Future Team

[kskenyon4]

Of course not but some of the teams in the AAC should be in the NEC (I’m joking). But I’m just saying you have to give a kid the opportunity that’s all.

Cane's usage rate is second on Cincinnati so far this year (23.5, same as SHU freshman year). So while on the floor, he gets his chance. While his minutes are 6th. When he committed, he knew Jenifer was on the roster, and more than likely didn't think the above would be any different.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Of course not but some of the teams in the AAC should be in the NEC (I’m joking). But I’m just saying you have to give a kid the opportunity that’s all.

Things are really going to start heating up down the stretch. We can win games against most teams with a player less than 100% sitting out or working back slowly until fully healthy. If Broome can get in a rhythm by the time we get to the @SMU, @Houston, and Wichita games, plus tournaments, he could easily be our X-Factor. His ability translates in March.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Is it a crazy idea to bring Keith Williams along as a backup PG for the Logan Johnson years? I'm not saying only be a backup PG, hopefully he'd be a starting wing. But he handles the ball pretty well and isn't someone we'd want taking a lot of outside shots. He can get into the teeth of the defense. His length would make him good on the ball defensively. I just don't know if he has that mentality though. He looks to get his a lot. Often to his detriment. It's hard to tell how his career is going to go. He needs to slow down. He wants it so bad. But he must learn how to play in the flow. It's looking like a big challenge at this point, but there is still a lot of hope for him. Hopefully Evans stays and it gives Williams another year to develop. But the thought of him bringing it up at times as an older player seemed interesting to me.

 

[UCalum08]

Is it a crazy idea to bring Keith Williams along as a backup PG for the Logan Johnson years? I'm not saying only be a backup PG, hopefully he'd be a starting wing. But he handles the ball pretty well and isn't someone we'd want taking a lot of outside shots. He can get into the teeth of the defense. His length would make him good on the ball defensively. I just don't know if he has that mentality though. He looks to get his a lot. Often to his detriment. It's hard to tell how his career is going to go. He needs to slow down. He wants it so bad. But he must learn how to play in the flow. It's looking like a big challenge at this point, but there is still a lot of hope for him. Hopefully Evans stays and it gives Williams another year to develop. But the thought of him bringing it up at times as an older player seemed interesting to me.

Some good thoughts Jacob. Over the years of watching our freshman play, I have notice a very common trait with them. They all settle for way more jump shots than anything else. Specifically in Keith's case, it's tough to watch at times because it's obvious his strength is getting to the rim. Even as a freshman you can tell he excels at that. Freshman in general I think struggle to find their game with limited playing time and the game adjustment of being on the floor with better players just seems like a recipe for settling for jumpers. Diarra falls into this category as well. I really hope Keith continues to grow this season and doesn't shy away from what his strengths are right now. Because his jump shot is not one right now.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Anyone else kind of relieved that T Moore and Nsoseme are making the bigger impact out of our FR? Williams and Diarra are both higher ceiling players in terms of athleticism, so I actually don't mind if it takes them a little longer. Bc for them, it's more about learning the flow of the game. But Moore and Nsoseme weren't nearly as highly rated, and I don't think Nsoseme was really even rated at all. So to see them make this transition removes any doubt about their ability to be contributing players at minimum. That's huge for us in the coming years.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Anyone else kind of relieved that T Moore and Nsoseme are making the bigger impact out of our FR? Williams and Diarra are both higher ceiling players in terms of athleticism, so I actually don't mind if it takes them a little longer. Bc for them, it's more about learning the flow of the game. But Moore and Nsoseme weren't nearly as highly rated, and I don't think Nsoseme was really even rated at all. So to see them make this transition removes any doubt about their ability to be contributing players at minimum. That's huge for us in the coming years.

Think about the flip side. I think we'd all be concerned if Moore and Nsoseme showed what Williams and Diarra have to this point. Bc they don't have the "prospect pedigree" to fall back on.

 

[cincrulz11]

Anyone else kind of relieved that T Moore and Nsoseme are making the bigger impact out of our FR? Williams and Diarra are both higher ceiling players in terms of athleticism, so I actually don't mind if it takes them a little longer. Bc for them, it's more about learning the flow of the game. But Moore and Nsoseme weren't nearly as highly rated, and I don't think Nsoseme was really even rated at all. So to see them make this transition removes any doubt about their ability to be contributing players at minimum. That's huge for us in the coming years.

