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[cincyalum2014]

7ft C grad transfer from Valpo will be on campus for an unofficial visit next week. Numbers don't seem to pop of the chart but he looks like a decent interior defender leading Valpo in blocked shots. Averages 2.4 fouls a game and only fouled out twice.

Stat line for last season is as follows....

27 GP, 17.5 MPG, 51% FG, 62% FT, 3.1 REB, 1.3 BLKS, 4.1 PTS.

I do not see him coming in and starting right away but we need bigs and we need depth at that position and he can play right now. He actually looks athletic for a 7 ft guy and not just a big guy who stumbles around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka9ugvwsd3g (here is a quick highlight video if anyone is interested in watching)

 

[skyblade]

7ft C grad transfer from Valpo will be on campus for an unofficial visit next week. Numbers don't seem to pop of the chart but he looks like a decent interior defender leading Valpo in blocked shots. Averages 2.4 fouls a game and only fouled out twice.

Stat line for last season is as follows....

27 GP, 17.5 MPG, 51% FG, 62% FT, 3.1 REB, 1.3 BLKS, 4.1 PTS.

I do not see him coming in and starting right away but we need bigs and we need depth at that position and he can play right now. He actually looks athletic for a 7 ft guy and not just a big guy who stumbles around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka9ugvwsd3g (here is a quick highlight video if anyone is interested in watching)

Sorolla is another backup big man from from a small conference. And statistically he looks bad, even in comparison to Vogt.

His rebound percentages are low (only 6.8% ORB which is terrible for a guy his size), 11% TRB (Brooks was 16.5%). 21% Turnover rate is horrible (Brooks was 11%), only 96.2 ORTg and a negative offensive plus minus. He's a big body who can block shots and fill the paint on D. His foul rate (5.5%) was pretty similar to Brooks (5.7%), who committed a lot of fouls.

On O, probably don't want him touching the ball for anything but a wide open dunk. But we've got plenty of scholarships to throw around and need a center, so if Sorolla is the best we can do might as well take him. He's a clear downgrade even in comparison to Nsoseme, but beggars can't be choosers.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

I took a beach vacation to Destin, and brought a weed vape pen my friend brought me from California. I then become enlightened to the ways of John Brannen and more importantly that arguing on a message board is ******* stupid.

I think more so then anything. I’m just going to work on not being a super fan anymore. When UC lost, it legitimately ruined my day. That’s stupid as hell. It’s just basketball.

Who cares.

Good news on the horizon...

 

[cincyalum2014]

Sorolla is another backup big man from from a small conference. And statistically he looks bad, even in comparison to Vogt.

His rebound percentages are low (only 6.8% ORB which is terrible for a guy his size), 11% TRB (Brooks was 16.5%). 21% Turnover rate is horrible (Brooks was 11%), only 96.2 ORTg and a negative offensive plus minus. He's a big body who can block shots and fill the paint on D. His foul rate (5.5%) was pretty similar to Brooks (5.7%), who committed a lot of fouls.

On O, probably don't want him touching the ball for anything but a wide open dunk. But we've got plenty of scholarships to throw around and need a center, so if Sorolla is the best we can do might as well take him. He's a clear downgrade even in comparison to Nsoseme, but beggars can't be choosers.

Agreed, he's a poor mans Brooks, fouls just as much and doesn't contribute near what Brooks did, not ideally who I want but at this point we need big bodies who can play right now so if he can come in and play some minutes and block a few shots I guess I could deal.

 

[waterhead]

7ft C grad transfer from Valpo will be on campus for an unofficial visit next week. Numbers don't seem to pop of the chart but he looks like a decent interior defender leading Valpo in blocked shots. Averages 2.4 fouls a game and only fouled out twice.

Stat line for last season is as follows....

27 GP, 17.5 MPG, 51% FG, 62% FT, 3.1 REB, 1.3 BLKS, 4.1 PTS.

I do not see him coming in and starting right away but we need bigs and we need depth at that position and he can play right now. He actually looks athletic for a 7 ft guy and not just a big guy who stumbles around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka9ugvwsd3g (here is a quick highlight video if anyone is interested in watching)

I would hope this is for a backup role for one year. Outside of that I don't think he's going to be a big impact player. I doubt there is a lot on the market right now at the 5. I would guess Scott and Diara are still our best options.

Then he's gone in 2020 and we can go for something better so the grad transfer option works okay here even if unimpressive.

 

[cincrulz11]

Sorolla is another backup big man from from a small conference. And statistically he looks bad, even in comparison to Vogt.

