Fifth Third Arena Renovation

[UCalum08]

The banks or UCalums place? I'm changing my vote to the gardens haha I'm in

Yesss, you and Jacob are in. Let's go Gardens!!!

 

[BCM]

Waded through pages of the usual bullshit to see if there was any news on the arena front. This place in the offseason can get unbearable.

 

[mdchick]

Waded through pages of the usual bullshit to see if there was any news on the arena front. This place in the offseason can get unbearable.

Wish there was like a color coding to posts to show if a post was opinionated or fact, because I really don't care about the opinions I just want to see actual facts.

 

[L-T]

Wish there was like a color coding to posts to show if a post was opinionated or fact, because I really don't care about the opinions I just want to see actual facts.

......and then when we have to read someone's opinion about opinions, that is just the worst of all worlds.

 

[BearcatSpaniard513]

I see your point, but honestly they are increasing club seats and boxes dramatically so there is way more potential. Even if you got $20 per seat for those 1676, you're talking $33,520. Times 20 games it's $670,400. You can sell a few private boxes and get that. I get your point is have all that stuff plus the extra seats but you have to realize they are limited to the space they have. They can't fund a $300 million arena to build a Yum Center. And I'm just throwing that number out there. The four walls are where they are. The new arena will have the potential to make more money sold out than the current one does sold out and that's how the university looks at it.

Totally agree. I think those 1,676 up top or blocked in the corner that we sellout once or twice a year aren't worth it. I think attendance is down across major sports in the US because of the experience you get from home. How many of us go to the games, but still record them? I know I do lol.

Someone mentioned before they need to do some more work marketing to get people in the door. They've added some nice touches the past couple years like the Bearcat repelling down from the rafters, the Juncta Juvant and Ruckus banners the student sections pull over themselves before the games. I think those are great and get the crowd pumped up before the game. Top 25 rankings, top recruiting classes, conference championships and tourney runs are really what helps our ticket managers get people in the door.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Totally agree. I think those 1,676 up top or blocked in the corner that we sellout once or twice a year aren't worth it. I think attendance is down across major sports in the US because of the experience you get from home. How many of us go to the games, but still record them? I know I do lol.

Someone mentioned before they need to do some more work marketing to get people in the door. They've added some nice touches the past couple years like the Bearcat repelling down from the rafters, the Juncta Juvant and Ruckus banners the student sections pull over themselves before the games. I think those are great and get the crowd pumped up before the game. Top 25 rankings, top recruiting classes, conference championships and tourney runs are really what helps our ticket managers get people in the door.

I have always been a person that prefers to go to the games in person but if I have to sit in the upper deck on the benches at 5th/3rd I prefer to stay home or go to a bar and watch the game. Cintas, UD and The Schott are all better venues in my opinion.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

......and then when we have to read someone's opinion about opinions, that is just the worst of all worlds.

Lol.

 

[#BearcatNation]

I have always been a person that prefers to go to the games in person but if I have to sit in the upper deck on the benches at 5th/3rd I prefer to stay home or go to a bar and watch the game. Cintas, UD and The Schott are all better venues in my opinion.

I feel exactly the same. I absolutely love going to UC games, and make a point to get a package every year, but I will do anything to avoid the high-up bleachers. Unless it's a big game, I'd turn down free tickets in the high-up bleachers to just watch it at home on my 60". And I'm only 15 minutes outside of Clifton. I always get chairbacks. The backless benches are awfully uncomfortable, and I despise the low-hanging rafters. Just an ugly view that my TV beats every time. I can't wait till the new arena has those everywhere. I may increase my 5 games/year to season tickets.

 

[mdchick]

......and then when we have to read someone's opinion about opinions, that is just the worst of all worlds.

Exactly I don't want to make posts like this but you come on here and praise the moderator of doing a good job, which I don't see. But he would do something good if he could highlight all the fact posts in blue or something like that.

 

[#BearcatNation]

Can. We. Please. Stay. On. Topic.

 

[UCBearcats]

when you're in the camp that wants cincinnati to be on par with the dukes, kansases and north carolinas of the world, i think the burden of proof is on you.

so, again, let me ask: why should we be a top fifteen program? decent (but highly saturated) market, solid (but not outstanding) facilities, decent budget (but low relative to the average major college athletic department), decent academics (not really, but i'll call it that).

what reason is there to expect to be one of the best programs in the country?

The burden of what proof is on me? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.

Your original question was why should we expect to be a top 15 program and I said with this coach we shouldn't but we should expect to be trending towards that. So again, I'll repeat, this program peaked under Mick 5 years ago, we've regressed slightly since then. Why shouldn't fans expect progress? Is it really your position that UC fans should thank their lucky stars to just be in the tournament every year and should never question anything?

I'm 100% in the camp that wants UC to be on par with the Duke's and Kansas', and UNC's of the world. Why wouldn't any fan want that? Now I've never said that we should be at that level, you've basically picked 3 of the top 5 teams in the history of college basketball, no one is saying UC deserves a seat at that table.

