This is weak. I think a lot of the reaction, at least for me, is that the consistency of the program is now very much in question. There were some delusional people that wanted Cronin gone and thought the incoming coach would step in and vault us to the next level instead of taking many steps back and having to rebuild the program. Obviously nothing is certain at this point, but the bad news keeps piling up and it's sure pointing to the latter. That's undeniable at this point.
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This is weak. I think a lot of the reaction, at least for me, is that the consistency of the program is now very much in question. There were some delusional people that wanted Cronin gone and thought the incoming coach would step in and vault us to the next level instead of taking many steps back and having to rebuild the program. Obviously nothing is certain at this point, but the bad news keeps piling up and it's sure pointing to the latter. That's undeniable at this point.
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Part of your goal as a new coach is winning over the new fan base with quick wins. Just helps an unfamiliar fan base feel confident about a guy they don’t know.
Be nice to hear some f*ckng good news about the basketball program I love.
New coach start with momentum. Meanwhile we’re starting off offering nobodies to come to cincinnati.
Things aren’t going to plan. That’s not a good start.
Once the games start I’ll be all in. I won’t nearly as jaded as all you Cronin haters were ever time we lost a game
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Preach.
We don’t lose players at cincinnati very often
We don’t have guys decommit.
This is all unfamiliar.
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whats weak is people flipping out after 3 weeks because they want to say i told you so.
next year always hinged on cumberland. i think he's going to do what he's going to do, the coach here didn't matter. losing brooks sucks but it appears that decision was made before brannen could do anything about it. losing samari isn't surprising but we shouldn't act like he was a top 25 guy, he's a fringe 150 guy, lets remember that.
people acknowledged the possibility that we'd take a hit early on in the process. you hope for a smooth transition, but its never guaranteed. sometimes you gotta take a bit of a hit to move past stagnation. 1 step back 2 steps forward is obviously the hope.
the idea wasn't a new coach would instantly take us to a final 4. the idea was a new coach could change the program and move it forward in time. the goal is to be better in the next 13 years than we've been in the previous 13 years.
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mick cronin was not fired. he chose to leave on his own.
mick cronin was not fired. he chose to leave on his own.
mick cronin was not fired. he chose to leave on his own.
mick cronin was not fired. he chose to leave on his own.
mick cronin was not fired. he chose to leave on his own.
When Brannen has a few year here and we make the S16, that’ll be pretty unfamiliar too!
It’s clear that the coaching change has affected next years team. I had hopes since it was an experienced squad that we had a shot at not a lot of change and even keeping Curtis if the program seemed stable. Hopes that Brannen would take the team left to the second weekend.
Well - hopes ain’t plans and ain’t reality in this case. Next year will be a struggle. Brannen has to get a terrific recruiting class in 2020...and that will be difficult.
At this point I think this program is in for a rougher than usual 3 year stretch at a minimum. Hoping Brannen can shorten that pain.
Look at Fickell though. That team had 0 improvement the first year. It was bad and I was worried. Look at his second year. So things can change quickly for the right coaching staff.
No kidding. Unsure why people keep talking about wanting mick out at this point. He left. He was the one that wanted out because he couldn’t win in march here. He knew either his recruiting or his coaching was a problem in March. Now at a blueblood...no recruiting excuses and he will find out which it was.
"Quick wins" can be another way of saying "quick news". I would rather it all be well thought out. Here are some quick wins for you. Tre SCott is all in as well as a bunch of other players like Williams etc. Rehfeldt has been retained. The coach is out beating the trail late in the game.
AS to offering nobodies. I think many of us would be happy if Sloan came over and it's down to 2. We offered Loveday for 2020. How much was left in 2019? And maybe Brannen sees something in recruits he was working with for NKU...that would still work for us...who knows. Maybe he sees a backup plan for his A list. Maybe he sees someone who can do some things in year 3 or 4.
Give it a rest and let the man do his job. After the 2020 class and a couple years of coaching we will see how he's doing. He's not going anywhere. The last thing this program needs is another fractured fan base of people who have little patience and over react. If you want some quick news go read a paper.
I look at this Domask guy from WI and I say no thanks. But the man can shoot and score. He looks slow and has bad handles. So let's just say for some reason Brannen offers. Maybe he's thinking get him in there with Rehfeldt and work on his ball skills for 2 years and he becomes a much bigger threat.
Nobody knows...but this coach is not stupid. He's not thinking he can win with NKU recruits if that's all he offers. Geezus give the man just a little credit and see what happens.
Nobody knows...but this coach is not stupid. He's not thinking he can win with NKU recruits if that's all he offers. Geezus give the man just a little credit and see what happens.
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Lets all remember these guys build a relationship with the coach who actually recruits them. We are all die hard UC fans and that's why we look at it from the stand point of when you sign to play here you are signing to play for the school and not the coach. 90% of the time that is not the case, this isn't Duke where the name speaks for itself. They don't have a loyalty to the University like we do because we are fans and they are players. Its like if you grew up in Cincy and committed to Rhode Island (a school I don't know much about) to play for Danny Hurley and then Danny Hurley takes the UConn job, do you really think you are going to stay committed to Rhode Island and not evaluate your choices? 9/10 times hell no because the relationship you built was with the coach and not Rhode Island. I would evaluate all my options at that point too.
