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jacobkdoyle said:
Also listened to this guy on a podcast. You would hate him Waite. He says the talent gap in college basketball is shrinking, not getting wider, bc basketball is such a popular and global game these days and the sheer amount of good players available makes it so basically every team has good players. He predicts we'll see more 16 seeds win in the future bc of this. Especially when the top seeds don't have multiple lottery picks, which few teams do.

Idk. Just a different point of view from a guy who has been around the game for a long time. Especially at the HS level.
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I hope he is right Jake. The dark side of me thinks otherwise. I think he is right about the amount of players but they will always be impacted by those willing to pay or those being helped by the networks. The NCAA is full of BS!!! Of course this is only my opinion.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
@coachthorpe
As Cincy flirted with getting up 20 I said to my son @MaxThorpe5 "they need to get up 25 and then it's over." I was serious, but at 22 pts I did think it should have been over. Their lack of any plan whatsoever on offense killed them. "Go crash the glass" isn't a plan.
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I don't know who max thorpe is but this is all stuff people have been saying on here for years. You can't count on turnovers and offensive rebounds to be part of the offense. These should be bonuses. Good teams don't allow these things. Even if you like cronin as a coach, his inability to draw up a play or two to get a basket is alarming. (i know they missed a ton of shots)
 
cincyguy13 said:
I don't know who max thorpe is but this is all stuff people have been saying on here for years. You can't count on turnovers and offensive rebounds to be part of the offense. These should be bonuses. Good teams don't allow these things. Even if you like cronin as a coach, his inability to draw up a play or two to get a basket is alarming. (i know they missed a ton of shots)
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It's David Thorpe. He's a coach. I don't know his whole background but he's been on The Lowe Post and a couple other podcasts I listen to.

Just thought it was funny that he could turn on a UC game and immediately see those things.
 
cincyguy13 said:
I don't know who max thorpe is but this is all stuff people have been saying on here for years. You can't count on turnovers and offensive rebounds to be part of the offense. These should be bonuses. Good teams don't allow these things. Even if you like cronin as a coach, his inability to draw up a play or two to get a basket is alarming. (i know they missed a ton of shots)
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Cincy I see what your saying but he has coached well enough to compete for league and conference titles, make the tourney and have a 22 point lead at the under 11;00 minute mark for a sweet 16 appearance. He has to be able to coach, recruit and develop a little bit. You may argue that he has reached his ceiling but his accomplishments lead me to believe he knows more then guard and rebound. He doesn't get out coached often.
 
Our coach is far from perfect no doubt but his methods produce. Maybe not at the level some would like or expect but his teams win. I suspect that if he was able to land the kind of kids Cal does his coaching methods may be different.
 
WAITE HOYT 2 said:
Our coach is far from perfect no doubt but his methods produce. Maybe not at the level some would like or expect but his teams win. I suspect that if he was able to land the kind of kids Cal does his coaching methods may be different.
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I disagree.
 
While I am not going to sit here and argue that Cronin didn't have a hand in our meltdown the players share some of the blame. if a board of basketball fans can watch a game and identify bad shot after bad shot go up then the guys who have played the game almost their whole lives have to have a little knowledge about what is a good play and what isn't as well. I mean I read on here all the time that he should let them play and when he does they that was the result. Go Figure!
 
WAITE HOYT 2 said:
LOL!!! I guess we will never know for sure.
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What makes you think he'd do anything different? He coaches how he knows how to coach. This year we had 4 1,000 point scorers + Cumberland. That's as much talent in the college game as you can have honestly.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
What makes you think he'd do anything different? He coaches how he knows how to coach. This year we had 4 1,000 point scorers + Cumberland. That's as much talent in the college game as you can have honestly.
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With all that scoring going on and all the rebounding and defense how did we lose? sounds like we had a bunch of guys putting the ball in the basket. Not bad for not having a offense.
 
WAITE HOYT 2 said:
Our coach is far from perfect no doubt but his methods produce. Maybe not at the level some would like or expect but his teams win. I suspect that if he was able to land the kind of kids Cal does his coaching methods may be different.
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We didn't get beat by KY we got beat by Nevada. A team that had some pretty good clutch players and a coach who knows how to get them to score. Our coach knows D...but he needs some help on offense.

