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Conference realignment stuff
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Crimedogg25
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NBC sports network has offered the football schools b/w 20-23 million a year for six years. Averages out to 2m per team. Ouch.
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NBC sports network has offered the football schools b/w 20-23 million a year for six years. Averages out to 2m per team. Ouch.
Are you serious!? So the C7 league will make more revenue per team than the Big East?? That is absurd!
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That is absurd. Just vote to dissolve this league already. What's the point? Syracuse and Pitt are gone. UL is leaving. Just pair up with UConn and start lining up when the ACC dominoes start falling.
The link above tells you how bad this new conference is...C7 schools with no football will be making more money than UC from their TV deal.
Lets put this into more relatable terms. Xavier, without a football team, will be making more money from their respective TV deal than UC who has a football team. That is absurd.
End this zombie conference
That is absurd. Just vote to dissolve this league already. What's the point? Syracuse and Pitt are gone. UL is leaving. Just pair up with UConn and start lining up when the ACC dominoes start falling.
The link above tells you how bad this new conference is...C7 schools with no football will be making more money than UC from their TV deal.
Lets put this into more relatable terms. Xavier, without a football team, will be making more money from their respective TV deal than UC who has a football team. That is absurd.
End this zombie conference
Agreed. Only issue is what benefit is there in ending it? C7's don't care anymore because they are leaving anyway. The CUSA teams consider this good news. UCONN and UC don't have a better option right now. Instead they are just sitting back and waiting for dominoes again. What's our other option? It's not like we can go independent. None of this means anything until we are asked to sign paperwork.
I really do envy the teams headed to the ACC right now. Can you imagine the buzz around UC athletics next year with Tuberville, Lawrence and a new conference?
That is absurd. Just vote to dissolve this league already. What's the point? Syracuse and Pitt are gone. UL is leaving. Just pair up with UConn and start lining up when the ACC dominoes start falling.
The link above tells you how bad this new conference is...C7 schools with no football will be making more money than UC from their TV deal.
Lets put this into more relatable terms. Xavier, without a football team, will be making more money from their respective TV deal than UC who has a football team. That is absurd.
End this zombie conference
Dissolving the Big East leaves UC, UConn, and USF in no man's land. As bad as $24 to $30 million a year seems it is equal to what the Mountain West is signing for with 12 teams. It is double that of the MAC TV contract.
UC's best and really only option is to stay the course in the Big East, make the Big East the best conference it can be, and get a better TV deal for the Big East in 6 years. ACC dominos are not going to fall, ESPN is renegotiating the ACC contract, the ACC is staying in tact with its present 14 members plus ND for basketball.
XU will not make more money from their TV deal as the A-10's deal is for $350,000 per team per year. If X gets in with the C7 they still make less as it is not going to be an equal revenue split. Of the proposed $41 million a year Fox deal with the C7, each C7 school is going to take $5 million with the remaining $6 million split 5 ways by the other schools.
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Dissolving the Big East leaves UC, UConn, and USF in no man's land. As bad as $24 to $30 million a year seems it is equal to what the Mountain West is signing for with 12 teams. It is double that of the MAC TV contract.
UC's best and really only option is to stay the course in the Big East, make the Big East the best conference it can be, and get a better TV deal for the Big East in 6 years. ACC dominos are not going to fall, ESPN is renegotiating the ACC contract, the ACC is staying in tact with its present 14 members plus ND for basketball.
XU will not make more money from their TV deal as the A-10's deal is for $350,000 per team per year. If X gets in with the C7 they still make less as it is not going to be an equal revenue split. Of the proposed $41 million a year Fox deal with the C7, each C7 school is going to take $5 million with the remaining $6 million split 5 ways by the other schools.
From the article posted:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...-catholic-7-close-reaching-media-rights-deals
The Catholic 7 schools -- DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall and Villanova -- haven't formed a new league yet, but Fox Sports has been the leader for their media rights, sources said. Fox Sports' offer would be worth between $30 million and $40 million per year depending on how many teams are in the league, sources said.
10 teams at 30 mil in the C7 = $3mil/year for each school
12 teams at 40 mil in the C7 = #3.3mil/year for each school
By comparison, NBC Sports Network's current offer would earn each Big East member about $2 million annually, depending if the league has 11 or 12 members. Navy is scheduled to join in 2015 as its 11th member.
Therefore we can deduce that 3 or 3.3 million is greater than 2 million. Then we can further deduce that any member of the C7 will make more money from the TV deal than any team in the New Big East. Ok, so X makes slightly less revenue than UC their first 5 years or whatever the deal is. So that means Georgetown/St Johns/Marquette/Seton Hall/Providence/Depaul/Nova make SIGNIFICANTLY MORE than what UC makes in the current Big East. Are you honestly happy about that?!?
