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jacobkdoyle said:
And as NTS mentioned, X, UNI, St. Joe's, and SFA had every chance to win. Gonzaga did beat Utah. Then in the 1st round we saw Little Rock over Purdue, Hawaii over Cal, SFA over West Va, Middle Tennessee over Michigan State, UConn beat Colorado, VCU over Oregon State, Wichita State over Arizona, Butler over Texas Tech, Providence over USC, UNI over Texas, and Yale over Baylor. That's a lot of non-P5 teams finding a way to beat P5 schools. Not to mention UC didn't even have to play a P5 school and still lost. 15 of the 32 2nd round teams were non-P5. The conference affiliation excuse in basketball is incredibly weak.
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It is a non issue I agree in BB. In fact in football some of the teams that have joined have been hurt by it because the powerhouse teams are now stealing recruits from their back yard. Rutgers, Pitt, Syracuse have been doing worse in recruiting than before joining. WV has done slightly better in FB recruiting ...but overall it's been a wash for those Big East teams.
 
waterhead said:
Yes...but it is not an excuse now or over the last 5 years. It may be in the future...but that's not what anyone is debating.
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We need Lou Brown from Major League to come and talk to our fans..."Taylor! It's not your job to make excuses! That's all you guys do good! It's either a leg thing, or a spiritual thing, or a psychological thing...or a heart attack."
 
Bearcat_NTS said:
Dove at the Villanova player's leg. It was the correct call.
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Yeah I don't know when you'd ever be allowed to do that. It sucks, but it's not nothing. I thought the worst call of the game was a charge on Villanova that should've given Perry Ellis his 4th foul with like 13+ minutes left.
 
Tiny Villanova with 30-some thousand less students than us, who play most of their games in a tiny 6500 seat multi-purpose arena that is 3 years older than ours, is going to the final four. Wonder how they get recruits to come there with that tiny 30 year old arena? Oh, that's right, they have a really good coach. They're playing Oklahoma who plays in an 11,500 seat multipurpose arena built in 1975. Two final 4 teams who don't seem to need a brand spanking new arena to succeed, and one of them not in a P5 Conference.
 
L-T said:
Tiny Villanova with 30-some thousand less students than us, who play most of their games in a tiny 6500 seat multi-purpose arena that is 3 years older than ours, is going to the final four. Wonder how they get recruits to come there with that tiny 30 year old arena? Oh, that's right, they have a really good coach. They're playing Oklahoma who plays in an 11,500 seat multipurpose arena built in 1975. Two final 4 teams who don't seem to need a brand spanking new arena to succeed, and one of them not in a P5 Conference.
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And if you were a Nova fan you'd be the guy bitching on their message boards how bad his last 6 years have been and he should have been fired prior to this year.
 
waterhead said:
Yes...but it is not an excuse now or over the last 5 years. It may be in the future...but that's not what anyone is debating.
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WH the debate is have the last 5 years been good years for the university. For me they have been for others they haven't. That is the debate.
 
Bearcat_NTS said:
Dove at the Villanova player's leg. It was the correct call.
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Hardly a "correct" call, nova player did not have possession. 9/10 refs don't blow the whistle on that in that situation. Diving after a loose ball with the final on the line? Let the players decide. No one bats an eye if there is no call in that situation. Sad day but I agree with Doug gotlieb 100%. Nova clearly better that game tho
 
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TheRealUC said:
Hardly a "correct" call, nova player did not have possession. 9/10 refs don't blow the whistle on that in that situation. Diving after a loose ball with the final on the line? Let the players decide. No one bats an eye if there is no call in that situation. Sad day but I agree with Doug gotlieb 100%. Nova clearly better that game tho
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So if someone doesn't have the ball you're allowed to dive at them and take out their legs?
 
Bearcat04 said:
And if you were a Nova fan you'd be the guy bitching on their message boards how bad his last 6 years have been and he should have been fired prior to this year.
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They actually win conference championships and get good seeds though. Plus, you're just completely inventing your own scenario here which doesn't actually exist.
 
WAITE HOYT 2 said:
WH the debate is have the last 5 years been good years for the university. For me they have been for others they haven't. That is the debate.
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Maybe I haven't been following closely enough, but I think you're now changing the debate. I'm pretty sure everyone else is saying that conference affiliation has little or nothing to do with basketball success. And this all started with you talking about P5 schools in the S16.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
So if someone doesn't have the ball you're allowed to dive at them and take out their legs?
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"Contact that is incidental to an effort by an opponent to reach a loose ball should be permitted even though the contact may be severe or excessive."

Of course you could probably interpret this 5 different ways but let's stop acting like this was a clear cut foul. There's a reason it's blowing up all over the Internet. I was rooting for nova so I'm not all that concerned but it was a ballsy call at best. I like how Bill Self handled it though while talking to the media....can you imagine Mick in that situation?
 
TheRealUC said:
"Contact that is incidental to an effort by an opponent to reach a loose ball should be permitted even though the contact may be severe or excessive."

Of course you could probably interpret this 5 different ways but let's stop acting like this was a clear cut foul. There's a reason it's blowing up all over the Internet. I was rooting for nova so I'm not all that concerned but it was a ballsy call at best. I like how Bill Self handled it though while talking to the media....can you imagine Mick in that situation?
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Ballsy call for sure. I live in KC and my friends I was watching it with were pissed for 2 seconds then moved on. After the game they weren't even talking about it. They were too busy being angry with Selden and Ellis and rehashing all the missed wide open shots.

Didn't see what Self said...did he downplay it?

*Also, since they called it a player control foul I think they were basically giving Hart that established spot. Not saying that's better or worse for those who didn't think it was a foul, just FYI.
 
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WAITE HOYT 2 said:
WH the debate is have the last 5 years been good years for the university. For me they have been for others they haven't. That is the debate.
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Actually I think the debate for the most part centers around the idea of getting to the "next level". That is being an actual contender for top 10 rankings or deep runs in March. Some have argued we have been held back by perceived disadvantages which I believe are affecting the situation very very little.

I'm not arguing whether or not we've had "good seasons". Most of us want a "great" season mixed in every so often. I don't think we have any significant disadvantages holding us back with recruiting other than the current perception of our coach or program being in the elite class. It's up to the coach to get that going and without excuses IMO.
 

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