It was apparent even at the red and black scrimmage (I believe I commented about it at the time) that Moore and Nsoseme were more college ready players.


I remember fighting people when they were saying Williams was on the level of Evans and Cumberland as freshman.


Nsoseme never stops working and is pretty athletic and agile for his size. Moore is so serious all the time. When it’s game time he’ll run through a brick wall.

 

[ZCat]

I like our backup bigs, I really do. It's just hard for me to phantom the thought of two of them being our starters next year. I know a lot can change from now until then including progression, but seeing what we have now and then switching it out for two of them hurts. We shall see how this unfolds but realistically I hope we get a JUCO or grad transfer.

Like someone has mentioned before we have had some good seasons where we haven't gotten offense out of bigs before. I just wish those days were over because having scorers like Gary and Kyle is the reason IMO that we are on a different level this and year last year than years past.

My prediction for next year is that Cane needs to be Cane. A 20+ scorer every night. I also truly think Evans will be gone.

Cane - Jennifer-Johnson
Cumberland - Moore
Williams
Scott - Mamoudou
Brooks - Eli

3 scollys left. I hope we save a scolly for a transfer though. I really love having a transfer come in.

We haven't talked about this a lot yet, but wouldn't that be a big leap for Williams. Could he make the big adjustment?

 

[jacobkdoyle]

It was apparent even at the red and black scrimmage (I believe I commented about it at the time) that Moore and Nsoseme were more college ready players.


I remember fighting people when they were saying Williams was on the level of Evans and Cumberland as freshman.


Nsoseme never stops working and is pretty athletic and agile for his size. Moore is so serious all the time. When it’s game time he’ll run through a brick wall.

When it's not game time next year, he and Logan Johnson will be having dance offs lol.

 

[AZ BEARCAT]

When it's not game time next year, he and Logan Johnson will be having dance offs lol.

Funny, he does have that football mind set on the court.

 

[cincyguy13]

Is it a crazy idea to bring Keith Williams along as a backup PG for the Logan Johnson years? I'm not saying only be a backup PG, hopefully he'd be a starting wing. But he handles the ball pretty well and isn't someone we'd want taking a lot of outside shots. He can get into the teeth of the defense. His length would make him good on the ball defensively. I just don't know if he has that mentality though. He looks to get his a lot. Often to his detriment. It's hard to tell how his career is going to go. He needs to slow down. He wants it so bad. But he must learn how to play in the flow. It's looking like a big challenge at this point, but there is still a lot of hope for him. Hopefully Evans stays and it gives Williams another year to develop. But the thought of him bringing it up at times as an older player seemed interesting to me.

i was going to post this, and then seen your post. From what I have seen, (limited), I think Keith would be best at PG for all the reasons you mentioned. I am not as big on Logan Johnson but it's impossible to tell with recruits that aren't 5 star guys. Not sure what he does well but I have only seen limited videos.

 

[Jon Rycek]

i was going to post this, and then seen your post. From what I have seen, (limited), I think Keith would be best at PG for all the reasons you mentioned. I am not as big on Logan Johnson but it's impossible to tell with recruits that aren't 5 star guys. Not sure what he does well but I have only seen limited videos.

Why wouldn't you be big on the brother of an NBA player?

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Is it a crazy idea to bring Keith Williams along as a backup PG for the Logan Johnson years? I'm not saying only be a backup PG, hopefully he'd be a starting wing. But he handles the ball pretty well and isn't someone we'd want taking a lot of outside shots. He can get into the teeth of the defense. His length would make him good on the ball defensively. I just don't know if he has that mentality though. He looks to get his a lot. Often to his detriment. It's hard to tell how his career is going to go. He needs to slow down. He wants it so bad. But he must learn how to play in the flow. It's looking like a big challenge at this point, but there is still a lot of hope for him. Hopefully Evans stays and it gives Williams another year to develop. But the thought of him bringing it up at times as an older player seemed interesting to me.

Not crazy at all Jake. Actually Mick likes having two guards on the floor that can handle the rock. You see it this year with Jacob and in past years Dixion was another. I also wouldn't worry about Williams and his shot. If I was betting I'd wager he spends a bunch of time in the gym when the season is over trying to find a shot.

