NCAA Tournament Talk

[BCM]

A lot of people didn't feel Syracuse deserved to get into the dance. Never discount a great coach like Boeheim. You'll probably never hear him or his fans make excuses about playing in a dump like the Carrier dome or how every year half his team leaves for the NBA or how his campus is in a shit hole town in the middle of nowhere that gets 150 inches of snow every winter. He doesn't need to, dude just wins.

A is for Agenda

 

[UCBearcats]

A is for Agenda

#makeucbasketballgreatagain

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Half the elite 8 is from ACC. Nice showing my the league.

 

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A lot of people didn't feel Syracuse deserved to get into the dance. Never discount a great coach like Boeheim. You'll probably never hear him or his fans make excuses about playing in a dump like the Carrier dome or how every year half his team leaves for the NBA or how his campus is in a shit hole town in the middle of nowhere that gets 150 inches of snow every winter. He doesn't need to, dude just wins.

Great supportive alumni. The support he has is second to none.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

14 of the 16 teams who made the sweet 16 are from P5 conferences. The othe 2 are Villanova and Gonzaga. Two established programs that are non football playing schools. Coincidence?????

 

[Bcatfollower]

14 of the 16 teams who made the sweet 16 are from P5 conferences. The othe 2 are Villanova and Gonzaga. Two established programs that are non football playing schools.
Coincidence?????

Nova does support a football team. Division 1 football championship subdivision.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Nova does support a football team. Division 1 football championship subdivision.

Thanks for the info. I guess I should have known that. Didn't Howie long come from there?

 

[Bcatfollower]

Thanks for the info. I guess I should have known that. Didn't Howie long come from there?

Yea, I mean it's not the fbs but division 1 fbs. So like old division 2 so I'm sure it's not as expensive or carry the same title 9 implications as fbs schools but they still support it somehow.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Thanks again.it is still very telling that 14 of 16 are P5. The disparity between the haves and have nots in college sports is very evident.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Thanks again.it is still very telling that 14 of 16 are P5. The disparity between the haves and have nots in college sports is very evident.

Not really. Xavier, Northern Iowa and Stephen F. Austin all lost games where they had leads in the final minute. St. Joes easily could have beaten Oregon. You don't take a sample size so small of 50/50 games and claim the disparity "is very evident."

 

[Bcatfollower]

Not really. Xavier, Northern Iowa and Stephen F. Austin all lost games where they had leads in the final minute. St. Joes easily could have beaten Oregon. You don't take a sample size so small of 50/50 games and claim the disparity "is very evident."

I would also say that 4 of the power 5 conf hot 7 teams in each so it's not a shock as the tournament narrows more are left. I'm not arguing waites point but the disparity is as strong at the beginning.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

I would also say that 4 of the power 5 conf hot 7 teams in each so it's not a shock as the tournament narrows more are left. I'm not arguing waites point but the disparity is as strong at the beginning.

It's certainly the case for the at large pool when teams like Vanderbilt and Syracuse are selected over Monmouth and Valpo. However there are plenty of successful non-P5 programs.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Not really. Xavier, Northern Iowa and Stephen F. Austin all lost games where they had leads in the final minute. St. Joes easily could have beaten Oregon. You don't take a sample size so small of 50/50 games and claim the disparity "is very evident."

Being your a stat guy I will yeild to your knowledge.

 

[BCM]

Great supportive alumni. The support he has is second to none.

There is more money to be made as an alumnus out there. These things don't all exist in a vacuum.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Buddy is unreal.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Buddy is unreal.

I'm sure Kansas is scared to death of possibly having to face Oklahoma in the Final Four after sweeping them in the regular season.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Buddy is unreal.

He certainly is.

 

[waterhead]

14 of the 16 teams who made the sweet 16 are from P5 conferences. The othe 2 are Villanova and Gonzaga. Two established programs that are non football playing schools. Coincidence?????

Waite...I think the main argument for P5 being a difference maker is basically recruiting advantage. That is a potential recruit is really looking to be in a P5 conference. The only real way I can see this being a major deciding factor (in the current landscape) is in a scenario where a recruit has a 50-50 choice to make for a P5 school vs non P5.

You are not going to get me to believe that a recruit is going to pick Rutgers over a team like UC, X, Gonzaga, Uconn, or Villanova because we are not P5. Again I say as of RIGHT NOW. That could change in the future as P5 becomes more important but right now I think it's a VERY small consideration for a recruit. Along with locality, relationship with coach, program success, academics, playing time, can I get coached up for NBA, etc etc etc.

I don't think great BB programs outside of P5 have been hurt just yet. In the same light I don't see a noticeable recruiting change in programs like Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse, WV, etc just because they have joined.

Analysis...it is NOT an excuse to not land recruits and make deep runs in March AT THIS TIME.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Waite...I think the main argument for P5 being a difference maker is basically recruiting advantage. That is a potential recruit is really looking to be in a P5 conference. The only real way I can see this being a major deciding factor (in the current landscape) is in a scenario where a recruit has a 50-50 choice to make for a P5 school vs non P5.

You are not going to get me to believe that a recruit is going to pick Rutgers over a team like UC, X, Gonzaga, Uconn, or Villanova because we are not P5. Again I say as of RIGHT NOW. That could change in the future as P5 becomes more important but right now I think it's a VERY small consideration for a recruit. Along with locality, relationship with coach, program success, academics, playing time, can I get coached up for NBA, etc etc etc.

I don't think great BB programs outside of P5 have been hurt just yet. In the same light I don't see a noticeable recruiting change in programs like Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse, WV, etc just because they have joined.

Analysis...it is NOT an excuse to not land recruits and make deep runs in March AT THIS TIME.

And as NTS mentioned, X, UNI, St. Joe's, and SFA had every chance to win. Gonzaga did beat Utah. Then in the 1st round we saw Little Rock over Purdue, Hawaii over Cal, SFA over West Va, Middle Tennessee over Michigan State, UConn beat Colorado, VCU over Oregon State, Wichita State over Arizona, Butler over Texas Tech, Providence over USC, UNI over Texas, and Yale over Baylor. That's a lot of non-P5 teams finding a way to beat P5 schools. Not to mention UC didn't even have to play a P5 school and still lost. 15 of the 32 2nd round teams were non-P5. The conference affiliation excuse in basketball is incredibly weak.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

And as NTS mentioned, X, UNI, St. Joe's, and SFA had every chance to win. Gonzaga did beat Utah. Then in the 1st round we saw Little Rock over Purdue, Hawaii over Cal, SFA over West Va, Middle Tennessee over Michigan State, UConn beat Colorado, VCU over Oregon State, Wichita State over Arizona, Butler over Texas Tech, Providence over USC, UNI over Texas, and Yale over Baylor. That's a lot of non-P5 teams finding a way to beat P5 schools. Not to mention UC didn't even have to play a P5 school and still lost. 15 of the 32 2nd round teams were non-P5. The conference affiliation excuse in basketball is incredibly weak.

P5 is still relatively new. As the money gap widens it will only increase there advantage.