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From the article posted:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...-catholic-7-close-reaching-media-rights-deals
10 teams at 30 mil in the C7 = $3mil/year for each school
12 teams at 40 mil in the C7 = #3.3mil/year for each school
Therefore we can deduce that 3 or 3.3 million is greater than 2 million. Then we can further deduce that any member of the C7 will make more money from the TV deal than any team in the New Big East. Ok, so X makes slightly less revenue than UC their first 5 years or whatever the deal is. So that means Georgetown/St Johns/Marquette/Seton Hall/Providence/Depaul/Nova make SIGNIFICANTLY MORE than what UC makes in the current Big East. Are you honestly happy about that?!?
It is what it is. Both the C7 and the new Big East will get what the perceived market value is at the time the deals are done. The numbers are all speculation at the present time. Need to wait until the contracts are signed to make a judgement. The C7 deal with Fox is supposedly for 12 years while the Big East deal with NBC is for 6 years. Maybe ESPN bids $50 million a year for the Big East. Maybe after 6 years the new Big East is a "hot" property and the TV rights go for $150 million a year. Time will tell, nothing is for sure at the present time.
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Long time reader, first time poster. Im compelled to post now because my boss told me some bizarre news today. He is an alum, donor, and season ticket holder in both football and basketball. He told me that UC and UCONN will accept invites to the big 12 by march madness and possibly as soon as next week. I searched everywhere online and have found nothing on this but my boss is not a BSer and would not volunteer that information unless he knew something. Does anyone know anything about this? I really don't think the big 12 would grab UCONN unless other eastern schools are added. I do remember hearing the big 12 commissioner say that they were not looking to take schools from another conference, so unless he means ND and BYU, I assume he means from a BCS conference, so that could very well be UC and UCONN. Also, WVUs AD has made it clear the conference is going to expand. This is going to get interesting very soon and when there's smoke there is fire. There have been numerous curious happenings going on in Clifton lately (nippert expansion, micks comments, prez ono's persistence on patience, TT hiring, Jermaine Lawrence commit, and the TE that was UCs highest ever rated recruit) so I believe UC is poised to jump ship. I can't wait to see how it all unfolds. Our geographic position, academic credentials and athletic prowess allow us to be realistic candidates to join 4 BCS conferences (yes, even the Big 10 via politics) and we could end up in a position of power to determine our own destiny.
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Long time reader, first time poster. Im compelled to post now because my boss told me some bizarre news today. He is an alum, donor, and season ticket holder in both football and basketball. He told me that UC and UCONN will accept invites to the big 12 by march madness and possibly as soon as next week. I searched everywhere online and have found nothing on this but my boss is not a BSer and would not volunteer that information unless he knew something. Does anyone know anything about this? I really don't think the big 12 would grab UCONN unless other eastern schools are added. I do remember hearing the big 12 commissioner say that they were not looking to take schools from another conference, so unless he means ND and BYU, I assume he means from a BCS conference, so that could very well be UC and UCONN. Also, WVUs AD has made it clear the conference is going to expand. This is going to get interesting very soon and when there's smoke there is fire. There have been numerous curious happenings going on in Clifton lately (nippert expansion, micks comments, prez ono's persistence on patience, TT hiring, Jermaine Lawrence commit, and the TE that was UCs highest ever rated recruit) so I believe UC is poised to jump ship. I can't wait to see how it all unfolds. Our geographic position, academic credentials and athletic prowess allow us to be realistic candidates to join 4 BCS conferences (yes, even the Big 10 via politics) and we could end up in a position of power to determine our own destiny.
First off, welcome to the board; always love new insight (unless it is BearcatMick's). I pray that your boss is correct, but I won't get my hopes up. There have been far too many mirages in conference realignment. Like I said, nothing would shock me anymore and this could make sense. I'm sure the Big 12 would like some schools to make West Virginia less of an island and to scoop up really the only remaining schools without raiding other conferences. Mike DeCourcy wrote an article that the "vulnerable" conferences (ACC and Big 12) need to make a power move to secure themselves. I would LOVE if your boss was correct and only time will tell. Can I have his number so I can find out his sources? Kidding...kind of.
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Ill let that ad hominem attack slide this time scheids.
I hope we are in the b12 as well but I don't see it happening unless they go to 14 or 16. Some of The acc schools unfortunately have a leg up on us
I hope we are in the b12 as well but I don't see it happening unless they go to 14 or 16. Some of The acc schools unfortunately have a leg up on us
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Lol, I asked and he wouldn't tell me his source. I do know that he does the play-by-play for a local high school football team so I would guess it is an assistant football coach or scout. If this is true, I hope the Big 12 goes to 16 and picks up Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse and USF. Pitt and Louisville for the rivalries; Syracuse and USF for NY & FL presence in TV and recruiting. When these conferences finally get to 16, do you know how the champion will be decided? Is there a 4-game playoff amongst the 4 winners of each pod, or do the top 2 teams play for it? If four of these conferences are formed, and they played a 4-team playoff, that would essentially be equivalent to having a "Sweet Sixteen" one-and-doner. I think that would make for an exciting month+ of TV, and the games could be sprinkled throughout the month of December to augment my interest in CFB while the Beef O'Bradys bowl and the likes are polluting the airwaves.