 

[cincyguy13]

Why wouldn't you be big on the brother of an NBA player?

ok, he's the best. sorry

 

[Jon Rycek]

ok, he's the best. sorry

I'm just saying, what's your reasoning? He looks pretty darn good in the clips I've seen him in. He's pretty decently ranked, and climbing. And he's the brother of an NBA player. Those are reasons to be high on him, what are yours for not? Just wondering..

 

[cincyguy13]

Why wouldn't you be big on the brother of an NBA player?

He doesn't look that great to me. I am not a scout and have seen he play for 5 minutes. Could be and probably am wrong. I hope he's great.

 

[cincyguy13]

I'm just saying, what's your reasoning? He looks pretty darn good in the clips I've seen him in. He's pretty decently ranked, and climbing. And he's the brother of an NBA player. Those are reasons to be high on him, what are yours for not? Just wondering..

He looks like he's playing in a terrible league. Which isn't he's fault but also can't take much from it. Haven't seen him shoot much, which is always kind of scary. Shooting always helps. especially us. Like I said, it's so hard to tell because every highlight tape is going to make them look great, so you kind of have to try and break it down from 2000 miles away on a computer. I have no idea.

 

[mdchick]

I'm just saying, what's your reasoning? He looks pretty darn good in the clips I've seen him in. He's pretty decently ranked, and climbing. And he's the brother of an NBA player. Those are reasons to be high on him, what are yours for not? Just wondering..

I like Logan Johnson that being said, look at deshaun Morman and jermaine Lawrence highlights from highschool, I though both of them were going to be great players for us.

Jarron Cumberland on the other hand I wasn’t impressed with through highlights and obviously he is an incredible player.

Sometimes the tapes don’t show the truth

 

[cincyguy13]

I like Logan Johnson that being said, look at deshaun Morman and jermaine Lawrence highlights from highschool, I though both of them were going to be great players for us.

Jarron Cumberland on the other hand I wasn’t impressed with through highlights and obviously he is an incredible player.

Sometimes the tapes don’t show the truth

yeah, so hard to tell. jermaine lawrence looks like kevin garnett on his tape and he gets here and he's one of the worst players on our team. A lot of it is how hard the player is willing to work once they get here and no one can know that

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I like Logan Johnson that being said, look at deshaun Morman and jermaine Lawrence highlights from highschool, I though both of them were going to be great players for us.

Jarron Cumberland on the other hand I wasn’t impressed with through highlights and obviously he is an incredible player.

Sometimes the tapes don’t show the truth

Not sure Morman and Lawrence are the best examples. It wasn't really a talent issue with them. And it's hard to judge bc they didn't make it more than a year. Had they both stayed here for 4 years, who knows?

Here's what I know about Logan Johnson: He extremely athletic. He looks to be a very crafty finisher who can easily use both hands. He has legitimate PG skills and vision. He'll be behind 2 SR PGs as a FR while he learns the ropes. His brother went from walk-on to $50M NBA player bc he worked his ass off, so there's no doubt Logan knows how hard it is to make it. He seems to be very excited about coming to UC and is well aware that he's going to be coached hard. His brother is the one who told him to pick UC to toughen him up. I get zero impression that he's like Morman or Lawrence in any way. Morman had a bad attitude and Lawrence thought the program would revolve around him from day 1. He had handlers making decisions for him. I don't think Logan Johnson comes with that kind of baggage. He seems like a hard working kid who loves to hoop. As he adds strength and gains experience, his floor is extremely high in our conference just by virtue of being in our program and working with our players, coaches, and Rehfeldt. He fits our culture. We have humble workers. Guys who aren't afraid to grind. I don't think we would be bringing him in if we didn't think he fit in with what we have on the roster. And with the players we've been bringing in lately, I trust that our coaches know what they're doing. They aren't going to take an early commitment from a scrub, especially considering that we really need a PG for 2019-20. So the fact that they aren't still looking should tell you how they feel about him. And that's good enough for me. Obviously you can't just directly translate his HS tape to D1. You have to use your imagination. And nothing I have seen or heard steers me in the direction of projecting him out to be like the bad attitude busts from years ago.