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Maybe, but Cronin has a better situation here. Money, low expectations, home.
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Maybe, but Cronin has a better situation here. Money, low expectations, home.
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I think your right. I wish he would have taken it. Not because I think he is a bad coach but because he has always been in a tough spot here. He followed Huggins who to many is a legend. Not only that but when Bob was let go he fought the outcome for a year further dividing the fan base. Mick will never win many of them over regardless what he does. He has done a great job getting us back on track so to speak. He should utilize his success and seek a better opportunity. Then the new coach can come in and hopefully unite the fans and delivery on what Mick has started. A win for everyone.
Of course Bettering what Mick has delivered will not be easy and it scares me but it is what I think.
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The low expectations would be really nice to go along with the millions. Literally do anything and people will die for you without a second's thought. He's like a cult leader lol (jk jk relax).
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He had a great opportunity to win everyone over for good this year. But he did the impossible and went down in flames instead. I really don't know if he'll ever recover here. And I totally get what you mean about a new opportunity for him. Could be best for everyone.
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I think we are all scared. We could easily backslide if Mick falters and leaves/fired but I have to think a LOT of really good coaches would consider this a top 25 job considering the leeway (Mick gets 15 years!), all the resources (arena, donors), and the money. Problem is I don't think selecting a good coach is a given. I am at the point where I think we need to try something different. My attitude would be much different if we had another 4/5 star recruit coming.
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Our future after Mick leaving could depend on if he takes LD with him. If so, good. If not, we wouldn't be dumb enough to hire him as the head coach would we? Bc that would be a disaster.
It'd be cool to have new school coaches (Savino doesn't count for this bc he gets it) who like actually have twitter accounts and use them. Stuff like that. Everywhere you look on twitter, you see stuff about our football recruits getting offers, being excited, coming on campus, having graphics and animations made for them, etc. It's a new age. Savino is the only one on our staff active in that world in any way.
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I would basically look for a young guy with strong NBA ties who has a proven track record of recruiting.
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Mick didn't get 15 years he earned them.That is my view. He inherited a dumpster fire started by Bob and Nancy. He has made the dance 8 straight years. Check out the names on that list. If how he does in the NCAA is what your basing your opinion on I guess your unhappy. Like you I would like more success in the tourney but getting there is not a given either. Nor is yearly competing for league titles even in the AAC especially when your not a one and done school but a school that relys on 4 year players who must develop. As for Mick and his recruiting I see things differently. First Mick was credited by one HOF coach and another soon to be HOF'er in Huggins for being a very good recruiter. Replacing his expertise will not be easy. He is one of the best. So much so they hired him. Finding someone to recruit under our current parameters will not be easy for anyone. Not saying its impossible but it certainly is not a slam dunk. We are a good program because of Micks ability not in spite of him. Whoever replaces him will need to be very good because he has set the bar very high regardless if its realistic or not. Lets say you hire a guy who comes in and doesn't make the tourney for a few years. How will that sit with you? Does he get a honeymoon? I mean Mick wins at least 20 games a year and makes the dance now. If the newcomer regresses what then? Are you wiling to wait it out or try again. While your waiting suppose attendance slips or the FB team is still not filling the Nip. How will that impact the bottom line. Lots of moving parts in the process of replacing Mick. Some big time risk both monetarily and performance driven. I guess what I'm trying to say is that finding a guy to better what we currently have will not be easy. Much risk associated with a decision like that. We could both sit here and throw names or situations at each other supporting our stances but in the end I think we can both agree it won't be easy.
GOOD SHOOTERS
For the life of me, I do not understand this. These college players basically work at the game 24/7 year around. They have managers work with them every day tossing them the ball, working on moves etc., and they still can't shoot the ball very well. Free throw percentage is woeful. So the idea of teaching someone to shoot is not very easy, and yet we recruit guys that can dunk but can't shoot--puzzling!
For the life of me, I do not understand this. These college players basically work at the game 24/7 year around. They have managers work with them every day tossing them the ball, working on moves etc., and they still can't shoot the ball very well. Free throw percentage is woeful. So the idea of teaching someone to shoot is not very easy, and yet we recruit guys that can dunk but can't shoot--puzzling!
