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So you seriously think that was entirely on Diarra? I'll grant that Diarra has a tendency to try to do to much (especially when no one else wants the ball). But he was put in a position to fail.

Diarra was in the position of being the outlet pass for Martin. Should he have been the outlet pass? No, we all know he's not that offensively capable.

But when Sam Martin can't get 10 feet up the court, somebody needs to handle the ball.
 
I agree. The nba is a different animal. But college, you don’t have to be a great athlete. I would like someone to explain to me why he can’t be a good college player. Shoots well, decent size, decent handles. Because he wasn’t ranked high? That’s usually the only reason.

His handles, passing and defense still need to improve, he's primarily a 3-point shooter. He's also a bit of a tweener. He's not big enough to play defense as a 4 against a lot of teams, but is he athletic enough and a good enough ball handler to play the 3?

He can undoubtedly become a very good player in college. The above is what may stop him from becoming a star at the college level.
 
So you seriously think that was entirely on Diarra? I'll grant that Diarra has a tendency to try to do to much (especially when no one else wants the ball). But he was put in a position to fail.

Diarra was in the position of being the outlet pass for Martin. Should he have been the outlet pass? No, we all know he's not that offensively capable.

But when Sam Martin can't get 10 feet up the court, somebody needs to handle the ball.
He gave the ball to the other team 3 straight times. Who’s on the court shouldn’t matter. He’s been here for 4 years. How hard is it to make an outlet pass? Seriously
 
His handles, passing and defense still need to improve, he's primarily a 3-point shooter. He's also a bit of a tweener. He's not big enough to play defense as a 4 against a lot of teams, but is he athletic enough and a good enough ball handler to play the 3?

He can undoubtedly become a very good player in college. The above is what may stop him from becoming a star at the college level.
You don’t have to do all of that to be a good college player. You usually need 1-2 skills, and effort. Tre Scott wasn’t good at much. He care, and tried. And had good size. Once again I’m not saying he’ll be Danny forts on, but could he be Tre Scott with different skills? I think so.
 
His handles, passing and defense still need to improve, he's primarily a 3-point shooter. He's also a bit of a tweener. He's not big enough to play defense as a 4 against a lot of teams, but is he athletic enough and a good enough ball handler to play the 3?

He can undoubtedly become a very good player in college. The above is what may stop him from becoming a star at the college level.

Davenport just needs to work without the ball of do straight line drives when he finds one. He’s not breaking any ankles out there. He can make the shots when he gets there. He’s not a play maker. He’s a lot less athletic than Clark... but he does a good job with what he has. I don’t think he can guard in NBA.
 
I still like our core. If guys come back, add dejulius we could improve a lot next year. These guys are really young. Finish the year with a couple wins, a win in the conference and go from there.
Dejulius ?
Think he can be counted on ? Only as a backup to Saunders. I believes for the sake of the program going forward, Saunders needs as much experience running the Point as possible.
 
So you seriously think that was entirely on Diarra? I'll grant that Diarra has a tendency to try to do to much (especially when no one else wants the ball). But he was put in a position to fail.

Diarra was in the position of being the outlet pass for Martin. Should he have been the outlet pass? No, we all know he's not that offensively capable.

But when Sam Martin can't get 10 feet up the court, somebody needs to handle the ball.

Also,it’s senior night. Ultimately that game didn’t matter for us. Are we really blaming the coach for starting the seniors? Their actual senior night got canceled.
 
Davenport just needs to work without the ball of do straight line drives when he finds one. He’s not breaking any ankles out there. He can make the shots when he gets there. He’s not a play maker. He’s a lot less athletic than Clark... but he does a good job with what he has. I don’t think he can guard in NBA.


Talking nba with him is just silliness.


But if he can just continue to get better at the things he does well, he's going to have a heck of a college career. I dont think anybody expected much out of him coming into this year and he's been great.

If he can be a 36-40% 3 point shooter next year on 5+ attempts a game he is going to be so valuable. Also he's gotta cut down that turnover rate
 
Dejulius ?
Think he can be counted on ? Only as a backup to Saunders. I believes for the sake of the program going forward, Saunders needs as much experience running the Point as possible.

No clue if dejulius is coming back but it sounds like he is. I think he’s solid.
 
You don’t have to do all of that to be a good college player. You usually need 1-2 skills, and effort. Tre Scott wasn’t good at much. He care, and tried. And had good size. Once again I’m not saying he’ll be Danny forts on, but could he be Tre Scott with different skills? I think so.

The smaller a guy is, the more he needs to be able to do. A 5 can make a major impact while being an offensive liability (look at Memphis's Cisse). A PG needs to be able to do a lot more with the ball to stay on the court.

Davenport needs to be more skilled than Scott, because he lacks the size and athleticism to rebound and defend at anywhere close to the level Scott did. Also, Scott had more than 2 skills, but he was elite at 2 skills (defense and rebounding) and capable in most other areas (shooting, passing).
 
We lost but I'm just so encouraged by Saunders. He played his best 2 games of the year vs Houston and Memphis, 2 teams that are very long and very athletic.

He showed his elite quickness gives the best defensive teams issues.