Long time reader, first time poster. Im compelled to post now because my boss told me some bizarre news today. He is an alum, donor, and season ticket holder in both football and basketball. He told me that UC and UCONN will accept invites to the big 12 by march madness and possibly as soon as next week. I searched everywhere online and have found nothing on this but my boss is not a BSer and would not volunteer that information unless he knew something. Does anyone know anything about this? I really don't think the big 12 would grab UCONN unless other eastern schools are added. I do remember hearing the big 12 commissioner say that they were not looking to take schools from another conference, so unless he means ND and BYU, I assume he means from a BCS conference, so that could very well be UC and UCONN. Also, WVUs AD has made it clear the conference is going to expand. This is going to get interesting very soon and when there's smoke there is fire. There have been numerous curious happenings going on in Clifton lately (nippert expansion, micks comments, prez ono's persistence on patience, TT hiring, Jermaine Lawrence commit, and the TE that was UCs highest ever rated recruit) so I believe UC is poised to jump ship. I can't wait to see how it all unfolds. Our geographic position, academic credentials and athletic prowess allow us to be realistic candidates to join 4 BCS conferences (yes, even the Big 10 via politics) and we could end up in a position of power to determine our own destiny.
Your boss is more than likely hoping this will happen or is very misinformed. The Big 12 is not going to add UC or UConn. The Big 12 has been very clear that they will only add teams that add $26 million a year to the value of the Big 12 TV contract. Neither UC or UConn does this. The Big 12 has been very clear that they are very happy at 10. They like the round robin schedule for football and basketball that a membership of 10 provides. The Big 12, especially Texas, has no interest in a football conference championship game. If your boss really believes UC and UConn are getting Big 12 invites he is going to be an extremely disappointed individual.
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I agree, but with the Maryland case unresolved, and the Big Ten putting pressure on the other conferences to expand before they invite coveted schools, the Big 12 can not afford to be reactive.
I agree, but with the Maryland case unresolved, and the Big Ten putting pressure on the other conferences to expand before they invite coveted schools, the Big 12 can not afford to be reactive.
P.S. Ralph is another person to ignore for your own sanity.
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Your boss is more than likely hoping this will happen or is very misinformed. The Big 12 is not going to add UC or UConn. The Big 12 has been very clear that they will only add teams that add $26 million a year to the value of the Big 12 TV contract. Neither UC or UConn does this. The Big 12 has been very clear that they are very happy at 10. They like the round robin schedule for football and basketball that a membership of 10 provides. The Big 12, especially Texas, has no interest in a football conference championship game. If your boss really believes UC and UConn are getting Big 12 invites he is going to be an extremely disappointed individual.
Texas only accounts for 10% of the vote and FSU and Clemson would increase their annual deal, but at what cost? The reason the Big 12 is even considering expansion is because they can't get into the national title game without a CCG. Adding FSU and Clemson do increase that $20 million/ year for the Big 12, but the conference becomes even tougher. Kansas is the only true slouch in the conference as of now, and adding two more power programs will decrease the likelihood of any zero and 1 loss teams. The opportunity to compete for championships outweighs the marginal boost in $/yr. The Big 12 employed this tactic with the addition of TCU.
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P.S. Ralph is another person to ignore for your own sanity.
Lol, I've been reading long enough to know that.
Texas only accounts for 10% of the vote and FSU and Clemson would increase their annual deal, but at what cost? The reason the Big 12 is even considering expansion is because they can't get into the national title game without a CCG. Adding FSU and Clemson do increase that $20 million/ year for the Big 12, but the conference becomes even tougher. Kansas is the only true slouch in the conference as of now, and adding two more power programs will decrease the likelihood of any zero and 1 loss teams. The opportunity to compete for championships outweighs the marginal boost in $/yr. The Big 12 employed this tactic with the addition of TCU.
Interesting thought process; I never thought of it that way.
Texas only accounts for 10% of the vote and FSU and Clemson would increase their annual deal, but at what cost? The reason the Big 12 is even considering expansion is because they can't get into the national title game without a CCG. Adding FSU and Clemson do increase that $20 million/ year for the Big 12, but the conference becomes even tougher. Kansas is the only true slouch in the conference as of now, and adding two more power programs will decrease the likelihood of any zero and 1 loss teams. The opportunity to compete for championships outweighs the marginal boost in $/yr. The Big 12 employed this tactic with the addition of TCU.
A conference championship game is not needed to get into the 4 team playoff, if it was how could ND ever get in?
No school currently in the ACC will leave the ACC to join the Big 12.