There were lots of good players in the tourney not on blue blood teams or P5 teams. Players that can make plays in March. We need some of them...and we need Cronin to get help figuring out how to get his players to score. He probably runs specific sets designed for his talent level...which means he is the one responsible for NOT recruiting some of these guys who can shoot off the dribble or with a hand in their face etc.
 
WAITE HOYT 2 said:
While I am not going to sit here and argue that Cronin didn't have a hand in our meltdown the players share some of the blame. if a board of basketball fans can watch a game and identify bad shot after bad shot go up then the guys who have played the game almost their whole lives have to have a little knowledge about what is a good play and what isn't as well. I mean I read on here all the time that he should let them play and when he does they that was the result. Go Figure!
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Cmon man. The Mick Cronin apologist thing is too much. The guy completely melted down. Somehow his players have failed to make it out of the first weekend 7 out of 8 years. There's a common theme there and it's Cronin. Stop making excuses for him. He completely lost control of that game. Our players not knowing how to respond and stay calm is a direct result of the coach melting down on the sidelines. When a lead starts to evaporate like that, you need someone to lead and calm things down. Instead, Cronin does the exact opposite. It's embarrassing honestly.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
Cmon man. The Mick Cronin apologist thing is too much. The guy completely melted down. Somehow his players have failed to make it out of the first weekend 7 out of 8 years. There's a common theme there and it's Cronin. Stop making excuses for him. He completely lost control of that game. Our players not knowing how to respond and stay calm is a direct result of the coach melting down on the sidelines. When a lead starts to evaporate like that, you need someone to lead and calm things down. Instead, Cronin does the exact opposite. It's embarrassing honestly.
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I'm good with all that Jake. He is the leader and is paid to win. But Come on man, players have to bare some responsibility for their performance. It is not all coaching. We fouled, missed bunnies and turned the ball over. This Cronin is the anti Christ has to end as well.
 
WAITE HOYT 2 said:
I'm good with all that Jake. He is the leader and is paid to win. But Come on man, players have to bare some responsibility for their performance. It is not all coaching. We fouled, missed bunnies and turned the ball over. This Cronin is the anti Christ has to end as well.
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Or... mick can acknowledge his flaws and work to improve them.

Dude needs to take a hard look in the mirror. He was a basket case on the sidelines.
 
Mick is certainly part of the process but we had 2 seniors, two JR PG's a Jr wing and potential 1st round draft pick and a soph who played major minutes as a freshman unable to close out a less talented team leading by 22 in the last 11 minutes of a game. The freaking coaches could have left the bench and the players should not have lost that game.
 
WAITE HOYT 2 said:
Mick is certainly part of the process but we had 2 seniors, two JR PG's a Jr wing and potential 1st round draft pick and a soph who played major minutes as a freshman unable to close out a less talented team leading by 22 in the last 11 minutes of a game. The freaking coaches could have left the bench and the players should not have lost that game.
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Maybe that's the key :)
 
TheLivingLegend said:
Fool me once, Shame on you. Fool me twice.....

Mick is full of empty promises. "Faster tempo" " Best shooter I've ever recruited"

Ive heard all the talk.
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I could careless what Mick says to the media. I'm only interested in results. As I have posted here many times I am not ready under the conditions this program is force to operate under due to conference affiliation to fire the coach. I'm 64 years old and have no desire to relive the Yates years. I like filling out my bracket with UC in the field. I like knowing that on most nights I have a chance to root for a winner. He delivers that in a broken system. I have know desire to end up like UCONN or Memphis and others who have dropped off the landscape. I do recognize that someone better may be out there but I am a guy who likes the odds in his favor. Searching for someone who can deliver what most on here want is not a slam dunk. Also if you did find him how long would he stay. So my hope is Mick learns form his missteps and improves. For anyone disagreeing with me I certainly respect your opinion but we will have to agree to disagree.
 

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