Ok that is so offensive ....and so damn funny! And in reality so true! Any team that relies on sanders to be more than the 9th-10th option is a team that will not compete for a national championship.
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Ok that is so offensive ....and so damn funny! And in reality so true! Any team that relies on sanders to be more than the 9th-10th option is a team that will not compete for a national championship.
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Shaq's on the ball defense isn't bad, but he gets lost off the ball and doesn't always switch well. And alot of the times he gets burned back down court in transition when he's the guy hanging back. There's a lot more to Mick's defense than defending when your guy has the ball. And pakman to your point about rather having Shaq beat his man and miss a bunny and create offensive rebounding opportunities than have Sanders in there makes no sense. You can give anybody on a team a shot and they can miss it and that will create a offensive rebounding opportunity. The simple fact is the reason we are always a good offensive rebounding team is the amount of missed shots we have. I won't suggest we don't crash the boards well, because we do, but when you make your shots then you don't need to crash the boards. And rebounding Sanders is probably the most underrated guy on the team. He knows how to box out and is always in position for rebounds. He outrebounded Shaq on the defensive end and the offensive end in less minutes played. He also had more assists and way less turnovers. Shaq scored more but not to make up for the points he gives up on D. And in conference play Sanders numbers match-up even better. I get it that Shaq has a higher ceiling and that is why Mick has played him as much as he has. But the numbers don't lie and neither do my eyes and I'd rather have a role player like Sanders getting minutes over Shaq when there are other guys that you can rely on to score. This year I think we'll have plenty of guys that can score. I'll take a guy like Sanders doing the thankless dirty work.
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I could agree to that. The problem with a statement like that is it suggests another player would help us compete for a national championship and Sanders is the one holding us back. I know that's not the point you were trying to make but just trying to create debate. In reality we've never had the talent to compete for a national championship under Mick so singling out one player doesn't address that issue. And based on the running debate, does relying on a guy like Shaq help us compete for a national championship? The question at hand is rather Shaq offers you more than Sanders does all-in-all. I say based on everything I've seen up to this point he doesn't. I like Shaq and hope he can reach his potential. Until he does though he can be a serious liability on the floor at times. And teams that compete for national championships don't give starter minutes to guys that are serious liabilities.
jermaine sanders being a liability is a joke you must of forgot he helped us alot of games with big shots take away his shots we could of lost more games.And for the record he has took teams to alot damn championship before college and oh he helped the bearcats win also.So no he is not athletic not fancy but as far as I have seen when does that alone win championships? but yes being a team player making big shots getting rebounds playing the way the coaches want does,look at the national champs resume and I bet you athletic kids can not do it alone fool.Only liability is you making comments like that when you should be supporting the kid and the program.
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Well said??? Really??? Did we read the same post. Trying to read that gave me a headache. This site continues to go downhill.
david aka the TYZ
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You're new here, so let me first say name calling isn't tolerated. Secondly I think you need to reread the forum and reread my statement and realize what I said and who I was saying it about. Thirdly don't ever question my loyalty and support for this team. I support the program, the coach and the all the players. I do it with my time and my money. I don't boo our players at games like some fans and try to be as positive as I can. What I will do is get on a forum and critique players as that is what forums are for. Although more often than not I am very positve with my statements. When I do critique a player it is usually in response to a running thread.
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First of all, we welcome debate but calling someone a fool and making things personal isnt a good way to start things out. You might want to check that.
Secondly, Jermaine Sanders is what he is. I was one who thought he'd be better, he is at least solid, but he is a solid role player. He's going to hit some shots, and he is going to play soundly, but he is what he is. However, that's not a bad thing. Teams need players like Jermaine Sanders and I'm glad he's part of this team. He does whatever is asked of him and is a good example to the younger players on this squad.
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agree on Jermaine, Jeff. Every team needs role players like him.
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I think Sanders is poised for a big year, possibly averaging 10-12ppg. He is in the best shape of his life and has a lot of experience. He is very steady and has Mick's trust. Like others have said, he is what you want in a role player.
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Can we check the IP address on this guy? The only person that used to say "fool" here was Bulldog. Not to mention, the terrible spelling and grammar is a dead giveaway.
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I have checked and the IP address does not match Bulldog's.
My critique of Sanders is not to be interpreted as a lack of support for him and/or the program. He is a Bearcat and we cheer them regardless.
But for a program like ours, that doesn't get the top recruits, we have to rely on player development in order to get to the championship level. Shaq has much higher potential of being able to elevate us a notch compared to Sanders, which is why I am in favor of playing him more and living with some of his deficiencies while he overcomes them.
Either way, its ultimately gonna be KJ and Caupain that determine our ceiling the next couple of years.
But for a program like ours, that doesn't get the top recruits, we have to rely on player development in order to get to the championship level. Shaq has much higher potential of being able to elevate us a notch compared to Sanders, which is why I am in favor of playing him more and living with some of his deficiencies while he overcomes them.
Either way, its ultimately gonna be KJ and Caupain that determine our ceiling the next couple of years.
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I'm happy basketball season is starting but we are 2-0 in football and playing the in state powerhouse. It doesn't get much better then that. A win in Columbus would be a huge booast to UC Atletics. Basketball can wait.Teams can start practice in 9 days.
Basketball starts in 9 days!!!!!!!!
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Apparently we can't be excited about the start of basketball season because UC plays OSU in football, noted.
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Lol! You certainly can. Just would like to see the football team get the attention. The fate of the program as it applies to the big five is tied to football. A win on Saturday will help improve our brand which benefits all the programs. Not trying to tell anybody what to do just trying to encourage people to support the footballers.