Coaching Carousel

[Bearcat_NTS]

Your defensiveness speaks for itself. Feel free to use the ignore feature if you'd like.

My point is that the university has no problem paying for TT's buyout and I'm 10000% right. My other point is that the simple thought of Kerry Combs coaching football at UC is a complete joke and I'm also right about that.

When you take into account the intelligence of the fanbase you can h understand why so many keep proposing that horrible hire.

 

[JackBauer151]

When you take into account the intelligence of the fanbase you can h understand why so many keep proposing that horrible hire.

Just to make it clear, again. I did not propose he be hired.

 

[UCBearcats]

This was my original point. Someone asked why he hadnt been canned yet. I replied money. Then the argument started we can just go ahead and pay. My point was the athletic department is not in a position to just throw away 900k. I DONT HAVE LOW EXPECTATIONS! NO ONE ON HERE HAS LOW EXPECTATIONS. However you have to live in the real world. This isnt a video game where we can change conferences because we want to or change the settings to have an unlimited budget. The university and it's athletic department have to work within the confines of the reality they face. B10 schools will get almost 57 million in tv rights in 2018. We will get 1.6 million. We are at a CONSIDERABLE disadvantage. That is not an excuse. That is reality. We have to find new ways to be as competitive as we can. However with those schools having so much more than us they can pay the top coaches, they can pay for the top facilities, they get top exposure, they in turn get the best players. It's why it was so important to get into a P5 league. We can still hold coaches and admins accountable. We are about to fire TT. But to just think we can climb to the top of the mountain because we feel like it isnt living in reality. The landscape has shifted in collegiate sports. Just have to be as prepared as we can be when realignment comes back around. Those arent excuses. It's simply looking at the situation we are in and coming to a reasonable conclusion that we are at a disadvantage right now in this landscape.

You're making excuses to explain why your excuses aren't actually excuses. I'll never convince you to raise your low expectations and you'll never convince me to lower mine so let's agree to disagree. I appreciate the back and forth banter but no one can ever win an argument like this.

 

[JackBauer151]

You're making excuses to explain why your excuses aren't actually excuses. I'll never convince you to raise your low expectations and you'll never convince me to lower mine so let's agree to disagree. I appreciate the back and forth banter but no one can ever win an argument like this.

Haha, that's not even remotely close to what I am doing. But I agree not gonna gain any ground on this one. At least we agree Tubs needs to be fired.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I really would have to question how much he wants to be here since he won't be coaching in a P5 conference. Should be a interesting off season

 

[UCBearcats]

Alright fellas, I think it is now officially time to start discussing who is going to replace Tommy Tuberville. The chances that we'll be looking for a new head coach in about a month's time seem almost certain.

Pete Thamel wrote an article last week for SI in which he suggested that UC may be hiring a new coach at the end of the season. He threw out some interesting names.

Scott Satterfield - App State
Neal Brown - Troy
Jason Candle - Toledo
Jeff Brohm - WKU
Luke Fickell - OSU

Neal Brown is a very interesting name because he's having a lot of success at Troy and he's also from the TT coaching tree, that could be an awkward move. Of all the names I think Luke Fickell gets me the most excited. He didn't do very well in his interim year at OSU but also got thrown into a raging dumpster fire so he never really had a chance from the start. I think Fickell would be able to recruit, especially locally, and convince some of the local talent to stay home again. This is how Dantonio and Kelly won at UC and I think Fickell would have a lot of success following the same strategy.

Here's a list of other coordinators who will be knocking down the door for their first HC job.............

Kendal Briles
Lincoln Riley
Joe Moorhead
Billy Gonzales
Mike Bloomgren
Brent Venables
Tee Martin - I would absolutely LOVE to have Tee Martin. This guy is a rising star in the coaching ranks and he's going to have a HC job soon. He's probably a year or two away from being the next PJ Fleck type of coaching candidate. Assuming he could assemble a strong staff around him I think this could be a homerun hire for UC.

