Game Thread: UC vs (18)OSU 11/6/2019

[skyblade]

That's the thing there is no balance with this team. His best bet is more than likely space the floor and put it in jc hands. Let our shooters be ready to spot off his drives. Less vogt and sorollo at the top of the key looking for backdoor cuts. I liked some of thier post positioning thoe, they are big screening body's run some shooters off of those. Reading some of the body language of the guys I hope for the yrs sake they all buy into something affective real soon. They should be alright but considering the roster depth Brannen is going to have to box the gameplan up somewhat the rotation is gonna need legs by the end of the 2nd half

Only one game in, but it seemed like everyone but Jarron on this team is pretty one dimensional on offense. Jaevin can shoot threes, but isn't a major threat to drive. McNeal and Williams can drive but haven't shown the shooting ability to be a major concern. Vogt/Sorolla can score in the post, but they also miss shots and commit turnovers, so you can take their best shot and not worry about doubling them - and you can double off them any time they leave the post. Scott also hasn't shown the finishing ability to be a major threat.

So we either iso Jarron and hope he can carry us, or we need somebody else to step up. I think we are best off with Vogt/Sorolla out of the game. It allows us to surround Jarron with guys good enough at shooting threes that they can't be ignored. It also opens more driving lanes. We can use Scott as the big in the pick and roll and be better off. Vogt/Sorolla don't really contribute enough on the defensive or rebounding ends to make up the difference.

We also need a couple guys off the bench to step up. We basically only played 7 last night and that isn't going to work. And those 7 included Vogt/Sorolla who I think we'd be better off not having on the court for the most part. If we can't get a lot more quality bench minutes than we got last night, we are going to have players wearing down in the second half of the season - if not earlier.

 

[skyblade]

Yea the number one thing for this team is going to be the 3 ball it's what brannen makes happen. The thing with that is shots aren't always constant I feel like JC2 has splash to his game that was close to being on display last night foreal they just didn't go down. Hopefully Moore can finally start earning his scholarship. This teams gonna need that three ball to go down and for Jarron and Kieth to start going downhill dribble driving causing fouls. I like how Kieth talked and backed it up with a solid performance. They are def better on O despite 56 last night as we get deeper in the season teams may start carving the D a little with a more effective pick and rolls bc our two new big guys are hackboxes with slow feet

Yeah, but for the 3 ball to work, we have to get open shots. We missed last night because we were taking contested 3's. The 3 man weave doesn't create open shots. Feeding it down low won't create open shots because our bigs aren't big enough threats to need to double. That means we have to create off the drive.

The best way to do that is to get Vogt/Sorolla out of the game and let Jarron (and sometimes Williams/McNeal) go to work. If Keith can keep shooting it from 3 like he did last night, it will also be a nice addition.

I was worried about Vogt/Sorolla guarding bigs, but a small ball team could very well force them out of the game. They don't have the speed to defend a smaller guy (especially not Sorolla) and don't have the scoring/rebounding ability to really take advantage of being guarded by a smaller man. We really need Diarra to up his game for us to have another quality big to go along with Scott.

 

[waterhead]

1 game in and half the board has lost its mind. He’s 30 percent in on installing offense. He focused on D first which was smart. The lack of patience for some people is staggering also annoying

 

[waterhead]

Imagine if Brannen had scrapped The Whole plan just to run iso? He’s been telling the team all along this is what we run and how we run it. Then cut bait in the very first game ? Come on guys and gals. I wouldn’t want a coach bailing on his own plan in game 1 of his tenure

 

[waterhead]

Yea the number one thing for this team is going to be the 3 ball it's what brannen makes happen. The thing with that is shots aren't always constant I feel like JC2 has splash to his game that was close to being on display last night foreal they just didn't go down. Hopefully Moore can finally start earning his scholarship. This teams gonna need that three ball to go down and for Jarron and Kieth to start going downhill dribble driving causing fouls. I like how Kieth talked and backed it up with a solid performance. They are def better on O despite 56 last night as we get deeper in the season teams may start carving the D a little with a more effective pick and rolls bc our two new big guys are hackboxes with slow feet

I think Jaevin has around 7 top 100 games under his belt at Oakland and his 3 % gets close to 50% in those games. I think it’s over 45% against top 50. He missed last night. He will be in the high 30s though and I think Mcneal gets in low 30s and hoping Keith can. Too. I think Scott will drop in the high 20s and we all hope for Moore to finally break out. I am not worried about 3s much

 

[waterhead]

I was trying hard to figure out why Sorolla was in the game with 3 fouls and 10 minutes to go in the first half. Obviously Vogt is more important to Brannen. But what does this say for Diarra? And is Sorolla that expendable with Vogt already in trouble? It was crazy trying to figure it out. Not to mention Cronin would pull virtually anyone after two fouls in the first. What a big difference in strategy

 

[TheLongHaul]

1 game in and half the board has lost its mind. He’s 30 percent in on installing offense. He focused on D first which was smart. The lack of patience for some people is staggering also annoying

especially considering UC played far worse last year.

