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I have, and I currently have someone close with mental issues. I can never speak to anyone else's circumstance, that's why I haven't.

Speaking in context of being around your brother's "Teammates" this decision was probably been made a while ago, just never executed.

I'm just speaking to the "Moment" and not the entire season.

It has to be difficult for everyone.
The timing on this and Harvey is the oddest part to me. I understand the mental part, not really but I get that it’s hard, but there are 3 games left and 1 today. With Harvey it was 3 weeks. To me it seems like you are kinda letting your teammates down. But maybe brannen provides an out for these guys, and some of them take it. Which is a good thing as a coach. I don’t know
 
Could you imagine just gutting out a win, and within 48 hours, "I'm Done."

Plus your next 2 games are at home. I get that this is a lost season, but something is not right.

Makes me wonder if we only had 4 total losses this season, would the opt outs be the same.

think it was closer to 12 hours
 
The timing on this and Harvey is the oddest part to me. I understand the mental part, not really but I get that it’s hard, but there are 3 games left and 1 today. With Harvey it was 3 weeks. To me it seems like you are kinda letting your teammates down. But maybe brannen provides an out for these guys, and some of them take it. Which is a good thing as a coach. I don’t know

Harvey has alot going on from what I have heard. Alot.

But I don't expect him to return.
 
The timing on this and Harvey is the oddest part to me. I understand the mental part, not really but I get that it’s hard, but there are 3 games left and 1 today. With Harvey it was 3 weeks. To me it seems like you are kinda letting your teammates down. But maybe brannen provides an out for these guys, and some of them take it. Which is a good thing as a coach. I don’t know


The thing is, you're thinking about timing as it relates to basketball. DeJulius is doing what he's doing for his mental health. What if he got to a point where he just couldn't go for 1 more day. It's irrelevant how many games are left.
 
Joey Votto took time off due to mental health issues in the middle of his breakout 2009 season. Dealing with that is more important than sports, even for a professional.
 
The thing is, you're thinking about timing as it relates to basketball. DeJulius is doing what he's doing for his mental health. What if he got to a point where he just couldn't go for 1 more day. It's irrelevant how many games are left.

I don’t know what’s going on with these guys. Just talking. Yes, he could be at a breaking point. It’s still odd that the breaking point was with 3 games left. Basically 1 week. To me, that’s odd timing. But I have no idea what’s going on. I’m a guy on a message board wondering what’s going on in relation to basketball. I obviously want the guy to get better. I want everyone to get better. From a basketball stand point it’s odd.
 
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I don’t know what’s going on with these guys. Just talking. Yes, he could be at a breaking point. It’s still odd that the breaking point was with 3 games left. Basically 1 week. To me, that’s odd timing. But I have no idea what’s going on. I’m a guy on a message board wondering what’s going on in relation to basketball. I obviously want the guy to get better. I want everyone to get better. From a basketball stand point it’s odd.

I don't follow any other programs. Curious if this is happening elsewhere.
 
Add in that there are natural anxiety periods that occur in life.

You find that a lot of people experience anxiety and panic disorders during transitional periods from adolescent to now young adult (18-22) and then later in their 30’s and 40’s.

Speaking from personal experience, I was 19. Work was extremely slow so I had multiple off days. I lived alone in my apartment and started getting this overwhelming bout of panic . It last a week. I lost 10 pounds and didn’t sleep for 5 straight days, which on day 3 included a hospital trip and anti histamine injection to help me sleep. It didn’t work. I was at the edge and the down time made it worse.

And if I had to guess it’s the downtime that’s killing DJD. You can’t get out of your own head if your constantly living in it with nothing to do, idle mind is anxiety’s playground.

Thankfully that experience taught me how to cope with anxiety.

Also I smoked some weed and it broke me out of the rut becayse it made me eat and sleep.
 
I would imagine anyone citing mental health issues must be dealt with very cautiously and seriously by the coaches and admin. That is not something you can just say "pull up your bootstraps" with. That's not how it works...and the liability of pushing a player to the brink would be inexcusable.

I know from personal experiences. It does more harm than good when someone realizes nobody really understands what they are going through to hear advice like "suck it up". When someone else just listens and can show some understanding and support...it helps a lot more. From my perspective I think the coach has shown that type of support.

DD seemed to give it all he could and perhaps even more than he thought he could. I can only imagine what a fully healthy (mentally and physically) DD might be able to do given he was already a big plus for us. These are good kids who need to remember there will be life after BB and not to risk pushing things too far for BB sake. And certainly not for impatient fans.
 
Add in that there are natural anxiety periods that occur in life.