Then you've got the dream candidates, who we most likely wouldn't have a shot at....

PJ Fleck (this would be the dream but we aren't going to get him)
Art Briles (I'd personally LOVE to have him, no doubt he's a winner)
Lane Kiffin (he'd win and leave very quickly)
Les Miles (in a heartbeat)
Tom Herman (no chance)

PS - If anyone feels like suggesting Kerry Combs please just keep it to yourself, there's no reason to make yourself look like a complete idiot on a public forum.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Jeff Brohm would be my #1 target

 

[UCBearcats]

Jeff Brohm would be my #1 target

Why?? I'm interested in your take.

I like Brohm's bio. Former QB, doing well at WKU, from the Petrino tree.

I just worry about recruiting with him.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I've heard some things about Venables. Don't think he'll get many looks as a HC.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Why?? I'm interested in your take.

I like Brohm's bio. Former QB, doing well at WKU, from the Petrino tree.

I just worry about recruiting with him.

He's 27-10 at WKU in 3+ seasons and last season finished 12-2 and ranked #24 so he's shown he can consistently win. He's an offensive guy, and at this level you aren't going to be able to build a dominating defense (unless you're Houston) so you have to be an offensive coach. CBS Sports had him on the top 10 candidates to replace Les Miles, so maybe he won't even be available but that's definitely my first call.

I don't know much about his recruiting prowess but in football recruiting is mostly about the staff the HC puts together and given he's got some buzz in the area (played at UofL and was Mr. Kentucky football), I'd hope he could put together a good staff.

The Candle guy at Toledo also seems like a good fit, he's really young (I believe like 36 or 37)and has only been an HC for one year but a lot of people think he was the real mastermind behind Toledo's success as an OC under Matt Campbell who left to Iowa State. They've recruited Ohio well so that should translate here. I think if he stays another year or two, he'll be the next PJ Fleck...I'd rather grab him now than (god forbid) we hang on to Tubby and next off season Candle has another great year and is out of reach.

 

[UCBearcats]

He's 27-10 at WKU in 3+ seasons and last season finished 12-2 and ranked #24 so he's shown he can consistently win. He's an offensive guy, and at this level you aren't going to be able to build a dominating defense (unless you're Houston) so you have to be an offensive coach. CBS Sports had him on the top 10 candidates to replace Les Miles, so maybe he won't even be available but that's definitely my first call.

I don't know much about his recruiting prowess but in football recruiting is mostly about the staff the HC puts together and given he's got some buzz in the area (played at UofL and was Mr. Kentucky football), I'd hope he could put together a good staff.

The Candle guy at Toledo also seems like a good fit, he's really young (I believe like 36 or 37)and has only been an HC for one year but a lot of people think he was the real mastermind behind Toledo's success as an OC under Matt Campbell who left to Iowa State. They've recruited Ohio well so that should translate here. I think if he stays another year or two, he'll be the next PJ Fleck...I'd rather grab him now than (god forbid) we hang on to Tubby and next off season Candle has another great year and is out of reach.

The more research I do on Brohm the more I like him.

It seems there's a decent amount of options out there, should be fun to watch it all unfold. I can't say I'm very enthused about the fact that Bohn will most likely be running point on the search and hire but we just have to hope he makes the right decision.

 

[JackBauer151]

He's 27-10 at WKU in 3+ seasons and last season finished 12-2 and ranked #24 so he's shown he can consistently win. He's an offensive guy, and at this level you aren't going to be able to build a dominating defense (unless you're Houston) so you have to be an offensive coach. CBS Sports had him on the top 10 candidates to replace Les Miles, so maybe he won't even be available but that's definitely my first call.

I don't know much about his recruiting prowess but in football recruiting is mostly about the staff the HC puts together and given he's got some buzz in the area (played at UofL and was Mr. Kentucky football), I'd hope he could put together a good staff.

