Honestly wonder if that has to do with not being able to practice or even get in a gym for an extended of time. Ever player isn’t going to improve. They just aren’t. Focal point of defenses, reach there peak, maybe they just aren’t that good (Vogt). It’s different for every player. 1 year is way too early to tell if player development is an issue in my opinion but it you already had your mind made up I could see how you couldMAW has regressed year over year
Literally worse in every category except free throw percentage which is negated by the fact he gets yo the line even less.
These are facts. Not rhetoric
Tough to defend
Please show me where Keith improved, his offensive rating is down 8 points, shooting down, 2pt fg% down, free throw percentage down. Efg% down and true shooting is down.
Keith literally stayed on the same path soph to JR season efficiency wise then took a huge dip his SR year. Just like jarron, just like Vogt.
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Agree with you there. Never understood paying for a message board. If that’s you’re thing, have at it.Oh I can still read it and have access to all the content (or lack thereof lol)
And it’s dead over there, boring and not worth 10 bucks a month for a website that literally has zero access. Justin Williams is in deeper with CJB than brendel.
When was the last time that VIP access gave you access to anything of value? Not since the mick Cronin era. The team sucks and his access is literally not good any more. He can’t afford dissenting voices. Just state run media
Oh I can still read it and have access to all the content (or lack thereof lol)
And it’s dead over there, boring and not worth 10 bucks a month for a website that literally has zero access. Justin Williams is in deeper with CJB than brendel.
When was the last time that VIP access gave you access to anything of value? Not since the mick Cronin era. The team sucks and his access is literally not good any more. He can’t afford dissenting voices. Just state run media
Oh I can still read it and have access to all the content (or lack thereof lol)
And it’s dead over there, boring and not worth 10 bucks a month for a website that literally has zero access. Justin Williams is in deeper with CJB than brendel.
When was the last time that VIP access gave you access to anything of value? Not since the mick Cronin era. The team sucks and his access is literally not good any more. He can’t afford dissenting voices. Just state run media
When Chad lost Dan Cronin as an inside source he lost his only source.
Jarron was hurt as a Junior. It's not like the injury just appeared out of nowhere. The problem is Brannen came in and said we are going to do things my way (which meant McNeal starting at PG). He took 8 games (and causing us to lose multiple games because McNeal couldn't even hit a FT) to give it up. He also created an unnecessary power struggle with Jarron by doing so.
And yes, Brannen's job is to help Keith improve. It is on Brannen at least as much as it is on Keith. Guys choose coaches because they believe the coach will help them improve (and get into pro basketball).
Davenport and Harvey have improved, but again the issue is percentages. Even a terrible coach is going to have some success, some guys are going to improve in spite of a coach and it's hard to miss on every transfer (though Brannen has been trying his best).
Is Brannen's player development good enough to get us back to the top of the AAC? Thus far is doesn't look like it. For every player who improved, I can give you one who didn't. 50% player improvement is not nearly good enough. 33% quality transfers is not nearly good enough.
It's only year two, so maybe things improve. As I've said in the past, there's no single area where Brannen is so bad that it is worthy of firing (or that it can't improve). But to me the overall product is bad enough that I don't see it improving by next year. Bad transfers, poor player development, poor choice of personnel on the court, terrible depth at the 4/5 and no recruiting for next year.
Honestly wonder if that has to do with not being able to practice or even get in a gym for an extended of time. Ever player isn’t going to improve. They just aren’t. Focal point of defenses, reach there peak, maybe they just aren’t that good (Vogt). It’s different for every player. 1 year is way too early to tell if player development is an issue in my opinion but it you already had your mind made up I could see how you could
To expect every player to improve every year is not realistic at all. No team has ever done that. Ever. For different reasons. Guys have ceilings, guys can’t handle being the focus, etc... your boy cronin never had every player improve. If they all improved every year, they’d all be in the nba at some point.I guess I just expect all players to get better. And most players do. It’s not very common for players to regress so much year over year,
I think it just goes to show how much of last year teams benefited from the attention jarron drew and the way he made his teammates better.
Maybe Chris Vogt was only good last year because of Tre and jarron.
As for Tre Scott, I think he did flourish under John Brannen last year but not because of the reason you think. In my opinion, Tre Scott is a mick Cronin guy through and through; tough as nail, athletic, elite rebounder, multi faceted defender,
So when you pair a mick guy like Tre with the anti Mick Cronin player, Chris Vogt, then Tre is going to shine even more. Because on a mick Cronin team, he’s basically competing with the opposing team for rebounders and also his own. Him and big Nas would be crashing boards together. Fighting for lose balls and boxing out guys. But when Chris Vogt is on your team, and jay sorolla. You are the alpha on your team. It’s cake work to grab every rebound because your own teams can barely walk & chew gum.