I really like the core going forward. This freshman class didn't disappoint. You see Tari's talent. You can now see Saunders athleticism and the headaches he can cause. Mason can be a zone buster and he's fearless with his shot. If Gabe comes back I don't really think you could ask for much more from you first full recruiting cycle.
 
Also,it’s senior night. Ultimately that game didn’t matter for us. Are we really blaming the coach for starting the seniors? Their actual senior night got canceled.

I have no problem with starting the seniors, the game result was meaningless to us. I just think it's silly to act like Diarra was terrible because of how he played with 2 walk-ons. Somebody had to bring the ball up, Martin wasn't getting anywhere, Cook didn't want it and Vogt was at the far end of the court.

Diarra was put in the position of being a ball handler, it's not a position he should be in, but it's the position Brannen put him in. The result was pretty much to be expected.
 
The smaller a guy is, the more he needs to be able to do. A 5 can make a major impact while being an offensive liability (look at Memphis's Cisse). A PG needs to be able to do a lot more with the ball to stay on the court.

Davenport needs to be more skilled than Scott, because he lacks the size and athleticism to rebound and defend at anywhere close to the level Scott did. Also, Scott had more than 2 skills, but he was elite at 2 skills (defense and rebounding) and capable in most other areas (shooting, passing).
As a senior he developed those skills. We are talking about a sophomore. How many skills did Tre have as a sophomore? 0-1? I’m not even saying he’s going to put up Tre Scott’s numbers, I’m just saying there’s no reason he won’t be good.

I’ve compared him to Nate Hinton and I still think that’s a good comparison. Nate Hinton couldn’t really dribble but played hard and shot it decent. Good player.
 
I have no problem with starting the seniors, the game result was meaningless to us. I just think it's silly to act like Diarra was terrible because of how he played with 2 walk-ons. Somebody had to bring the ball up, Martin wasn't getting anywhere, Cook didn't want it and Vogt was at the far end of the court.

Diarra was put in the position of being a ball handler, it's not a position he should be in, but it's the position Brannen put him in. The result was pretty much to be expected.

He wasn’t asked to bring the ball up. No one ask him to be a ball handler. Like I said, I don’t care if 4 vogt’s are out there with him, he gave the ball away 3 times in 1 minute. That’s terrible
 
The smaller a guy is, the more he needs to be able to do. A 5 can make a major impact while being an offensive liability (look at Memphis's Cisse). A PG needs to be able to do a lot more with the ball to stay on the court.

Davenport needs to be more skilled than Scott, because he lacks the size and athleticism to rebound and defend at anywhere close to the level Scott did. Also, Scott had more than 2 skills, but he was elite at 2 skills (defense and rebounding) and capable in most other areas (shooting, passing).

He is an inch shorter than Scott. Davenport has done more in two years with one being shortened than Scott did in his first three
 
I have no problem with starting the seniors, the game result was meaningless to us. I just think it's silly to act like Diarra was terrible because of how he played with 2 walk-ons. Somebody had to bring the ball up, Martin wasn't getting anywhere, Cook didn't want it and Vogt was at the far end of the court.

Diarra was put in the position of being a ball handler, it's not a position he should be in, but it's the position Brannen put him in. The result was pretty much to be expected.

But he wasn’t. One turnover he handed it to Memphis under our basket, another instead of passing he tried to dribble and it went right off his foot. He chose to do those because he is ridiculously bad at basketball. I also think he had a foul in that time. There is a reason he doesn’t play, I’m sure Brannen would love to play a 6”10 guy, however he is a doofus on the court. I can’t even tell if you’re serious about arguing he can play because it’s so insane.
 
I'll take the middle ground on Dou. I think he has something to offer in a backup role. He's a decent rebounder, good in the press, and can shoot or protect the rim on occasion. Yeah his turnovers in the first few minutes were terrible, but that was a circus. No player can be judged based on facing a full court press by the best defense in the country with a pair of walk-ons and no true point guard in the game. I think he could thrive in a role similar to Justin Jackson's first few years. Put him at the top of a press, keep him on the baseline in some sort of zone, and don't feature him on offense.

I don't know why Brannen keeps sticking him at the top of the 1-3-1. He seems like the ideal guy for the back role. He has enough energy to cover the baseline, and he can rebound and block shots from there.
 
But he wasn’t. One turnover he handed it to Memphis under our basket, another instead of passing he tried to dribble and it went right off his foot. He chose to do those because he is ridiculously bad at basketball. I also think he had a foul in that time. There is a reason he doesn’t play, I’m sure Brannen would love to play a 6”10 guy, however he is a doofus on the court. I can’t even tell if you’re serious about arguing he can play because it’s so insane.

While I agree, the argument for dou would be that Vogt is so bad. Last year, when Vogt was averaging 12 and 7, I could live with the bad stuff but this year he isn’t giving us anything and I think he makes the team a lot worse when he’s out there. He eats up driving lines on offense and is the worst defensive player in the country. They both aren’t good and that’s why we keep having the same discussion.
 
He is an inch shorter than Scott. Davenport has done more in two years with one being shortened than Scott did in his first three

An inch in height - though I have my doubts that Davenport is actually 6'7" -, how much longer was Scott's wingspan? How much higher could Scott jump? I bet if you include those two numbers Scott had at least 6 inches on Davenport.
 
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