The Candle guy at Toledo also seems like a good fit, he's really young (I believe like 36 or 37)and has only been an HC for one year but a lot of people think he was the real mastermind behind Toledo's success as an OC under Matt Campbell who left to Iowa State. They've recruited Ohio well so that should translate here. I think if he stays another year or two, he'll be the next PJ Fleck...I'd rather grab him now than (god forbid) we hang on to Tubby and next off season Candle has another great year and is out of reach.

This is an important point. If you are a G5 school you have to put points on the board. It is the great equalizer against any team that has better players than you. If you can get into a shootout you have a chance. I never understood when TT would say we are scoring too fast. I understand that he meant the D wasnt getting enough rest but it's not exactly the worst problem to have. Score as many points as you can and let the chips fall. It's also much more exciting to fans, recruits, and TV. I want a young hungry coach that want to move up the chain and has an offensive pedigree. I dont need stability. I want to win and I dont care how many coaches use us as a stepping stone. It's the mistake UC made with Tuberville. We traded our winning strategy for stability. The bride that wouldnt leave us. We should have kept with (I'll try not to puke as I type this) the Xavier model. They were a stepping stone school. Just kept hiring really good coaches who kept leaving them but they continued to build all along the way. They turned themselves into a destination job and now are rocking and rolling with a coach who isnt going to leave them. I dont think that formula is unrealistic with UC football. Just keep hiring the best guy available and things will work themselves out.

 

[GarradJ21]

This is an important point. If you are a G5 school you have to put points on the board. It is the great equalizer against any team that has better players than you. If you can get into a shootout you have a chance. I never understood when TT would say we are scoring too fast. I understand that he meant the D wasnt getting enough rest but it's not exactly the worst problem to have. Score as many points as you can and let the chips fall. It's also much more exciting to fans, recruits, and TV. I want a young hungry coach that want to move up the chain and has an offensive pedigree. I dont need stability. I want to win and I dont care how many coaches use us as a stepping stone. It's the mistake UC made with Tuberville. We traded our winning strategy for stability. The bride that wouldnt leave us. We should have kept with (I'll try not to puke as I type this) the Xavier model. They were a stepping stone school. Just kept hiring really good coaches who kept leaving them but they continued to build all along the way. They turned themselves into a destination job and now are rocking and rolling with a coach who isnt going to leave them. I dont think that formula is unrealistic with UC football. Just keep hiring the best guy available and things will work themselves out.

Xavier got lucky with Cincy guy though also, don't you think? If Mack isn't from Cincy is he staying at Xavier?

Anyways, it's crazy how we have all hated the fact that we are a stepping stone football program but now we are begging to be one just to get a few good season with a coach then on to the next one. I'm just as guilty, it's just a shame it has to be like this. Most importantly fire Tuberville, and move on from that.

 

[M64W]

SURPRISED

I was surprised when I actually sat down and looked at the football roster. Does this surprise any of you? 17 seniors, 23 juniors, 18 sophomores, and 52 freshmen. Does it mean anything?

 

[UCBearcats]

Xavier got lucky with Cincy guy though also, don't you think? If Mack isn't from Cincy is he staying at Xavier?

Anyways, it's crazy how we have all hated the fact that we are a stepping stone football program but now we are begging to be one just to get a few good season with a coach then on to the next one. I'm just as guilty, it's just a shame it has to be like this. Most importantly fire Tuberville, and move on from that.

I've never hated on the stepping stone philosophy, it's not ideal but it is what it is. I have no ill will towards Dantonio, Kelly or Jones. I think each of them left for a better job than UC. People sometimes let their emotion as fans stand in the way of clear thinking.

As Jack said and he makes a great point, if you keep making the right hires and building along the way eventually you make the hire that isn't going to leave you. The only problem is it's hard to continually make the right hires, and when you've got a guy like Mike Bohn making the decisions it makes you worry.

