Game Thread: UC vs (18)OSU 11/6/2019

[cincrulz11]

The highlight of the game was Mcneals defense at times. Kid is sneaky with picking the pocket of guys out there. His missed layup was a killer though.

All in all, it looked like the first game for a coach in the first year implementing his system for the first time. If I were an OSU fan I would be more concerned than if I were a UC fan. They looked terrible.

4 steals. McNeal just needs to be a bit more selfish on offense. He over passed a couple times. He had some good drives where he needed to just go up with it. He'll get it figured out.

 

[cincyalum2014]

With Mick is was Jarron and company... Let Jarron do his thing and hopefully everyone else contributes.... With JB its whoever gets open off non ball screens is the one who gets the shot. With JB's offense its screening, cutting rolling off screens, a lot of work to get the best shot where as last year we would let the clock get to 10 and be like okay Jarron do your thing. Jarron really has to work without the ball to get open and at times last night you could tell he missed all summer. Jarron is a quite guy who wears his emotions on his sleeve, you can tell when he's frustrated because he kind of pouts and at times its obvious. Jarron is good, No Jarron is very good but I hope he buys in to what JB is saying because in reality Jarron isn't shit and this will most likely be his last year on a good team where he is THE guy. When he is at the next level wherever that is he will be just another dude. Hopefully he can get in shape and realize this team needs him even if he's not scoring 28 a night. I believe he will be fine but its hard when you are 22 and your last coach kissed you ass for 3 years and in your last year you are treated the same as everyone else.

 

[waterhead]

Mick let jarron do whatever he wanted. He was untouchable. Brannen treats him like everyone else. Will be interesting if jarron shuts down or rises to it.

I don't know what choice Cumberland has really. Is he going to throw his pro chances in the toilet to spite a coach? I don't think that's a good idea.

Jarron probably wants to be featured but it's going to be in a different way with Brannen than it was with Cronin

 

[TheLivingLegend]

I don't know what choice Cumberland has really. Is he going to throw his pro chances in the toilet to spite a coach? I don't think that's a good idea.

Jarron probably wants to be featured but it's going to be in a different way with Brannen than it was with Cronin

That's the rationale view.... We have seen dumber decisions by 22 yr olds. See Nysier.

 

[cincrulz11]

That's the rationale view.... We have seen dumber decisions by 22 yr olds. See Nysier.

Nysier gamed the system and got another year of schooling (read he didn't try to become eligible this year). If that was his end goal and he doesn't want to pursue a basketball career, then i say good for him.

 

[waterhead]

McNeal...I think we are in good hands this year at PG on both sides of the ball.

Cumberland...he will have no choice but to run what Brannen wants him to. He will start doing that more when he gets to see some results from it over the next 2-3 weeks.

Williams...he is what he is and that is just good enough. Not a superstar that we were hoping for after the start of last year.

JC2...he will make shots. I am not worried. Has good BB IQ. Again not worried. He took a couple of questionable shots but Brannen will get that ironed out with him. He was off balance on about 3 attempts and one other shot was from about half court

Scott...we just need to work the pick and roll with him. I don't like seeing him put the ball on the floor from the top of the key...good things usually don't happen. I think the extension of the 3 line could hurt him a little.

Sorolla and Vogt will be serviceable.

I think Harvey will start to get more and more playing time as CJB teaches him after every opportunity what he did wrong and right. By end of year he will probably get used a lot more.

Diara...WTF

Davenport I think will be used for D here and there or for a breather so that will be fine.

MAW...was surprised not to see him. I thought he looked like the best of the frosh in the exhibition.

Moore...he could have probably seen a few minutes last night. He will have little problem running around and moving the ball until a shot opens up for him. He doesn't really have to put the ball on the floor and I don't think we want him to. Just has to make shots this year.

 

[cincyguy13]

I’m actually looking forward to a couple easier games. Work some kinks out. See how we improve.

 

[justinhub2003]

McNeal...I think we are in good hands this year at PG on both sides of the ball.

