PG next year

[mplebanon]

Meh.

Lance and Vaughn played because the rest of the roster sucked.

Vaughn wouldn't have played nearly as much on last season's team.

I never thought much of Lance at UC. He's obviously upped his game in the NBA. But he couldn't shoot the 3 and really didn't do anything to warrant his high ranking. UC would have probably been better off never having Lance play for them. They didn't even make the tournament with him here.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Meh.

Lance and Vaughn played because the rest of the roster sucked.

Vaughn wouldn't have played nearly as much on last season's team.

I never thought much of Lance at UC. He's obviously upped his game in the NBA. But he couldn't shoot the 3 and really didn't do anything to warrant his high ranking. UC would have probably been better off never having Lance play for them. They didn't even make the tournament with him here.

If Lance had stayed another year he would have been a huge contributor. Lance was adjusting to the college game where he had to play more without the ball in his hands. Blending his game to his teammates was tough for him. He also has helped keep the recruiting pipeline to NYC open. He was a huge get and gives Cronin a presence in the NBA. Saying we would have been better off without him is not even close to accurate.

 

[JumpinJack5]

Meh.

Lance and Vaughn played because the rest of the roster sucked.

Vaughn wouldn't have played nearly as much on last season's team.

I never thought much of Lance at UC. He's obviously upped his game in the NBA. But he couldn't shoot the 3 and really didn't do anything to warrant his high ranking. UC would have probably been better off never having Lance play for them. They didn't even make the tournament with him here.

I guess since you wish we never got Lance, you also wish we never got Shaq Thomas, Jermaine Sanders, and Jermaine Lawrence.......

 

[UCalum08]

If Lance had stayed another year he would have been a huge contributor. Lance was adjusting to the college game where he had to play more without the ball in his hands. Blending his game to his teammates was tough for him. He also has helped keep the recruiting pipeline to NYC open. He was a huge get and gives Cronin a presence in the NBA. Saying we would have been better off without him is not even close to accurate.

Agreed! I sure enjoyed watching the pacers in the playoffs and hearing the commentators say Lance from the university of Cincinnati it def is a plus he was with us even if it was a year.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Agreed! I sure enjoyed watching the pacers in the playoffs and hearing the commentators say Lance from the university of Cincinnati it def is a plus he was with us even if it was a year.

I was pullin for the Pacers to beat the Heat as well. I also know that Lance has been back to Cincy on many occasions visiting the team.

 

[mplebanon]

I guess since you wish we never got Lance, you also wish we never got Shaq Thomas, Jermaine Sanders, and Jermaine Lawrence.......

That's just a stupid statement.

 

[mplebanon]

If Lance had stayed another year he would have been a huge contributor. Lance was adjusting to the college game where he had to play more without the ball in his hands. Blending his game to his teammates was tough for him. He also has helped keep the recruiting pipeline to NYC open. He was a huge get and gives Cronin a presence in the NBA. Saying we would have been better off without him is not even close to accurate.

Had stayed another year? It was well known he was one and done when he came here. It doesn't matter what you think would have happened with another season because it was NEVER going to happen.

My statement is accurate enough for me because I wasn't impressed with Lance at all. It was a waste for him to play 1 year. It didn't improve the team. It was somewhat of a sideshow.

I'm just glad those days are over. Since he left, UC made the tournament 3 times. The talent level is better.

Savino has more to do with the pipeline to NY than Lance coming here does.

 

[JackBauer151]

Had stayed another year? It was well known he was one and done when he came here. It doesn't matter what you think would have happened with another season because it was NEVER going to happen.

My statement is accurate enough for me because I wasn't impressed with Lance at all. It was a waste for him to play 1 year. It didn't improve the team. It was somewhat of a sideshow.

I'm just glad those days are over. Since he left, UC made the tournament 3 times. The talent level is better.

Savino has more to do with the pipeline to NY than Lance coming here does.