His rebound percentages are low (only 6.8% ORB which is terrible for a guy his size), 11% TRB (Brooks was 16.5%). 21% Turnover rate is horrible (Brooks was 11%), only 96.2 ORTg and a negative offensive plus minus. He's a big body who can block shots and fill the paint on D. His foul rate (5.5%) was pretty similar to Brooks (5.7%), who committed a lot of fouls.

On O, probably don't want him touching the ball for anything but a wide open dunk. But we've got plenty of scholarships to throw around and need a center, so if Sorolla is the best we can do might as well take him. He's a clear downgrade even in comparison to Nsoseme, but beggars can't be choosers.

looking over his numbers makes me wonder if he was hurt or something. his sophomore year his offensive rebounding % was 10.9. he basically took a step backwards in every stat last year after looking like he was going to be trending into a pretty good player.


he didn't play in the first 5 games. looks like he suffered an ankle injury right before the year and never really got right.



his So year numbers aren't bad. 110 ORTG, really good on the offensive glass, 59.4 TS% 7.3 block rate.

 

[waterhead]

I took a beach vacation to Destin, and brought a weed vape pen my friend brought me from California. I then become enlightened to the ways of John Brannen and more importantly that arguing on a message board is ******* stupid.

I think more so then anything. I’m just going to work on not being a super fan anymore. When UC lost, it legitimately ruined my day. That’s stupid as hell. It’s just basketball.

Who cares.

A strong case for legalization...lol! JK...glad you have settled in for the long haul. We don't really have much choice but to root and hope for the best.

It's only been what 5 weeks? And now we have to wait about 1-1.5 more for some dominoes to fall.

 

[Queens_NYC]

Sorolla is also visiting Nevada after us, so I guess the chance of an on-the-spot commitment isn't too great.

He would mark our 10th scholarship for 19-20 if Cumberland were to return.

If Jaevin takes 11, and a true PG takes 12, we'd have quite a bit of flexibility with how we used the 13th if we used it at all.

 

[waterhead]

looking over his numbers makes me wonder if he was hurt or something. his sophomore year his offensive rebounding % was 10.9. he basically took a step backwards in every stat last year after looking like he was going to be trending into a pretty good player.


he didn't play in the first 5 games. looks like he suffered an ankle injury right before the year and never really got right.



his So year numbers aren't bad. 110 ORTG, really good on the offensive glass, 59.4 TS% 7.3 block rate.

Interesting! It looks like he started the last 5 or 6 games over Smits who started all the others. But Smits still got 20 mpg or so in most of those games. Both 7 footers. Maybe you are onto something.

 

[waterhead]

Sorolla is also visiting Nevada after us, so I guess the chance of an on-the-spot commitment isn't too great.

He would mark our 10th scholarship for 19-20 if Cumberland were to return.

If Jaevin takes 11, and a true PG takes 12, we'd have quite a bit of flexibility with how we used the 13th if we used it at all.

If we get all of that I would definitely want to hold the scholly unless we can get a bonafied contributor for 2019.

 

[waterhead]

I would hope this is for a backup role for one year. Outside of that I don't think he's going to be a big impact player. I doubt there is a lot on the market right now at the 5. I would guess Scott and Diara are still our best options.

Then he's gone in 2020 and we can go for something better so the grad transfer option works okay here even if unimpressive.

My head hurts. Just trying to figure out how the slow plodding 5 fits in with 94 feet of pressure basketball each way? I think a guy like Davenport fits in real nice as a combo forward...but I am not sure I am ready for the limited mobility 5. If they can't shoot 3's I would rather they be able to run the floor and guard multiple positions. If Vogt and Sorrola could step out and hit a 3 then I would understand...but they either can't or don't.

 

[skyblade]

looking over his numbers makes me wonder if he was hurt or something. his sophomore year his offensive rebounding % was 10.9. he basically took a step backwards in every stat last year after looking like he was going to be trending into a pretty good player.


he didn't play in the first 5 games. looks like he suffered an ankle injury right before the year and never really got right.



his So year numbers aren't bad. 110 ORTG, really good on the offensive glass, 59.4 TS% 7.3 block rate.

I notice that as well, but the stats don't really fit with a lingering injury in my opinion. He also dropped off from freshman to sophomore year, though that could be attributed to Valpo's changing conferences.

From Sophomore year to Junior year, his DRB% went up, but his ORB% and TRB% went down. He Assist% went up as did his block%. His STL% stayed the same. But his TOV% got even worse (16.8% as a sophomore is still very bad). His FT% dropped. He also made a couple of 3's as a junior.

So what injury makes a player worse at ORB and commit more turnovers, but also get more blocks, assists and DRB's?