 

[UCBearcats]

I was surprised when I actually sat down and looked at the football roster. Does this surprise any of you? 17 seniors, 23 juniors, 18 sophomores, and 52 freshmen. Does it mean anything?

I respect your keep Tommy troll job and your willingness to commit to it until the end. Nothing like going full heel on the message boards, eh?

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I've never hated on the stepping stone philosophy, it's not ideal but it is what it is. I have no ill will towards Dantonio, Kelly or Jones. I think each of them left for a better job than UC. People sometimes let their emotion as fans stand in the way of clear thinking.

As Jack said and he makes a great point, if you keep making the right hires and building along the way eventually you make the hire that isn't going to leave you. The only problem is it's hard to continually make the right hires, and when you've got a guy like Mike Bohn making the decisions it makes you worry.

Yeah I feel like a lot of people realize this is a stepping-stone type job. Not sure I've really ever seen any realistic people on here hating on the idea of being that kind of program at this time.

 

[GarradJ21]

Yeah I feel like a lot of people realize this is a stepping-stone type job. Not sure I've really ever seen any realistic people on here hating on the idea of being that kind of program at this time.

Yes, you may be right that on here people don't hate it and realize it is what it is, but like UCBearcat said above a lot of fans get very upset and let their emotions as fans take part. Jones and Kelly went from very well liked to absolutely hated when it happened. Even players were reacting and inserting confidence in the fan base that just because their coach left them doesn't mean the players were going to quit.

All-in-all I don't think any fan wants their school to just be a stepping stone, but what's even worse than a stepping-stone school is having a season like this. My point is it's a shame that those are basically are only two options unless one decides this is the right fit for 10 or so years. That's one thing at least with Cronin is, Bearcats basketball is pretty much his dream job, and produces a competitive team each year that gets us to the dance. I wish we had someone feel that way about our football program and each year could compete for an AAC title with hopes of breaking that one year with an undefeated season and a chance at the playoffs, that many thought Houston was going to do this year.

 

[XgradforUC]

I was surprised when I actually sat down and looked at the football roster. Does this surprise any of you? 17 seniors, 23 juniors, 18 sophomores, and 52 freshmen. Does it mean anything?

That the seniors and juniors have NOT developed into very good players...just ask Tubby....and what make anyone think that with the current coaches, the freshman will?

Also have to ask why the classes are evened out much more AND why, with such a large number of freshman (52) there aren't any that would seem to be IMPACT players? AND why the class was ranked so low when compared to other school in the conference? ....can't be for lack of numbers

What does it mean to YOU?

 

[ZCat]

This is an important point. If you are a G5 school you have to put points on the board. It is the great equalizer against any team that has better players than you. If you can get into a shootout you have a chance. I never understood when TT would say we are scoring too fast. I understand that he meant the D wasnt getting enough rest but it's not exactly the worst problem to have. Score as many points as you can and let the chips fall. It's also much more exciting to fans, recruits, and TV. I want a young hungry coach that want to move up the chain and has an offensive pedigree. I dont need stability. I want to win and I dont care how many coaches use us as a stepping stone. It's the mistake UC made with Tuberville. We traded our winning strategy for stability. The bride that wouldnt leave us. We should have kept with (I'll try not to puke as I type this) the Xavier model. They were a stepping stone school. Just kept hiring really good coaches who kept leaving them but they continued to build all along the way. They turned themselves into a destination job and now are rocking and rolling with a coach who isnt going to leave them. I dont think that formula is unrealistic with UC football. Just keep hiring the best guy available and things will work themselves out.

Appreciate your posts and balanced comments, Jack. There are several formulas that could work. I agree, keep hiring coaches that are young and hungry. The issue is if they are looking for their next job the whole time, do they actually " build" infrastructure" including recruiting. It takes a special coach to keep things going when the recruiting was subpar from the guy who quickly left.

I would think they would hope for someone who has an innovative offense or someone whom could really recruit - either d/t ties or charismatic personality. Will be interesting to watch it all unfold.