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I see what your saying but you not only have to shoot you have to guard. More to the game then standing at the 3 point line waiting for a shot. I will concede that the game is evolving away from post play. In todays game you have to be able to knockdown open looks or go home. I think you will see that come into effect more as time goes on. Even in the NBA the 3 is a huge weapon. Big scoring centers better have range. Game is certainly changing my friend.
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I agree replacing Mick will not be easy. However, when Huggins was fired (awful decision and process) in my estimation we were Louisville's contemporary. Since that period of time they have won a national title, moved on to an all time secure conference, and completely left UC in the dust in $, recruiting and national relevance. I will always appreciate Mick for coming into a bad situation and getting us close to where this program was and needs to be. But I'm done collecting participation trophies; that is and always will be below my expectations.
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I think you and I are closer to each others views then you may realize. I am not happy with our present condition and certainly want more but I do feel that the deck is stacked against us. Funny you mentioned Louisville as a comparison. Hookers, Prostitutions and payouts. Maybe that is why we were left in the dust. I really think all things being equal in the NCAA us led by Mick could compete at a very high level. Unfortunately as the FBI probe will prove that isn't possible. And that outlines my fear of changing coaches. Without a equal playing field whoever we get better be able to build on what Mick has accomplished. That will not be a slam dunk.
Recruit the scorers and then coach them up on D. Cumberland and SK are not super athletic but they have great instincts and make up for it. We probably got them because they lacked athleticism but it's not like they couldn't run.
Can we get more guys like that? I know most of the guys we get are going to have something missing in their game...but I would prefer it be the super athlete part and not the skills part.
Or bring in an assistant who can help add a missing skill? Williams needs a shot and Moore needs ball handling/driving. Improve either player on the missing skill and they are much more complete. Cronin doesn't seem to be getting job done on developing skills. We are limited in upside if we continue to not address this problem.
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I know we haven't doe well in NCAA but we have two 30 win season back to back. Was blowing a 22 point lead lack of development? Mick gets plenty out of his players. The funny thing is if he wins the Nevada game and goes on to a elite 8 he is probably the greatest thing since sliced bread.
I really think Mick recruits kids who fit his style and that he has a legitimate shot at getting. His results other then the NCAA have been quite good.
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I think why I struggle with Mick's results so much is because we have been so close. I think that is what frustrates most people.
How about if Gary Clark isn't playing on one leg. Does anyone think we lose a close game to St,Joesph?
How about the game against UCONN. A freaking 3/4 length court shot and they go on to win the NCAA.
We are better then 99% favorable to beat Nevada with a 22 point lead and 11 minutes to go and we blow the game.
If we win those games we are not even having this conversation.
How about if Gary Clark isn't playing on one leg. Does anyone think we lose a close game to St,Joesph?
How about the game against UCONN. A freaking 3/4 length court shot and they go on to win the NCAA.
We are better then 99% favorable to beat Nevada with a 22 point lead and 11 minutes to go and we blow the game.
If we win those games we are not even having this conversation.
We are a 4 year program. I expect each player to get marginally better over that course of time by default. What I am referring to is getting more than that marginal improvement (on offense).
I for one would not have considered putting Cronin on any pedestals until he not only had the success (in the tourney) but then validated it again. He's had time to do both. We are back to square 1 instead of being on square 2 now.
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Being at square 1 is a reality every year. You have to make the tourney to do well in the tourney. Define your idea of a successful program.
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Come on man. I'm not exonerating Mick. He certainly deserves criticism for the loss but blowing a 22 point lead with 11 minutes to go is a loss that all parties had a hand in.Yes, the lack of development of our coaches.
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We definitely are pretty close in viewpoints. I bring up Louisville specifically because of their unique situation/trajectory. The hookers, payouts, cheating etc. is obviously not good and I would never go on record saying I would welcome it here. But if everyone is doing it and we are hurting cause we don't look the other way and bend the rules than that's a problem. This investigation/scandal stuff will pretty quickly fade away and in 10 years the only thing people will remember is the national title and their current position in a power conference with a historic top 10 team. That is a trade off I would do 100 times out of 100 if I were being perfectly honest with myself.