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Mick Cronin
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I'm not trying to make a point, but I think it's interesting that we lost to a team seeded lower than us in 8 out of those 9. The only exception was our elite 8 run in 1993 when we lost to 1 seed UNC. In our final four run in 1992 as a 4 seed we got fairly lucky, getting 9 seed UTEP in the sweet sixteen and 6 seed Memphis in the elite 8. We didn't have to face any of the top 3 seeds in our region. In fact only twice since 1989 have we beaten a protected seed. Huggins beat 3 seed Georgia Tech in 1996 and Cronin beat 3 seed Florida St in 2012.
Yah...I think Huggins didn't get the job done in tourney with the talent he had. But we had some talented teams. Unfortunately I am old enough to remember.
My point was that I prefer the talented teams if we are going to make the tourney every year vs the teams I call pretenders. Cronin and Huggins both made the tourney in a streak that is impressive. You might even make the case once getting there Huggins under performed more than Cronin did. But the talent was there...and as a fan...that was more promising to me than the coaching woes by either of them. The heartbreak was bigger when we lost because I believed...but at least there was good reason to hope.
This is not the year to test out the theory on a coaching change.
Same. I watch some of our old games on Youtube every now and then. Last week I watched our loss to Paul Pierce and top ranked Kansas in the 1997 season. Fortson was so dominant in the post, but he got into foul trouble.But we had some talented teams. Unfortunately I am old enough to remember.
I probably watch the Duke game in 1998 every year. The end of that game was crazy. Everyone remembers our baseball pass to Kenyon and Levitt's dunk. But right after that Duke did basically the same thing to us. They made a shot off a baseball pass right at the buzzer that was waived off.
Unfortunately I'm not old enough to remember our final 4 run.
cincrulz11
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This is not the year to test out the theory on a coaching change.
not sure its the time for cronin to point the gun at UC again. the nevada thing wasn't that long ago and fan apathy is growing after the nevada blow up plus another early exit (look at the lack of traffic here all year)
it might just be time to part ways. uc admin has given cronin everything he's asked for, if the info in there came from cronins camp, this could end up bad.
cincyalum2014
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If Cronin does leave I think Cumberland defiantly bolts for the NBA and who knows if Samari would hold up to his LOI. Just a thought.
Great article, and really hits home on how good of a job he does with the program. We all want more success in the tourney, but there are a lot of factors in that. But the fact is, he has done a great job building a great program. People aren’t knocking on his door because he is mediocre. You think if he went to UCLA he would have the same problems in the tourney, I doubt it. We have to find a way to get some better recruits, i truly think that’s our biggest hump
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When last time one of our asst coaches was head coach anywhere? We've won our league how many times outright? Mick has had more than enough talent to dominate this league and get to sweet 16 more time than he hasnt been. Look at how our coaches interact on bench. Would you be comfortable sending any of them into top recruit living room to seal the deal? We could've won the league only playing 6-7 players all year. I would like upgrade talent just like anybody else but I think we have more than enough now get to sweet 16.Talent may not be the reason we lose any one particular game but it is the reason the fan base has little hope of having a LEGIT contender when we reach the dance. Cronin has had 1 in his 8 years making the dance where the seed would project to more than winning 1 game. Not going to get into the results of last year because it's not the point.
Huggins had 9 top 4 seeds in 14 appearances I believe. No matter the end results and no matter if you think either coach was a very good tourney coach...there was reason to believe (as a fan) that those years had at the very least a punchers chance to get to the Final 4.
That is 9 out of 14 vs 1 out of 8. Contenders vs pretenders. That speaks to the talent level on the team. It should come as no surprise last year was our most talented team and so was our seed. It is Cronin's only contender in 12 years. If Cumberland comes back I like the potential next year but I don't think it's at the level of our 2 seed team. Probably between the 2 and 6 though. But we may not have Cumberland and we may not even have the coach so who knows.
This is not the year to test out the theory on a coaching change.
Agreed. Who knows what Curtis would do and I'd guarantee that would push Cland out.
Didn't see this before I posted the same thing... obviously I agree. This is not the year.If Cronin does leave I think Cumberland defiantly bolts for the NBA and who knows if Samari would hold up to his LOI. Just a thought.
When last time one of our asst coaches was head coach anywhere? We've won our league how many times outright? Mick has had more than enough talent to dominate this league and get to sweet 16 more time than he hasnt been. Look at how our coaches interact on bench. Would you be comfortable sending any of them into top recruit living room to seal the deal? We could've won the league only playing 6-7 players all year. I would like upgrade talent just like anybody else but I think we have more than enough now get to sweet 16.
Haha. To be frank, I think you're beyond unrealistic. More than enough talent to DOMINATE this league? Drastic overstatement and borderline ridiculous.
When last time one of our asst coaches was head coach anywhere? We've won our league how many times outright? Mick has had more than enough talent to dominate this league and get to sweet 16 more time than he hasnt been. Look at how our coaches interact on bench. Would you be comfortable sending any of them into top recruit living room to seal the deal? We could've won the league only playing 6-7 players all year. I would like upgrade talent just like anybody else but I think we have more than enough now get to sweet 16.