You find that a lot of people experience anxiety and panic disorders during transitional periods from adolescent to now young adult (18-22) and then later in their 30’s and 40’s.

Speaking from personal experience, I was 19. Work was extremely slow so I had multiple off days. I lived alone in my apartment and started getting this overwhelming bout of panic . It last a week. I lost 10 pounds and didn’t sleep for 5 straight days, which on day 3 included a hospital trip and anti histamine injection to help me sleep. It didn’t work. I was at the edge and the down time made it worse.

And if I had to guess it’s the downtime that’s killing DJD. You can’t get out of your own head if your constantly living in it with nothing to do, idle mind is anxiety’s playground.

Thankfully that experience taught me how to cope with anxiety.

Also I smoked some weed and it broke me out of the rut becayse it made me eat and sleep.

I have dealt with major depression for the last 25 years. It's cyclical so sometimes it's better and worse. I didn't even know I had it for the first 10 years or so. I just thought I was lazy. I bounced around jobs as an outside sales rep and I didn't have the motivation to stay disciplined working from home. I finally went in to talk to a professional about it and got an inside office sales job along with medication and therapy.

That is what I needed. Some social interaction with the therapy and medication. I don't think I held a job for more than 1.5 years until I was about 32 or 33. Then I found the right situation and worked for 10 years at the same company and was awarded employee of the year to boot. Something I never expected I would get.

I now have a step son and had my first child at the age of 48. I didn't feel confident enough in the past to risk having children. But understanding my own limitations and the triggers that lead to deeper levels of depression I can avoid them now for the most part. It's always with me...but I can manage the severity. These kids don't know yet what lead to it or how to manage it but it's good they noticed it sooner than I did.
 
As a pediatrician in my last year of residency I have seen more cases of mental health issues in the 16-21 range than I have seen in my previous 2 years combined. So I assure you its not just the UC players, it's a lot of kids who are going through something and some are better at dealing with it than others. Its not about quitting on your team, its about getting your head right. Mental health can really be a pain because some times your own worst enemy is your own brain and it will play tricks on you and then you start to spiral down a path where you feel like you cant escape. With that said I urge you all and just take a step back and realize its not always them quitting.
 
Yep. Mental health affects the physical body as well.

Not addressing it can have serious ramifications.

2-3 years ago my wife And I experienced a pretty traumatic experience that last multiple months and didn’t end well, the stress after lead me to developing a condition where I lost Vision in a large spot in my left eye. It’s Main trigger is stress & a little too much caffeine. But it was real. It was physical. It showed up on my eye scan.

Addressing these things should be treated like you would a physical ailment. Maybe one day mental health issues will be looked at just the same As turning your ankle. For now it’s still a stigma
 
Yep. Mental health affects the physical body as well.

Not addressing it can have serious ramifications.

2-3 years ago my wife And I experienced a pretty traumatic experience that last multiple months and didn’t end well, the stress after lead me to developing a condition where I lost Vision in a large spot in my left eye. It’s Main trigger is stress & a little too much caffeine. But it was real. It was physical. It showed up on my eye scan.

Addressing these things should be treated like you would a physical ailment. Maybe one day mental health issues will be looked at just the same As turning your ankle. For now it’s still a stigma

Did you sight come back after you lowered your stress and caffeine levels?
 
Did you sight come back after you lowered your stress and caffeine levels?

Yea it’s back now. And fine. It lasted about 9 months then one day magically disappeared.

I learned to live it. It was technically fluid in my eye. So if I read text with that one bad eye, it would almost make the text curve like I was reading through a glass of water.
 
As a pediatrician in my last year of residency I have seen more cases of mental health issues in the 16-21 range than I have seen in my previous 2 years combined. So I assure you its not just the UC players, it's a lot of kids who are going through something and some are better at dealing with it than others. Its not about quitting on your team, its about getting your head right. Mental health can really be a pain because some times your own worst enemy is your own brain and it will play tricks on you and then you start to spiral down a path where you feel like you cant escape. With that said I urge you all and just take a step back and realize its not always them quitting.

Props to CJB and the Admin for supporting these
kids. I’m sure it’s not easy in this win or find
someone else business.
Also, best wishes for Gabe & DDJ in reconciling
their issues. If things work out, we’d love to see
you back at the ‘Nati !
 
Maybe brannen is the opposite of a monster and maybe cares more about his players than winning games. Maybe he encourages them to step away if they are having issues.
 
Smu Thursday cancelled.. guess legend isn't going to the game after all.

That sucks for legend. Maybe legend can stare at himself in the mirror flex a little to make legend feel better.

I can’t help but read in your post in Elmo’s voice because he also speaks in the 3rd person
 
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