Mick Cronin

[Hogsack]

Wow lmao

My exact response to 99.9% of your posts. Lol!

 

[Hogsack]

The difference is that college basketball coaches are more in demand than just about any other job in the job market. They hold so much more leverage that it is unfair to compare. I’m going to assume that you have a job that thousands also own, compared to just 351 D1 college basketball coaches.

I understand the fact that college basketball coaches are in high demand. And you are correct, there are thousands of positions in my line of work. But it is apparent that Mick is unhappy with what his current employer can offer him. I guess it's understandable to entertain the opportunity to coach for a storied program like UCLA. But when he is interviewing for "lateral move" positions, such as UNLV or VA tech...well that speaks volumes in my eyes (regardless of his motive). There are members on this site that place the potential departure of Mick squarely on the shoulders of the fans that aren't begging him to stay. If Mick thinks that the grass is greener at another university (that places him further away from his daughter) than so be it. But don't get pissed off at the fan base that has grown tired of his song and dance.

 

[TheRealUC]

Not sure VT could be considered a lateral seeing the play in perhaps the best conference in the country, finished top 5 in the conference, and have a handful of top 100 players...that's a pretty nice setup for whoever takes the job.

 

[cincyalum2014]

I am over it at this point, He is using leverage to get more money much like he did with UNLV to get fifth third upgraded sooner. I am all for using the cards you have to help yourself when it comes to getting more money or more job security. But this is the 2nd time in 3 years and I don't want to do this every year he wins 25-30 games. It gets to a point where you run out of leverage and UC will say cya. In my opinion Cronin would be dumb to not leave for UCLA if he gets the chance because it is considered a "blue blood" and he will make much more money there and on paper has a better chance to win a national title but then again I don't think Cronin's little ego could take failing in 4 years there if that were to happen.

Now I am a Cronin supporter and I do want him to stay, I think if he continues to try this every year he wins 25-30 games Bohn and UC will eventually say kick rocks. As for VA Tech I just can't see Cronin going to Blacksburg VA.

 

[Hogsack]

Not sure VT could be considered a lateral seeing the play in perhaps the best conference in the country, finished top 5 in the conference, and have a handful of top 100 players...that's a pretty nice setup for whoever takes the job.

Yeah.....2 sweet 16s and 11 NCAA tourney appearances in the history of the program.
When I think of a storied, traditional college basketball powerhouse....I think VA Tech! Lol!

 

[TheRealUC]

Yeah.....2 sweet 16s and 11 NCAA tourney appearances in the history of the program.
When I think of a storied, traditional college basketball powerhouse....I think VA Tech! Lol!

The fuq? Who the hell cares how "storied" the program is? They've already got a nice roster in an elite conference, are currently landing recruits that we can't seem to get, and he knows the AD. It's not that difficult...

 

[cincrulz11]

In my opinion Cronin would be dumb to not leave for UCLA if he gets the chance because it is considered a "blue blood" and he will make much more money

maybe more short term money, but he will likely make more long run here. im not sure there's a coach alive that could make UCLA fans happy, they run everybody off unless they win national championships (coach k and izzo might make them happy but they'll never leave)


i think one of the reasons the job remains open is most coaches realize they could be out of work in 3 years even if they do a good job.

 

[cincrulz11]

The fuq? Who the hell cares how "storied" the program is? They've already got a nice roster in an elite conference, are currently landing recruits that we can't seem to get, and he knows the AD. It's not that difficult...

but you don't know if any of the players would stay. people say if cronin leaves here our recruits will leave too, i would think if thats true the same would happen at other schools when their coach leaves.



va tech made the sweet 16 this year, the only other time they got to the sweet 16 was 1967 (made the elite 8 that year). we've made the tournament 9 times if a row, you have to go back to 1979 to find the last 9 times they made it.

 

[Hogsack]

The fuq? Who the hell cares how "storied" the program is? They've already got a nice roster in an elite conference, are currently landing recruits that we can't seem to get, and he knows the AD. It's not that difficult...

Ever thought that may have something to do with Buzz William's? The fuq??

 

[sedziobs]

but you don't know if any of the players would stay. people say if cronin leaves here our recruits will leave too, i would think if thats true the same would happen at other schools when their coach leaves.

va tech made the sweet 16 this year, the only other time they got to the sweet 16 was 1967 (made the elite 8 that year). we've made the tournament 9 times if a row, you have to go back to 1979 to find the last 9 times they made it.

Most of this is also true of Texas Tech, who people are saying has a better program than Cincinnati. Can't have it both ways.

