Miami Game Thread

[UCBearcats]

UCBearcats, if you don't think Mick is the right man for the job, fine. I think he is doing a slightly above average job and thought the NCAA's were necessary last year. I also think they are necessary this year. But saying that the team led a mutiny and started playing well despite the head coach is a completely ludicrous thing to say. Seriously, just think about it for a second. If you truly believe your statement then I will stop arguing with you because that is how dumb of a statement it was.

ready2go: the offense sucks, no doubt. It pisses me off it sucks so bad. But at the end of the Presbyterian game the defense sucked as well. Even with their bad offense, had they played half-way decent defense they would have won the game. Offense is a lot tougher to coach and even with a great offense things can go wrong such as missed open looks that can lead to a bad game. On defense it is pretty much doing what you are told and busting your ass. That is why you see the majority of coaches complain about the defense more than the offense. There aren't too many excuses for bad defense.

As for accountability, it sounds like you've never heard Mick during a post game. I wish he sounded more pissed off and wish he was a little better with the media, but after both the Presbyterian and Marshall losses, he blatantly stated that he accepts full responsibility for the losses.

I don't know what to believe. I know that Yancy was suspended from the team for openly questioning Mick and his staff during practice. I know that after he sat out 1 game he came back like a man possessed and the offense started flowing through him. It's no secret that Yancy has been very frustrated in our offense numerous times during his stay at UC. Do I think our players led an all out mutiny against our coach?, probably not. Do I think they decided to take it upon themselves to "fix" the problems many of them saw with our offensive schemes?, yes.

I would also agree with you that Mick has done an above average job. The problem is that above average is not good enough. This is not an above average basketball school and people should not be happy with above average results. The truth is that most people aren't, that's why no one comes to the games anymore.

Die hards like us will keep buying tix and going to games no matter what because we love UC basketball and want to support the team but a large majority of the casual fan is not bought into what Mick is doing. I have a very hard time understading the logic behind the die hards who seem to be 100% behind what Mick is doing.

 

[ready2go]

]How many college basketball teams have you coached? [/B]This year's team is quite different from last year's team. Motivate? I have no idea where you get that. You cannot motivate someone to make a shot when they do not have the ability to make shots. This team is going to have to win with defense.

I played under a guy with 10 National Titles. Winning is a mind set. This does not make me a good coach, but nor do I make hundreds of thousands to be one

Now, back to the topic at hand:

Ok, Mick wants to blame the lazyness in the 2nd half of games. He wants to tell us how many times he keeps telling the team they are in for it. That is a lack of motivation when they come out and play like they have. Is it not Ralph? They are not laying it on the line for their coach. Playing uninspired at the moment

 

[DontMissHim]

How many college basketball teams have you coached? This year's team is quite different from last year's team. Motivate? I have no idea where you get that. You cannot motivate someone to make a shot when they do not have the ability to make shots. This team is going to have to win with defense.

That is one of the few times I have seen you criticize Mick, and I agree. At what year in his recruiting will he start looking for guys to make shots? Dead on, Ralph. Nice to see you get frustrated with Mick every now and then.

 

[ready2go]

And why is that Ralph?

He is the recruiter. Why in year 6, are we hearing the same excuses for the lack of offense?

That is one of the few times I have seen you criticize Mick, and I agree. At what year in his recruiting will he start looking for guys to make shots? Dead on, Ralph. Nice to see you get frustrated with Mick every now and then.

Exactly!

 

[ralph1950]

I played under a guy with 10 National Titles. Winning is a mind set. This does not make me a good coach, but nor do I make hundreds of thousands to be one

Now, back to the topic at hand:

Ok, Mick wants to blame the lazyness in the 2nd half of games. He wants to tell us how many times he keeps telling the team they are in for it. That is a lack of motivation when they come out and play like they have. Is it not Ralph? They are not laying it on the line for their coach. Playing uninspired at the moment

You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink.

The players are who they are and no coach or anyone else can ever change that and there is no one sitting on the bench that Mick can put in who would be able to do better than those in the game.

 

[ralph1950]

That is one of the few times I have seen you criticize Mick, and I agree. At what year in his recruiting will he start looking for guys to make shots? Dead on, Ralph. Nice to see you get frustrated with Mick every now and then.

I am in no way criticizing Mick, Mick got the best recruits he could possibly get. There is no draft in college basketball, you cannot force someone to come to your school.