But my problem is we seem to be capped at S16. Mick has shown he can get a 5-10 seed with just about any bunch he throws out there. It’s a good system but it’s not high on talent. I think he over achieves most years in regular season because he demands max effort from game 1. In the tournament it’s do or die so talented kids for other programs will stop being lazy and max out effort.
I am talking about scoring talent. Most of our players lack an essential skill and in some cases 2 or more. Cronin can get anyone to run around and play D and set picks etc.
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I like Mick, he’s an ass but I don’t think he’s a bad coach. I don’t think we are an unrealistic fan base, most of us are not demanding national championships, we are not demanding final fours every year. Hell we aren’t even demanding to make it to the 2nd weekend every year. I know I would be happy with a decent run every 4-5 years. Just make it sometimes to the 2nd weekend and at least give us a punchers chance to make a run to the elite 8 and maybe final 4. I agree with the Mick haters on these aren’t absurd requests as a fan base. We all know this isn’t duke or Kentucky but I think if UC beats Iowa and then gets beat by a better Tennessee team the next week I think people take this season ending a lot better.
My point is was anyone honestly mad and thought the season was a failure when we lost to An undefeated Kentucky ? Or when we lost to a Lozal Ball UCLA? Mick may eventually need to leave but I don’t not think now is the time.
My point is was anyone honestly mad and thought the season was a failure when we lost to An undefeated Kentucky ? Or when we lost to a Lozal Ball UCLA? Mick may eventually need to leave but I don’t not think now is the time.
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Guess mick isn’t going to bama
When last time one of our asst coaches was head coach anywhere? We've won our league how many times outright? Mick has had more than enough talent to dominate this league and get to sweet 16 more time than he hasnt been. Look at how our coaches interact on bench. Would you be comfortable sending any of them into top recruit living room to seal the deal? We could've won the league only playing 6-7 players all year. I would like upgrade talent just like anybody else but I think we have more than enough now get to sweet 16.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...e-basketball-program-that-nobody-talks-about/
This is a good accurate article on our program.
“Cincinnati has been the landlord of its league in a way almost no other teams can match. The Bearcats have won 158 games (and counting) since the conference formed in 2013. There is no close second place. Cincy outpaces next-best Houston by 31 wins. It beats UConn by 37 and Memphis by 39. UC has been as dominant as any team in any league over the past half-dozen years outside of Kansas and Gonzaga. It ranks top 10 in victories across college hoops in that span, as well.”
https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...e-basketball-program-that-nobody-talks-about/
This is a good accurate article on our program.
“Cincinnati has been the landlord of its league in a way almost no other teams can match. The Bearcats have won 158 games (and counting) since the conference formed in 2013. There is no close second place. Cincy outpaces next-best Houston by 31 wins. It beats UConn by 37 and Memphis by 39. UC has been as dominant as any team in any league over the past half-dozen years outside of Kansas and Gonzaga. It ranks top 10 in victories across college hoops in that span, as well.”
The problem is though, what have Kansas and Gonzaha done come March compared to us?
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Kansas last won a National Championship in 2008. They have won three total (2008, 1988, 1952). Gonzaga has never won although they were a half court shot away from winning in 2010(?).
You thinking Butler?
The Zags lost to UNC in '17.
The problem is though, what have Kansas and Gonzaha done come March compared to us?
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UC is 1 of 6 teams that have qualified for at least 9 straight years. Here are the stats on the others plus UC:
Kansas has appeared in 30 straight tournaments dating back to 1990. In that time they have been to 19 S16's, 13 E8's, 7 F4's, 4 title games and have won 1 national championship.
Duke has appeared in 24 straight tournaments dating back to 1996. In that time they have been to 17 S16's, 8 E8's, 5 F4's, 4 title games and have won 3 national championships.
Michigan State has appeared in 22 straight tournaments dating back to 1998. In that time they have been to 14 S16's, 9 E8's, 7 F4's, 2 title games and have won 1 national championship.
Gonzaga has appeared in 21 straight tournaments dating back to 1999. In that time they have been to 10 S16's, 3 E8's, 1 F4's, 1 title games and have won 0 national championships.
North Carolina has appeared in 9 straight tournaments dating back to 2011. In that time they have been to 6 S16's, 4 E8's, 2 F4's, 2 title games and have won 1 national championship.
UC has appeared in 9 straight tournaments dating back to 2011. In that time they have been to 1 S16, 0 E8's, 0 F4's, 0 title games and have won 0 national championships.
As you can see the P5 teams on this list advance to the S16 approx. 65% of the time combined. Gonzaga does so 48% of the time. By comparison, UC has gotten there 11% of the time.
You thinking Butler?
The Zags lost to UNC in '17.
Yes, I was thinking of Butler. My mistake. I knew Gonzaga was in the finals at some point. Thanks for correcting me.
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