Cumberland...he will have no choice but to run what Brannen wants him to. He will start doing that more when he gets to see some results from it over the next 2-3 weeks.

Williams...he is what he is and that is just good enough. Not a superstar that we were hoping for after the start of last year.

JC2...he will make shots. I am not worried. Has good BB IQ. Again not worried. He took a couple of questionable shots but Brannen will get that ironed out with him. He was off balance on about 3 attempts and one other shot was from about half court

Scott...we just need to work the pick and roll with him. I don't like seeing him put the ball on the floor from the top of the key...good things usually don't happen. I think the extension of the 3 line could hurt him a little.

Sorolla and Vogt will be serviceable.

I think Harvey will start to get more and more playing time as CJB teaches him after every opportunity what he did wrong and right. By end of year he will probably get used a lot more.

Diara...WTF

Davenport I think will be used for D here and there or for a breather so that will be fine.

MAW...was surprised not to see him. I thought he looked like the best of the frosh in the exhibition.

Moore...he could have probably seen a few minutes last night. He will have little problem running around and moving the ball until a shot opens up for him. He doesn't really have to put the ball on the floor and I don't think we want him to. Just has to make shots this year.

I'll say this... If Brannen doesn't find a way to get Jarron more involved, then we won't make the tourney.

This team without Jarron as an elite ISO scorer is not going to be good.

I think you have to adapt around Jarron sometime.


a few segments we had some good looks on offense, but on a lot of others, I was just confused about what the objective was. We were cycing through the same ball movements 3x in one possession and never once did it generate an open look.


He says only 30% of the offense is in.. And I believe him, because I wasn't impressed with the looks the offense created.. Basically it was dependent on OSU missing a rotation, so a back door cut could be made. But if that rotation wasn't missed, we just passed it around and didn't do much with it

 

[cincrulz11]

I'll say this... If Brannen doesn't find a way to get Jarron more involved, then we won't make the tourney.

This team without Jarron as an elite ISO scorer is not going to be good.

Strongly disagree with that. This team with Jarron buying in >> Jarron forcing his way over the team.

 

[justinhub2003]

Strongly disagree with that. This team with Jarron buying in >> Jarron forcing his way over the team.

Buying into what though? being a spot shooter?

He's an iso player, who thrives with the ball in his hands. Making jarron just the piece of this offense instead of the center piece is a huge mistake.

Battle of ego's going on.

If Jarron does his thing im confident we make the tourney.

IF Jarron is just a piece and guys like Mcneal are taking as many shots as him, then we are an NIT team.

2 guys on this team are bucket getters. Jarron and Keith.

 

[justinhub2003]

Strongly disagree with that. This team with Jarron buying in >> Jarron forcing his way over the team.

Im not even saying Jarron forcing his way

Im saying run some plays to get Jarron open. I'm sure if I saw a designed play to get your Preseason all American open.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

Buying into what though? being a spot shooter?

He's an iso player, who thrives with the ball in his hands. Making jarron just the piece of this offense instead of the center piece is a huge mistake.

Battle of ego's going on.

If Jarron does his thing im confident we make the tourney.

IF Jarron is just a piece and guys like Mcneal are taking as many shots as him, then we are an NIT team.

2 guys on this team are bucket getters. Jarron and Keith.

Why cant it be both? Jarron needs to buy into the offensive sets. Those sets likely should lead to jarron getting the ball.

Jarron hasnt practiced all summer. He looked rusty.

Give this time to develop.

 

[cincyguy13]

Buying into what though? being a spot shooter?

He's an iso player, who thrives with the ball in his hands. Making jarron just the piece of this offense instead of the center piece is a huge mistake.

Battle of ego's going on.

If Jarron does his thing im confident we make the tourney.

IF Jarron is just a piece and guys like Mcneal are taking as many shots as him, then we are an NIT team.

2 guys on this team are bucket getters. Jarron and Keith.

I think it can be a mix. I do think you are right. ISO Jarron is our best option. Especially later in the year. But we also don’t need to be “the Jarron show” literally every play like last year. Living and dying with one player isn’t a great way to succeed. Some games he will be in foul trouble or not have it. I think Brannen is trying to find that balance.

