstate Arena with a four-point win, a downtick in their strength-of-schedule column, but no major harm done to their at-large status. The Cards have five wins against the RPI top 50, including last Saturday's marquee double-overtime win at Connecticut, and thanks to the DePaul escape they don't have any sub-100 losses to speak of. Barring a catastrophic February meltdown, Rick Pitino's team will be dancing again in March.

St. John's [13-9 (5-5), RPI: 22, SOS: 2] St. John's missed an an opportunity to get a solid road win against a fellow bubble team Saturday when Steve Lavin returned to UCLA. The Bruins held on for a seven-point win at Pauley Pavilion and handed Lavin's team its ninth loss of the season, a mark that will get more and more disconcerting if the Johnnies fail to notch a few more marquee victories in the coming weeks. Fortunately, they still have that Duke win, as well as a quality computer profile with a sky-high strength of schedule that should come in handy when the committee looks closely at a team with 12 or 13 losses. With a brutal four-game run coming up -- games vs. Connecticut, at Cincinnati, at Marquette and vs. Pittsburgh in nine days -- 13 losses might even be too conservative an estimate. We'll see if this experienced but inconsistent team can come out of that mess alive and with its tourney chances intact.

Cincinnati [18-5 (5-5), RPI: 34, SOS: 109] Figuring out just how good the Bearcats are has been one of the biggest challenges of the 2010-11 season. Cincinnati played one of the worst nonconference schedules in the country (284th-best, to be exact) and left the state of Ohio only once before the Big East season began. But Cincy did go 13-0 against non-league foes, and its five losses -- four of which were on the road, the most recent of which came at Pitt without star forward Yancy Gates -- have all come against likely NCAA tournament teams. And that 20-point pasting of Xavier is looking better and better with every impressive Musketeers win. In other words, we still (still!) don't know how good this Cincinnati team is. The likely answer is "OK but not great," a perception the Bearcats will have to work hard to change if they want to be the Big East's 10th or 11th bid on Selection Sunday.

Marquette [14-9 (5-5), RPI: 57, SOS: 30] Marquette seems destined to be a bubble team. That's what happens when you mix eight losses and an unflattering RPI with a quality squad that has yet to lose to a truly bad team this season. Marquette hasn't dropped any game by more than eight points, and only one of its nine losses (to Gonzaga in Kansas City) has come to a team ranked outside the RPI top 30. The rest have all been close, hard-fought defeats against strong at-large contenders. Still, you'd feel a lot more confident about this team's chances of getting over the bubble hump if it could notch a marquee win on the road. It missed another opportunity last Wednesday, when the Golden Eagles fell 75-70 at Villanova after a second-half run got them back in the game. That loss doesn't really damage Marquette's chances, of course. But at some point, being an efficiency darling and tough out isn't quite enough. At some point, you've got to get a few of those wins, too.
 
I think you're severly overestimating the rest of the bubble right now. They're likely 11th of the 11 BE teams in contention, but I'm confident that Marquette will be in the tourney.

A. Expanded Field
B. Terrible Year for Small Conferences
C. Lots of BE wins left of that schedule

I still say there will be a max of 10 teams. You're forgetting conference tournament upsets that burst teams bubbles every single year. All of a sudden a one bid league gets two and pops a bubble. A team makes a run and another goes out first round in a CT. Oops, another bubble popped.
 
I still say there will be a max of 10 teams. You're forgetting conference tournament upsets that burst teams bubbles every single year. All of a sudden a one bid league gets two and pops a bubble. A team makes a run and another goes out first round in a CT. Oops, another bubble popped.


that happens every year so i dont think anyone is forgetting it. Also, having an expanded field doesnt change the above at all. It just means that the last 3 or four teams that were "out" last year are now in, and the next 4 out last year are the "bubble" teams that barely missed this year.

and i dont see how any of that stops 10 or 11 teams from getting in unless like every conference has a team that would never get a bid win the conf tournament + has a guaranteed at large selection (e.g. say Iowa wins the BT tournament, that takes a spot away, whereas if 8-16 alabama state wins the SwAC, that doesnt take anyones spot bc first place 11-10 Texas Southern wont get an at large bid) The only thing that will stop 10 or 11 teams from getting in from the BE will be teams like st johns, mar or cincy tail spinning down the stretch and not deserving to be in.
 
St. Johns isn't the issue. Marquette and Cincinnati are. Right now UC is in better position. Marquette needs to get up a bit more to make it in.

The expansion should help the BEast more than anybody but you never know how the committee will go. Will they reward the litle guy? I think this season favors the BCS leagues. Like I said, if it ended today I think the cut off would be 10. Just my opinion and no disrespect to Mr. Lunardi who I think does a great job projecting the tournament.
 
Well Marquette is down 9 right now @ USF with 3:00 left in the first half. USF is playing well on offense... Marquette better wake up.
 
I still say there will be a max of 10 teams. You're forgetting conference tournament upsets that burst teams bubbles every single year. All of a sudden a one bid league gets two and pops a bubble. A team makes a run and another goes out first round in a CT. Oops, another bubble popped.

I agree with this- the Big East just wont get 11 teams in- not a chance. (last year was the year to do it if they could have) The Pac 10 will get more teams in this year then last (I think they get 4 in this year) and the SEC still has 5 also.
 
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