Mick saw something in Tre Scott. Mick was super selective in who he redshirted. I think we’re going to see laquill hardnett also blossom into a good player over the next few years. Tre Scott was groomed to be who he developed into for 4 years by mick Cronin. They just happened to put an alpha on the same team as a few betas
Would Tre Scott put up these same numbers if Nysier Brooks is competing for rebounds with him? Likely not. He’d still be great but not 20 rebounds great
MAW has a pretty big problem after teams have a year of film. You just take his left hand away and that hurts him quite a bit. He just has to be able to make 3's I think. If he is trying to get in the lane from the wing he can mainly only do that from the right side and defenses take that away. He doens't really drive from the left wing. He was good driving from the top of the key last year but he's not PG anymore.
He's limited. He can play D. He can hit a 3 we think. He can drive in limited situations. He's a role player IMO. But that's okay.
I guess I just expect all players to get better. And most players do. It’s not very common for players to regress so much year over year,
I think it just goes to show how much of last year teams benefited from the attention jarron drew and the way he made his teammates better.
Maybe Chris Vogt was only good last year because of Tre and jarron.
As for Tre Scott, I think he did flourish under John Brannen last year but not because of the reason you think. In my opinion, Tre Scott is a mick Cronin guy through and through; tough as nail, athletic, elite rebounder, multi faceted defender,
So when you pair a mick guy like Tre with the anti Mick Cronin player, Chris Vogt, then Tre is going to shine even more. Because on a mick Cronin team, he’s basically competing with the opposing team for rebounders and also his own. Him and big Nas would be crashing boards together. Fighting for lose balls and boxing out guys. But when Chris Vogt is on your team, and jay sorolla. You are the alpha on your team. It’s cake work to grab every rebound because your own teams can barely walk & chew gum.
Mick saw something in Tre Scott. Mick was super selective in who he redshirted. I think we’re going to see laquill hardnett also blossom into a good player over the next few years. Tre Scott was groomed to be who he developed into for 4 years by mick Cronin. They just happened to put an alpha on the same team as a few betas
Would Tre Scott put up these same numbers if Nysier Brooks is competing for rebounds with him? Likely not. He’d still be great but not 20 rebounds great
To expect every player to improve every year is not realistic at all. No team has ever done that. Ever. For different reasons. Guys have ceilings, guys can’t handle being the focus, etc... your boy cronin never had every player improve. If they all improved every year, they’d all be in the nba at some point.
Vogt isn’t improving. We knew what he was when he got here. He had a good couple months, teams adjusted, game over. There’s really nothing he can do. 1 trick pony. To get Vogt to where he was last year was a miracle in my opinion
Keith can’t dribble and that seems to be his biggest issue. He was handed the keys to the castle and hasn’t taken advantage. Sone can’t handle being the man or aren’t good enough. Similar to what happened to troy caupian he’s senior year. There was no where he could improve. Reached his ceiling. Was that micks fault? By your argument, I guess it was.
Damon flint never really improved. Was that Huggins fault? Jermaine sanders never improve. Mick couldnt turn jermaine lawerence, a 5 star in to anything. Was that micks fault or the player wasn’t that good. By you logic, we should blame mick. Right? We could name a ton of players that never improved over the years.
You know what you’re doing. You’ve watch too much basketball to know not every player is going to improve every year.
...... that’s your answer?
There is a huge difference in improving year over year vs improving so that every UC player made the nba.
Justin jenifer improved year over year
Sean kilpstrick
Jarron cumberlsnd
Gary Clark
Troy caupain
Even not sure great players improved year over year:
Kevin Johnson
And what’s even better, I can’t think of a Cronin player who significantly regressed year over year.
Like looking at UCLA’s current roster, I don’t think there is a player on the team who isn’t better than last year.
Some player progress slower, but they should always maintain where they are or get better. Brannen has guys who literally have gotten worse. I don’t think that’s a great sign
Tre Scott did more than rebound last year. He scored the ball pretty well in the 2nd half of the season. He was already a good defender and rebounder. He passed the ball pretty well. He was vocal. I think CJB put him in some sort of leadership camp before Sr year. He ended up getting the Sportsmanship Award on top of MIP and DPOY.
But it was all going to happen either way. Some of the mental gymnastics to avoid saying a particular coach may have played a part in some of the improvements we see is getting weird.
...... that’s your answer?
There is a huge difference in improving year over year vs improving so that every UC player made the nba.
Justin jenifer improved year over year
Sean kilpstrick
Jarron cumberlsnd
Gary Clark
Troy caupain
Even not sure great players improved year over year:
Kevin Johnson
And what’s even better, I can’t think of a Cronin player who significantly regressed year over year.
Like looking at UCLA’s current roster, I don’t think there is a player on the team who isn’t better than last year.
Some player progress slower, but they should always maintain where they are or get better. Brannen has guys who literally have gotten worse. I don’t think that’s a great sign
Tre Scott continued the upward trend he was on under Cronin.
Look at the numbers. His lowest offensive rating of his career was last season.
Prior to that Tre was quietly putting up Gary Clark-lite like numbers his JR year. His offensive rebounding numbers stayed roughly the same, but his defensive rebounding was significantly up because his teammates were awful rebounders.
I think you could find a prediction from me on this board that Tre was becoming the the next Gary Clark before even Cronin left.
The numbers showed it.