 

[cincrulz11]

Buying into what though? being a spot shooter?

He's an iso player, who thrives with the ball in his hands. Making jarron just the piece of this offense instead of the center piece is a huge mistake.

Battle of ego's going on.

If Jarron does his thing im confident we make the tourney.

IF Jarron is just a piece and guys like Mcneal are taking as many shots as him, then we are an NIT team.

2 guys on this team are bucket getters. Jarron and Keith.

buying into not taking possession off from the gameplan and doing is own thing. he did that a few times last night and took shots that were atrocious. im sure those bother brannen more than when he tries to iso and put the ball on the floor.


more iso's might come, but jarron was clearly not in shape. he looked winded a lot of the 2nd half and i dont think thats the time to run iso with him. he'll get in better shape and the offense might flow more through him. his passing ability can really make us special on offense. we got multiple free ones last night from them hard hedging him.

 

[cincyguy13]

Im not even saying Jarron forcing his way

Im saying run some plays to get Jarron open. I'm sure if I saw a designed play to get your Preseason all American open.

Give it more than a game. Every team has looked terrible.

 

[waterhead]

Why cant it be both? Jarron needs to buy into the offensive sets. Those sets likely should lead to jarron getting the ball.

Jarron hasnt practiced all summer. He looked rusty.

Give this time to develop.

Yah...we are one game into the season already re-writing CJB's offensive game plan. May want to give it a few weeks to see what can come of it when it's done the way he wants it done and to the proper level of speed and accuracy etc.

 

[Loser Mentality]

Man Jarron better take what's available. This offense should be a scorers dream. Jarron has to take the initiative to score and be dominant period. If he did he would not be in a UC uniform. (NBA) Every pass and catch in this offense has a driving lane, he's just got to take it. That's what a leader would do, and is expected to do.

It's first game, and I'm cutting Mr. Naismith no slack. The reluctance to drive to the basket is personal. All I here Brannen saying is take a good shot. The carryovers are used to being lead. Hopefully as the season progresses that will change.

 

[waterhead]

Buying into what though? being a spot shooter?

He's an iso player, who thrives with the ball in his hands. Making jarron just the piece of this offense instead of the center piece is a huge mistake.

Battle of ego's going on.

If Jarron does his thing im confident we make the tourney.

IF Jarron is just a piece and guys like Mcneal are taking as many shots as him, then we are an NIT team.

2 guys on this team are bucket getters. Jarron and Keith.

I think Drew McDonald had a very high usage rate so the system doesn't dictate an equal spread of the ball. And probably Jarron's easiest bucket of the game came off a nice back cut to the basket. Jarron can make any system work for him but we do need him to be getting in the lane because of his passing and ability to finish.

 

[waterhead]

I think Drew McDonald had a very high usage rate so the system doesn't dictate an equal spread of the ball. And probably Jarron's easiest bucket of the game came off a nice back cut to the basket. Jarron can make any system work for him but we do need him to be getting in the lane because of his passing and ability to finish.

Drew was in the 97 percentile of usage and Tate was in the 93 percentile. Brannen is not stupid. He's going to get Jarron (his best player) the ball as often as it's feasible.

But let's also not count out guys like JC2 already and Mcneal etc as chopped liver after one damn game. McNeal has a full arsenal of skills. Jaevin will make a bunch of shots and even a few plays here and there.

 

[cincrulz11]

I think Tre was the most disappointing for me. Cumberland you could kind of see coming because he was hurt all offseason.


Tre just got destroyed by Young. 0-7 from the floor and Young had 7 offensive boards (26.7 OR%. Tre had 6 offensive boards with a 17.4 OR%).


He looked so hesitant on offense, similar to how he was in the exhibition. He just needs to play and stop worrying about messing up. If you make a mistake thats fine, but do it going hard, not second guessing yourself.



Its gotta get better from the 2 leaders of the team and I'm positive it will.