IMO coaches evaluate there options all the time, players should too. Sucks to lose Samari but so be it.
IMO coaches evaluate there options all the time, players should too. Sucks to lose Samari but so be it.
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When Brannen has a few year here and we make the S16, that’ll be pretty unfamiliar too!
It’s clear that the coaching change has affected next years team. I had hopes since it was an experienced squad that we had a shot at not a lot of change and even keeping Curtis if the program seemed stable. Hopes that Brannen would take the team left to the second weekend.
Well - hopes ain’t plans and ain’t reality in this case. Next year will be a struggle. Brannen has to get a terrific recruiting class in 2020...and that will be difficult.
At this point I think this program is in for a rougher than usual 3 year stretch at a minimum. Hoping Brannen can shorten that pain.
Look at Fickell though. That team had 0 improvement the first year. It was bad and I was worried. Look at his second year. So things can change quickly for the right coaching staff.
While the record was identical from Tuberville's last season to Fickell's first, to say that the team had zero improvement is to say you didn't see the team play. Despite having a lot less talent, there were drastic changes in that first year. The defense backs actually started turning their heads and making plays on the ball - Tuberville was coaching guys to play the man and not turn. The team was cohesive and played hard together. Essentially Tuberville won 4 games with 7-8 win talent, and Fickell won 4 with 1-2 win talent.
Brannen is going to have a similar problem in year one (he will likely have a less talented team). If he matches Cronin's final year performance, that would be a very encouraging sign.
Yeah that was kinda my point...and yes I meant in the win category. As fans we look at W-L record, and we should. But during these transitions you have to look deeper to see what is being built...or what isn't being built.
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are our fans aware our last couple classes include trevor moore, eliel nsoseme, and laquill hardnett?
and we are really upset about a couple names of guys brannen is recruiting?
Trevor Moore 340
Eliel Nsoseme 471
LaQuill Hardnett 264
Marcus Domask 414
seems to fit right in to me.
True...this is one of the things that needs to change. And can't blame CJB this late into this recruiting season.
Haha, interesting tactic. That's like hating your girlfriend, saying how much you want to be with someone else, then calling her a bitch when she breaks up with you. Do better, cuz you're not upset he chose to leave.
In the case of Brannen, I'm in no way pinning this on him and I'm still happy with the hire, but a coaching staff would sure be nice at this point...
So our lowest rated recruits were generally better then this guy and we got a number of higher rated recruits in the same time frame (Wiliiams, Johnson, Diarra). And at least they were goes who recruited for their athletic potential (with the exception of Moore) to become great. It's harder to get guys who are 6'8"+ who are ready now.
Marcus Domask looks like a worse version of Trevor Moore coming out of high school. A shorter, less athletic pure shooter.
Oh is this where we start minimizing Samari's talent? Lol, I was waiting for that. Psyched when he committed, emphasized how much better he was than his ranking, hell he was even in the Mcdonald's all-american discussion...but now it's "Meh, no big deal. He wasn't that good". Hysterical.
What seems apparent so far is that recruiting style is going to change one hell of a lot. When looking at the 2nd tier of recruits we are used to seeing guys who can defend first. Now we are looking at guys who can score first.
I hope our top tier guys can still do a bit of both. After 30 years of seeing a lot of athletes come through...I am sure I will find myself saying "that guy can't defend at a high level though". It's going to be strange and uneasy. But watching balls go through the hoop will help ease the anxiety.
Not that it matters a lot but Waupun lists him as 6'6" and so did NKU when he committed. But I also see him listed as 6'3" on 247. Probably somewhere in between which is where Trevor is.
I doubt he is being recruited as an impact player right now but a guy who could work his way into the lineup down the road if we offer at all. We can't put it all on 2020 we have to keep some balance in classes otherwise I would say wait. But it's starting to look like we are going to have at least 4 open spots and maybe 5 depending on Cumberland. Assuming Johnson stays.
If Brannen sees value down the road...then I will have to trust his call. I don't see much harm in recruiting for bench depth right now. We aren't going to have a roster of 13 four star guys.
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you realize tons of players on in the mcdonalds all-american discussion right?
"Today, McDonald’s is supporting the next generation of basketball talent by unveiling the list of more than 800 top male and female high school basketball players from across the country nominated for the prestigious chance to play in the 42nd annual McDonald’s All American Games."
samari COULD turn out to be great. but we often times tell ourselves a guy was better than his ranking, or a late bloomer, or w/e it is to make us feel better about our guys.
and the rankings can get it way wrong. caupain was 212 and our 4th best
rated player in that class. it was clear from day 1 he was actually the best player in that class.
my point was more of he's still top 150, not a top 20 and he was the only guy we had. he backed out on xavier too, but they had 3 guys rated higher than him in that same class and one right behind him at 152.