 

[justinhub2003]

Imagine if Brannen had scrapped The Whole plan just to run iso? He’s been telling the team all along this is what we run and how we run it. Then cut bait in the very first game ? Come on guys and gals. I wouldn’t want a coach bailing on his own plan in game 1 of his tenure

LOLOLOL

Soo we criticized mick for being hard headed and not adjusting to the game. And now your telling me that John Brannen should never switch the game plan up on the fly even if it might win us the Game.

I want to win. I want to make the tourney. I want Jarron to score 2000 points and be an all American.

I don't see us making the tourney next year, so if if this is the last year of a having a 2k scorer at UC, I want to win every game no matter how its done. Rock Fight, ISO, Motion offense... I DONT CARE. Just do what it takes to win.


Excuse us for not having faith in a guy who's never had a top 50 win in his career when Jarron has.



Jarron needs to be featured. Just like John Brannen was featured in his senior year at Marshall as a 2nd year transfer.

 

[justinhub2003]

especially considering UC played far worse last year.

Far worst?

-UC scored .89 points per possession last season, this year we scored .86

-Last years team shot 15% better from the free throw line

-Last year we shot 23% from 3 and this year we shot 19%

-Last year we turned the ball over 10 times, this time we turned it over 14

-last year we were Plus 6 on the glass, this year we were Minus 5

-Last year we fouled 19 times, this time we fouled 27 times

-Last year we held OSU 8 offensive rebounds, This year we allowed 14

Hilariously enough This years UC team played better defense than last years but played worse on Offense.


So Im not sure how last years team played far worst.. We literally had the same score and got worse in just about every category.

 

[waterhead]

LOLOLOL

Soo we criticized mick for being hard headed and not adjusting to the game. And now your telling me that John Brannen should never switch the game plan up on the fly even if it might win us the Game.

I want to win. I want to make the tourney. I want Jarron to score 2000 points and be an all American.

I don't see us making the tourney next year, so if if this is the last year of a having a 2k scorer at UC, I want to win every game no matter how its done. Rock Fight, ISO, Motion offense... I DONT CARE. Just do what it takes to win.


Excuse us for not having faith in a guy who's never had a top 50 win in his career when Jarron has.



Jarron needs to be featured. Just like John Brannen was featured in his senior year at Marshall as a 2nd year transfer.

That’s probably a few too many lol’s for an adult. I didn’t say CJB should never switch things up. Just slow down and read without looking for something to argue about.

Nobody is asking you to have faith...just some fing patience.

Jarron will be featured this year. Settle

 

[ervins84]

Far worst?

-UC scored .89 points per possession last season, this year we scored .86

-Last years team shot 15% better from the free throw line

-Last year we shot 23% from 3 and this year we shot 19%

-Last year we turned the ball over 10 times, this time we turned it over 14

-last year we were Plus 6 on the glass, this year we were Minus 5

-Last year we fouled 19 times, this time we fouled 27 times

-Last year we held OSU 8 offensive rebounds, This year we allowed 14

Hilariously enough This years UC team played better defense than last years but played worse on Offense.


So Im not sure how last years team played far worst.. We literally had the same score and got worse in just about every category.

We were down like 15 in that game at home with 15 minutes to go. At no point did it look like we'd win last year.

Last night was a tad different given they had a 7 point halftime lead, then fell behind by 9 and cut it to a 1 possession game.

Last years final score was not nearly indicative of how close last years game actually was.

 

[icehole3]

1 game in and half the board has lost its mind. He’s 30 percent in on installing offense. He focused on D first which was smart. The lack of patience for some people is staggering also annoying

This

 

[icehole3]

I think Jaevin has around 7 top 100 games under his belt at Oakland and his 3 % gets close to 50% in those games. I think it’s over 45% against top 50. He missed last night. He will be in the high 30s though and I think Mcneal gets in low 30s and hoping Keith can. Too. I think Scott will drop in the high 20s and we all hope for Moore to finally break out. I am not worried about 3s much

I was looking for effort and I was very satisfied. It is to early to pass judgement or panic about the team right now. I LOVE the 7 footers, they will play better. I felt the 7 footers were feeling their way through the game and will make adjustments as the year goes along. I don't think they beat X but I do feel better about their chances vs X and the AAC.