 

[ralph1950]

Probably will be another loss in their first road game of the year on Friday, followed up by a pounding at the hands of X (may be close for a while).

Why would you think XU will score more than 50 points against UC, they only scored 46 last year.

 

[DontMissHim]

I am in no way criticizing Mick, Mick got the best recruits he could possibly get. There is no draft in college basketball, you cannot force someone to come to your school.

Yeah you are, you were clearly frustrated the team doesn't have the ability to shoot and that is Micks fault for not recruiting some shooters. Its ok to be frustrated, I just haven't seen you get mad at Mick often so I was surprised to see you say that

 

[Kingsley Court]

I am in no way criticizing Mick, Mick got the best recruits he could possibly get. There is no draft in college basketball, you cannot force someone to come to your school.

You're right, it's on the coach to recruit a player to the school. When Ralph is finally criticizing the coach, maybe it is time to move on?

 

[Kingsley Court]

The players are who they are and no coach or anyone else can ever change that and there is no one sitting on the bench that Mick can put in who would be able to do better than those in the game.

It's the coaches responsibility to develop players, you would think that is common sense. Coaches develop players at nearly every school in the country, yet you don't think Mick has the capability to do so? I'm seeing a new viewpoint out of you ralph, haven't seen you been so critical.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

Why would you think XU will score more than 50 points against UC, they only scored 46 last year.

In fairness to XU ralphy, they really played 4 on 5 most of the game. That one player for them (terrance? teurivell? tutu?) didnt really show up.

 

[ralph1950]

Yeah you are, you were clearly frustrated the team doesn't have the ability to shoot and that is Micks fault for not recruiting some shooters. Its ok to be frustrated, I just haven't seen you get mad at Mick often so I was surprised to see you say that

Nope, when you do not have shooters you concentrate on defense, not offense . Which is what Mick is doing.

 

[ralph1950]

In fairness to XU ralphy, they really played 4 on 5 most of the game. That one player for them (terrance? teurivell? tutu?) didnt really show up.

He showed up, Mick's defense took him out of the game.

 

[ralph1950]

You're right, it's on the coach to recruit a player to the school. When Ralph is finally criticizing the coach, maybe it is time to move on?

It is time for Chris Mack to move on as he is nothing but a tool, perhaps the biggest jerk in college basketball.

 

[Kingsley Court]

It is time for Chris Mack to move on as he is nothing but a tool, perhaps the biggest jerk in college basketball.

A+ response Ralph. Apparently you have no response to the fact that Mick isn't getting it done when it comes to recruiting, or he just chooses not to recruit players that can play offense.

And no response to a players development being the responsibility of a coach? Or do you truly believe that once you recruit a player, he will never get better. Is that what Mick has taught you? Has fallowing Mick Cronin taught you that "The players are who they are and no coach or anyone else can ever change that." You can't tell me you honestly believe that, you can not be that stupid. A players development is a critical part to coaching, but apparently you think that no coach can change a player.


Also, love the comeback. You were called out on some completely moronic things you said, and comeback with "yeah well your coach is a big jerk!" response. Well done.

 

[BearcatAlum1]

Seriously though......Chris Mack is a tool.

 

[BearcatAlum1]

In fairness to XU ralphy, they really played 4 on 5 most of the game. That one player for them (terrance? teurivell? tutu?) didnt really show up.

He was completely shut down....and he threw a punch in that game.

No Cincinnati fan would ever defend Eggsavier and that punk, Tu Holloway.

 

[DontMissHim]

It is time for Chris Mack to move on as he is nothing but a tool, perhaps the biggest jerk in college basketball.

Did you know in Macks first year coaching he took a team to the sweet 16. I understand why you are angry at Mick when you look across town and see that and then look at your own team and see he still hasn't recruited a shooter. You have every right to be mad and you are sharing your frustrations on this message board like many other fans.

 

[Kingsley Court]

Seriously though......Chris Mack is a tool.

UC fans for some unknown reason have always stated that Mack was "the worst possible higher" for Xavier. I'm not seeing it.

 

[DontMissHim]

UC fans for some unknown reason have always stated that Mack was "the worst possible higher" for Xavier. I'm not seeing it.

How can you not see it? In his first year he took Xavier to the sweet 16, in his second year he had an All American on the team (Though, it was a down year since X did not get at least one win in the tournament) now in his third season he has Xavier ranked 11th in the country and with a win against Purdue Saturday- they will be in the top 10....horrible get.