I don't think there are any consistently elite schools outside of Duke, UNC, Louisville, Kentucky, Kansas, and Michigan St. Everyone else is at the mercy of a coach, AD, boosters, and conference affiliation that are always in flux. So any move to a major conference outside of those teams could be considered lateral, even if it looks like an upgrade based on recent history.

 

[cincrulz11]

Most of this is also true of Texas Tech, who people are saying has a better program than Cincinnati. Can't have it both ways.

I don't think there are any consistently elite schools outside of Duke, UNC, Louisville, Kentucky, Kansas, and Michigan St. Everyone else is at the mercy of a coach, AD, boosters, and conference affiliation that are always in flux. So any move to a major conference outside of those teams could be considered lateral, even if it looks like an upgrade based on recent history.

if Buzz stayed and made an elite 8 next year and final 4 the next year i think most would say the Va Tech job would be more desirable than this one. i think anywhere that has Chris Beard as their HC is going to be in a really good spot.



i dont know that any coach could win at Va Tech or Texas Tech. I dont know that any coach can win here. But I feel safe in saying wherever Buzz and Beard are, those teams are likely to be pretty good.

 

[TheRealUC]

Ever thought that may have something to do with Buzz William's? The fuq??

Very well could be. Or the chance to play in an elite conference...with constant national media coverage and exposure. Who knows.

 

[TheRealUC]

but you don't know if any of the players would stay. people say if cronin leaves here our recruits will leave too, i would think if thats true the same would happen at other schools when their coach leaves.



va tech made the sweet 16 this year, the only other time they got to the sweet 16 was 1967 (made the elite 8 that year). we've made the tournament 9 times if a row, you have to go back to 1979 to find the last 9 times they made it.

Their incoming recruits might decommit, always a possibility. I'd have a hard time believing the rest of their core group suddenly transfers though.

 

[sedziobs]

if Buzz stayed and made an elite 8 next year and final 4 the next year i think most would say the Va Tech job would be more desirable than this one. i think anywhere that has Chris Beard as their HC is going to be in a really good spot.

i dont know that any coach could win at Va Tech or Texas Tech. I dont know that any coach can win here. But I feel safe in saying wherever Buzz and Beard are, those teams are likely to be pretty good.

That's basically the point I was trying to make, that what we are calling more desirable jobs are because things have lined up for them recently. They're not necessarily better programs looking at the long term future. If Buzz and Beard leave, should VTech and Texas Tech still be considered more desirable than Cincinnati? I would probably give them the edge due to conference affiliation, but it's not a big edge.

 

[cincrulz11]

Their incoming recruits might decommit, always a possibility. I'd have a hard time believing the rest of their core group suddenly transfers though.

3 Sr's played a lot of minutes and Alexander-Walker is a projected 1st round pick so there's a good chance he does what Evans did.

 

[cincrulz11]

That's basically the point I was trying to make, that what we are calling more desirable jobs are because things have lined up for them recently. They're not necessarily better programs looking at the long term future. If Buzz and Beard leave, should VTech and Texas Tech still be considered more desirable than Cincinnati? I would probably give them the edge due to conference affiliation, but it's not a big edge.

i think we are saying the same thing. maybe its a slight bump because of conference affiliation and pay.


i think its easier to be a good team in cincinnati's spot. i think the potential to fail as a HC is much higher at Vtech or Texas Tech for a new coach. i guess what im saying is i think they are tougher jobs, but maybe higher potential jobs.

 

[TheRealUC]

3 Sr's played a lot of minutes and Alexander-Walker is a projected 1st round pick so there's a good chance he does what Evans did.

He probably leaves. But that COULD still leave the incoming coach with two 4 star top 100's, Blackshear, and another incoming 4 star (but i think he'd decommit). Obviously nothing is a guarantee, but i'd say there are worse scenarios that a coach could walk into.

 

[cincrulz11]

He probably leaves. But that COULD still leave the incoming coach with two 4 star top 100's, Blackshear, and another incoming 4 star (but i think he'd decommit). Obviously nothing is a guarantee, but i'd say there are worse scenarios that a coach could walk into.

It’s not the worst, and it would likely be great for the AAC. But I’m not sure it’s that great of a spot in the ACC. Could be worse but I think whoever ends up at va tech is going to have a tough go next year.

 

[TheRealUC]

It’s not the worst, and it would likely be great for the AAC. But I’m not sure it’s that great of a spot in the ACC. Could be worse but I think whoever ends up at va tech is going to have a tough go next year.

I hear you. just want this circus to end so we can get back to discussing our own program and address the shit that needs to be addressed.

 

[ME80]

What kind of fan can’t forget a loss though?

You mean like Kentucky fans talking about Christian Laettner