 

[cincyguy13]

1 game in and half the board has lost its mind. He’s 30 percent in on installing offense. He focused on D first which was smart. The lack of patience for some people is staggering also annoying

To be fair, justinhub was fully ready to lose his mind at the first sign of trouble. We knew it was coming. He loses his mind every game.

 

[cincrulz11]

To be fair, justinhub was fully ready to lose his mind at the first sign of trouble. We knew it was coming. He loses his mind every game.

to be fair he's doing what he accused all the mick haters of doing. of course he said they were idiots for doing it.

 

[cincrulz11]

I dont think most are blaming Jarron for Wednesday night or saying that he won't buy in. I think Brannen's comments might be more directed towards him than some of the others.


I think Brannen wants Cumberland to understand following the system is going to make Jarron better and the team better. Jarron's PPG might go down, but he'll be a better overall player. Jarron has the skill set to be much more than a scorer.



I'm sure there's a give and take here. There are probably some things Brannen feels are a must for his offense. He needs Cumberland to lead the way in those areas. Then he can work on getting Cumberland his specific plays and possessions.



The biggest factor for Jarron Wednesday night was conditioning. He was gassed in the first half. Just really unfortunate he was injured for most of the offseason. I think with an in shape Jarron we win that one.

 

[waterhead]

I dont think most are blaming Jarron for Wednesday night or saying that he won't buy in. I think Brannen's comments might be more directed towards him than some of the others.


I think Brannen wants Cumberland to understand following the system is going to make Jarron better and the team better. Jarron's PPG might go down, but he'll be a better overall player. Jarron has the skill set to be much more than a scorer.



I'm sure there's a give and take here. There are probably some things Brannen feels are a must for his offense. He needs Cumberland to lead the way in those areas. Then he can work on getting Cumberland his specific plays and possessions.



The biggest factor for Jarron Wednesday night was conditioning. He was gassed in the first half. Just really unfortunate he was injured for most of the offseason. I think with an in shape Jarron we win that one.

Interesting listening to a little of the coach Brannen show. He mentioned (paraphrase) "some of the players like iso situations. They feel comfortable in iso. I feel comfortable moving the ball quickly to get players isolated."

So this is not going to turn into the Cland iso show. But I do think he will find ways to isolate Jarron in his system.

 

[waterhead]

to be fair he's doing what he accused all the mick haters of doing. of course he said they were idiots for doing it.

And to be even more fair. Some of the Cronin haters (not me or you) had a lot of time to develop that feeling. So complaining in the first game of season 12 would be a lot different than 1 game into a new tenure. I think, unless the train goes off the rails, his leash has to get to the point he gets to see his own recruits be at least Juniors and because he got started late in 2019...maybe even seniors. So that is 4 years...so long as we are getting at least decent results. Cronin had a different situation but I think most fans gave him around 4 years to start seeing results. He did just enough to keep me on the fence most of the way even up until he went to UCLA.

I am not saying I think Brannen will need 4 years to impress us in some way. I hope it's this year. But we lose a lot next year and we become very young at that point.

 

[cincyguy13]

to be fair he's doing what he accused all the mick haters of doing. of course he said they were idiots for doing it.

Yeah, he always does that. He’s a maniac.

 

[cincyalum2014]

Interesting listening to a little of the coach Brannen show. He mentioned (paraphrase) "some of the players like iso situations. They feel comfortable in iso. I feel comfortable moving the ball quickly to get players isolated."

So this is not going to turn into the Cland iso show. But I do think he will find ways to isolate Jarron in his system.

I agree, I think its important for JB to run things his way. It was Jarrons way for 3 years with Mick because he was the focal point of the offense and in a sense he very much still is with JB just in a different way, now he has to free himself on screens and rolls and its constant moving to find the open guy where as last year it was wait until 8 seconds on the shot clock and give it to Jarron, I just think him and some of the other Mick guys are a little hesitant to the change because its a big change and its not crazy to be hesitant to change especially when its a complete 180. I thinks its almost normal for any human to be hesitant to the change. Like you said JB is not dumb and he will find a good mix of JBs way and Jarrons way.