No doubt Savino is huge for the NY\NJ pipeline. However you have to have that pipeline start somewhere. Lance was a god at the time in the NYC basketball scene. He took on OJ Mayo at Rucker park. Broke NYC's all time scoring record. Multiple state titles. Him choosing Cincinnati was a huge deal regardless of the circumstances around it. He helped make it "cool" again to come to Cincinnati. Him being a bearcat has had a profound effect in the NYC recruiting pipeline.

 

[JumpinJack5]

That's just a stupid statement.

Its not stupid, it is completely relevant. We had little to no NY connections in the early Cronin years and Lance was a big reason why that has changed. The combination of having Savino, an excellent NY/NJ recruiter, and the precedent that was partially established by Lance play a huge role in our recent recruiting success in the area. Plus, if we didnt have Lance, who would've played? He was definitely better than any freshman we might have gotten and was better than any other player we had on the team at the time. That team wasn't ready to make the tournament, with or without Lance. Lance helped usher in a new era in Bearcats basketball and it really helped our recruiting image.

 

[JumpinJack5]

Had stayed another year? It was well known he was one and done when he came here. It doesn't matter what you think would have happened with another season because it was NEVER going to happen.

My statement is accurate enough for me because I wasn't impressed with Lance at all. It was a waste for him to play 1 year. It didn't improve the team. It was somewhat of a sideshow.

I'm just glad those days are over. Since he left, UC made the tournament 3 times. The talent level is better.

Savino has more to do with the pipeline to NY than Lance coming here does.

When is the last time somebody that scored 10 ppg hurt a team? While he many not have dominated the way you wanted him too, he definitely wasn't a liability to the team. He was the BE freshman of the year, it was not a waste to have him. Now, lets look at the text in bold print. You are glad those days are over and Lance helped get us out of that era. Then, you use faulty logic that UC was magically improved (3 straight tourneys) after he left. Wow, Im impressed, I didn't realize one player played all 5 positions. Basketball is a team game and like you said, the talent is better now. When Lance came, we were stuck in a transition between completely sucking and slowly improving. Blaming him for not making the tournament is outrageous-we missed the tourney because we were a young team and you could plug in almost anybody to replace Lance with and we would've had the same record, IMO. Finally, look at Jermaine Lawrence's comments on his UC decision: he went out of his way to mention Lance and didnt say a word about Savino. Savino is a great recruiter, but if he didnt have a good product to sell, it would be very hard for him to lure in top prospects. Lance greatly enhances that product and it helps make Savino an even more effective recruiter......

 

[Gotcha23]

Had stayed another year? It was well known he was one and done when he came here. It doesn't matter what you think would have happened with another season because it was NEVER going to happen.

My statement is accurate enough for me because I wasn't impressed with Lance at all. It was a waste for him to play 1 year. It didn't improve the team. It was somewhat of a sideshow.

I'm just glad those days are over. Since he left, UC made the tournament 3 times. The talent level is better.

Savino has more to do with the pipeline to NY than Lance coming here does.

Lance vs. Crawford was an absolute blast to watch MPLE!! I know he didn't have the year most expected but he showed flashes of serious power. Dunk on Depaul, X game. I would take him again in a heartbeat. Lance is a legend in NYC and I'm sure that really helps recruiting but yea Savino is the one making the moves in NYC.

 

[cincycpaw]

The rest of that terrible team got in lances way. Was Cronins worst coaching year.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Had stayed another year? It was well known he was one and done when he came here. It doesn't matter what you think would have happened with another season because it was NEVER going to happen.

My statement is accurate enough for me because I wasn't impressed with Lance at all. It was a waste for him to play 1 year. It didn't improve the team. It was somewhat of a sideshow.

I'm just glad those days are over. Since he left, UC made the tournament 3 times. The talent level is better.

Savino has more to do with the pipeline to NY than Lance coming here does.

Larry Davis was the point person recruiting LS. It was widely known that he was a 1 and done player, but there have been other players that have been listed as 1 and done that stay 2-3 years, so you never know. When you get a chance to get the best scorer in NYC history and a top 10 talent you take it 12 times out of 10 unless you are UK or UNC and have excess of talent (in which case Cal would run off an upperclassman).

Do you think Kilpatrick benefitted playing with LS in practice and in open gym? What about when Lance visits or gets publicity in the playoffs?