 

[cincrulz11]

My head hurts. Just trying to figure out how the slow plodding 5 fits in with 94 feet of pressure basketball each way? I think a guy like Davenport fits in real nice as a combo forward...but I am not sure I am ready for the limited mobility 5. If they can't shoot 3's I would rather they be able to run the floor and guard multiple positions. If Vogt and Sorrola could step out and hit a 3 then I would understand...but they either can't or don't.

100% 3 point shooter last year!

 

[skyblade]

My head hurts. Just trying to figure out how the slow plodding 5 fits in with 94 feet of pressure basketball each way? I think a guy like Davenport fits in real nice as a combo forward...but I am not sure I am ready for the limited mobility 5. If they can't shoot 3's I would rather they be able to run the floor and guard multiple positions. If Vogt and Sorrola could step out and hit a 3 then I would understand...but they either can't or don't.

I'm hoping these guys are just placeholders until we can get someone next year. Sorrola is better then an unfilled scholarship. It is late in the year and skilled bigs are the most limited commodity. But I agree, so far Brannen hasn't recruited for the pressure D he talked about.

We may not even offer Sorrola and if we do he may not accept (I'd hope Brannen only sees him playing 5-10 minutes per game and Sorrola may want more time then that). At this point all we know is we are giving him a look.

 

[cincrulz11]

I notice that as well, but the stats don't really fit with a lingering injury in my opinion. He also dropped off from freshman to sophomore year, though that could be attributed to Valpo's changing conferences.

From Sophomore year to Junior year, his DRB% went up, but his ORB% and TRB% went down. He Assist% went up as did his block%. His STL% stayed the same. But his TOV% got even worse (16.8% as a sophomore is still very bad). His FT% dropped. He also made a couple of 3's as a junior.

So what injury makes a player worse at ORB and commit more turnovers, but also get more blocks, assists and DRB's?

first his SO year was much better than his FR year. Turnovers were up a bit as a SO but eFG, TS%, blk%, stl%, usage, free throw rate were all up.


and a major ankle injury is the type of injury that can linger for an entire season, especially on a 7 footer. an injury that was supposed to keep him out 7 weeks but he rushed it back in 4. easily the sort of thing that can hamper you for an entire season.

 

[waterhead]

100% 3 point shooter last year!

Move over Trevor...Brannen has recruited right over you

 

[waterhead]

I'm hoping these guys are just placeholders until we can get someone next year. Sorrola is better then an unfilled scholarship. It is late in the year and skilled bigs are the most limited commodity. But I agree, so far Brannen hasn't recruited for the pressure D he talked about.

We may not even offer Sorrola and if we do he may not accept (I'd hope Brannen only sees him playing 5-10 minutes per game and Sorrola may want more time then that). At this point all we know is we are giving him a look.

I look at 2020 radar guys and offers and I see similar type players. Other than Loveday who would be a no brainer. Kalkbrenner, Hugely. Slowish plodding 5's who don't really shoot 3's. Maybe Hugely can.

Seems like a trend but I guess we shall see. I don't mind having a scoring presence in the paint...but at what cost to tempo, defense and full court play?

 

[skyblade]

first his SO year was much better than his FR year. Turnovers were up a bit as a SO but eFG, TS%, blk%, stl%, usage, free throw rate were all up.


and a major ankle injury is the type of injury that can linger for an entire season, especially on a 7 footer. an injury that was supposed to keep him out 7 weeks but he rushed it back in 4. easily the sort of thing that can hamper you for an entire season.

His FR year he average more RB's, fewer TO's, more AST and fewer PF's. That is not much better. Much better is improvement across the board, not improvement in 50% of the game and a decline in the other 50%.

I'm not disagreeing that an ankle injury can hamper. But why would an injury mostly hamper ORB% and TOV%? If he was injured I would expect a drop in stats across the board, not the odd improvement in some areas and decline in others that occurred in both his SO and JR years.

 

[justinhub2003]

At this late stage I wouldn't mind landing him. Just to fill a role. But the even worse scenario is not landing him and him committing to Nevada instead. I think that would be the worst scenario.



But yea, it is what it is. I felt like Xavier lucked into a really good big man from the D2 level last year with Hankins. Would love to find an under the radar guy like that.


But I also wouldn't mind being completely guard oriented next season. With Tre playing the 5.

 

[justinhub2003]

Speaking of Tre Scott.


I think he is due for an insanely great breakout season next year.

Like I think he could be an all conference player.

he is Gary Clark lite and his Senior year, might see him being more like Gary Clark, the full flavor