I think once you get past those top 10 programs UC certainly has a claim to be somewhere in the next 10 spots. If you look up a list of top programs of all time almost every single major sports publication has UC somewhere in their top 20. So for you to act like it's not realistic to expect that is just stirring the pot or argument for the sake of argument. History has proven that UC is a top 20 program of all time. We have just as much right to expect that as an Arizona or an Ohio State.

We're so far buried in that list under Mick Cronin that I agree, it's not realistic as of today to expect a top 15 program. We've allowed Xavier, a team that built it's national reputation by upsetting us a few times in one of the sport's best rivalry games, to become a better program than us.

Mick Cronin never will get us back to that point, and I agree with you 100%, it's not realistic for anyone to expect that he will. That's the reason why so many of us would have loved to see him go.

 

[L-T]

Exactly I don't want to make posts like this but you come on here and praise the moderator of doing a good job, which I don't see. But he would do something good if he could highlight all the fact posts in blue or something like that.

I don't need all my posts highlighted in blue. I'm fine just blending in with the non-factual ones. But, thanks anyway.

 

[#BearcatNation]

LT, do you talk about anything else, ever? Serious question.

 

[Madman81]

The burden of what proof is on me? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.

Your original question was why should we expect to be a top 15 program and I said with this coach we shouldn't but we should expect to be trending towards that. So again, I'll repeat, this program peaked under Mick 5 years ago, we've regressed slightly since then. Why shouldn't fans expect progress? Is it really your position that UC fans should thank their lucky stars to just be in the tournament every year and should never question anything?

I'm 100% in the camp that wants UC to be on par with the Duke's and Kansas', and UNC's of the world. Why wouldn't any fan want that? Now I've never said that we should be at that level, you've basically picked 3 of the top 5 teams in the history of college basketball, no one is saying UC deserves a seat at that table.

I think once you get past those top 10 programs UC certainly has a claim to be somewhere in the next 10 spots. If you look up a list of top programs of all time almost every single major sports publication has UC somewhere in their top 20. So for you to act like it's not realistic to expect that is just stirring the pot or argument for the sake of argument. History has proven that UC is a top 20 program of all time. We have just as much right to expect that as an Arizona or an Ohio State.

We're so far buried in that list under Mick Cronin that I agree, it's not realistic as of today to expect a top 15 program. We've allowed Xavier, a team that built it's national reputation by upsetting us a few times in one of the sport's best rivalry games, to become a better program than us.

Mick Cronin never will get us back to that point, and I agree with you 100%, it's not realistic for anyone to expect that he will. That's the reason why so many of us would have loved to see him go.

i haven't at all touched upon what i want or think.

i am asking a simple question that hasn't really been answered.

what reason is there to expect to be a top 15 program? based on your answer, it seems like you are providing history as the sole reason. is that the case?

am i missing something besides history? because, as i laid out earlier, all current factors that come to mind - facilities, budget, academic quality, market - certainly don't seem reflective of a top 15 program.

what am i missing?

 

[L-T]

LT, do you talk about anything else, ever? Serious question.

Nope, Bearcat Basketball is my passion. Do you talk about anything else besides me? Serious question.

 

[#BearcatNation]

Nope, Bearcat Basketball is my passion. Do you talk about anything else besides me? Serious question.

Quite a few things, actually. Check out some other threads.

 

[L-T]

i haven't at all touched upon what i want or think.

i am asking a simple question that hasn't really been answered.

what reason is there to expect to be a top 15 program? based on your answer, it seems like you are providing history as the sole reason. is that the case?

am i missing something besides history? because, as i laid out earlier, all current factors that come to mind - facilities, budget, academic quality, market[/U] - certainly don't seem reflective of a top 15 program.

what am i missing?

A lot....evidently.

 

[UCBearcats]

i haven't at all touched upon what i want or think.

i am asking a simple question that hasn't really been answered.

what reason is there to expect to be a top 15 program? based on your answer, it seems like you are providing history as the sole reason. is that the case?

am i missing something besides history? because, as i laid out earlier, all current factors that come to mind - facilities, budget, academic quality, market - certainly don't seem reflective of a top 15 program.

what am i missing?

I said we shouldn't expect at this point in time to be a top 15 team, I'm agreeing with you. I think what you're missing in that list is quality of the coaching staff and the players we recruit.

The facilities are crap and that is currently being addressed with the new arena set to open in 2018. The budget is fine and on par with other major programs so I'm not really sure what you mean by budget. I didn't realize academic quality was a factor in building a strong basketball program so I guess you'll need to explain that one to me. There is nothing wrong with the market in Cincinnati, it's prime for a winner. This city has proven time and time again that it will support a team that wins with consistency. We did it with UC basketball in the 90's, UC Football in the mid 2000's, Reds baseball in that same time frame and Bengals Football for the better part of the last decade. Cincinnati fans have suffered with bad and mediocre teams for the better part of the last 25 years. If you even give them a glimpse of success at the highest levels they'll rally behind the team no matter what.

 

[Madman81]

are you telling me that those things - market, academic quality, facilities and budget - are indicative of a program that should be in the top 15?

 

[L-T]

are you telling me that those things - market, academic quality, facilities and budget - are indicative of a program that should be in the top 15?

.....and history.....absolutely!