As mentioned he was BE rookie of year so many coaches (some elite coaches)in league thought he was best newcomer. He may have been a sideshow but he was far from a distraction ie. no on/off court problems. Also, if you think he was a sideshow, Lawrence will be this year (on a slightly smaller scale) as well mainly b/c of his elite ranking.

Who was the last player that UC put in the NBA before LS? I am not talking the Globetrotters or Turkey or Greece but the association. Lance did nothing but come in keep his head down and play and get drafted. Again, nothing he did here was negative.

 

[TheLongHaul]

Meh.

Lance and Vaughn played because the rest of the roster sucked.

Vaughn wouldn't have played nearly as much on last season's team.

I never thought much of Lance at UC. He's obviously upped his game in the NBA. But he couldn't shoot the 3 and really didn't do anything to warrant his high ranking. UC would have probably been better off never having Lance play for them. They didn't even make the tournament with him here.

BE freshman of the year, led BE freshman in scoring, helped UC in recruiting NY kids, was probably the best player on the team...Yea, UC would have been much better without him.

 

[mplebanon]

Its not stupid, it is completely relevant. We had little to no NY connections in the early Cronin years and Lance was a big reason why that has changed. The combination of having Savino, an excellent NY/NJ recruiter, and the precedent that was partially established by Lance play a huge role in our recent recruiting success in the area. Plus, if we didnt have Lance, who would've played? He was definitely better than any freshman we might have gotten and was better than any other player we had on the team at the time. That team wasn't ready to make the tournament, with or without Lance. Lance helped usher in a new era in Bearcats basketball and it really helped our recruiting image.

No. It was a very stupid statement, if not one of the dumbest ever.

Lance was a one and done deal no matter what.

All the guys you named will play 3 or 4 years and develop. Apples and corn. Not even in the same category.

 

[mplebanon]

BE freshman of the year, led BE freshman in scoring, helped UC in recruiting NY kids, was probably the best player on the team...Yea, UC would have been much better without him.

That's your opinion. I hated that season. I hated them bringing him here as a sideshow.

And frankly, he ended up at UC because he had no other place to go. We were his last resort. Nobody else wanted his act.

One and done's are a complete waste of time unless you have a tournament-caliber team that the one and done can put you over the top. Otherwise, you're just wasting time that could be used to develop another player.

I'm done arguing since I know I'm right.

You guys can keep it up and have fun.

 

[JumpinJack5]

No. It was a very stupid statement, if not one of the dumbest ever.

Lance was a one and done deal no matter what.

All the guys you named will play 3 or 4 years and develop. Apples and corn. Not even in the same category.

Think you missed the point, Sherlock. I wasn't comparing the players, I was comparing their pathway to UC. Lance set the precedent for NY recruiting in the Mick Cronin era and you know it. He was the big fish that we had/have missed on many times before, and by getting him, it makes it much easier for a NY kid such as Lawrence to see somebody from his area that went to UC and ended up turning into a pretty solid NBA player. Savino does and would be dumb not to use this basic plus to his advantage.

 

[coachpipe]

Go somewhere else mplebanon. Now your arguments are just getting annoying. No one agrees with you. I dont even think you agree with yourself

 

[TheLongHaul]

Go somewhere else mplebanon. Now your arguments are just getting annoying. No one agrees with you. I dont even think you agree with yourself

Chatter has no where else to go. He's been run off from every board there is...multiple times.

 

[Ryno99]

That's your opinion. I hated that season. I hated them bringing him here as a sideshow.

And frankly, he ended up at UC because he had no other place to go. We were his last resort. Nobody else wanted his act.

One and done's are a complete waste of time unless you have a tournament-caliber team that the one and done can put you over the top. Otherwise, you're just wasting time that could be used to develop another player.

I'm done arguing since I know I'm right.

You guys can keep it up and have fun.

IMO this is a severely short sighted statement, one and done's are definitely not complete waste's of time. It's not just what a player does on the court, it's what he adds to the program in value as in recruiting value etc. To not include this would be very short sighted IMO.