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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/paul_daugherty/09/22/mick.cronin/index.html


You'd have to be a fool, Mick Cronin thought.

More than four years ago, Cronin crossed the Ohio River on a bridge into Kentucky. The city of Cincinnati was in his rearview mirror. Fitting, Cronin thought. "Whoever takes that job is going to be screwed," he said.

Funny how things work out. That day, Cronin was headed back to Murray, Ky., as coach of the Murray State Racers, a team he led to the NCAA tournament in two of his three years at the helm. In less than a month, Cronin would be getting, well, screwed.

"The normal guy walks in and he has players on his team," Cronin said.

He came home to bail out the University of Cincinnati's sinking basketball program. Cronin grew up in Cincinnati, went to UC and coached under Bob Huggins. This was his dream job. Some dream.

Cronin inherited the biggest mess in big-time Division I basketball. He has cleaned it up to a degree; all but one of his players has graduated and the program is off academic probation. "The faculty and alumni are proud of the fact we don't have a negative image," Cronin said.

Cronin likes to point out that Cincinnati is one of just five schools whose win totals have increased every year in the last four years. The numbers at UC are 11, 13, 18 and 19.

But the Bearcats have whiffed on the NCAA tournament. A fan base accustomed to Huggins' winning and charisma has never warmed to Cronin. More to the point, Cronin's teams don't sell tickets. The Bearcats averaged fewer than 8,000 paying customers last winter -- in a building that holds 13,176.

Mick Cronin isn't household, but his situation is. College coaches come with the shelf life of a bunch of bananas. What will you do for me tomorrow, and can I get that today?

Cronin serves two masters: Win and Win Properly. It's a heck of a line to draw in the quasi-amateur dust.

The financial stress on athletic departments makes athletic directors and school presidents do strange things, such as applaud the BCS and move the Michigan-Ohio State football game to October. How long does a coach get now? What's the tipping point? Cronin has shocked the patient back to life. It's not quite healthy. How much more time should he get?

It's not exactly a test case. But it's close. Cronin is Tom Crean at Indiana, without the Final Four resume. He was Crean before Crean. "There is so much talk in our business about doing things the right way, representing the university properly, all that," he said. "Look at the Sweet 16 the last few years. Look at the longevity of the coaches. There's continuity. Find the right guy and support him."

Cronin says he is the right guy. He says four years is barely a beginning. "I'm a different case because of what I walked into," he said. "First two years, I had no chance." His original deal was for six years -- "I wouldn't have taken the job for anything less than that," he said. -- and before the start of last season, it was extended two years, through 2014.

"I've tried to preach the message that it's a long-term process and I'm going to be here for the long-term," he said. "Nobody wants to hear the truth. When I got here, I couldn't bring in a guy who could help us right away, if he might go off the [academic] deep end."

The university has been understanding and remarkably patient. But four years is forever in college basketball. And big bills need paying. Basketball is no longer the athletic rainmaker at UC. That matters when a school's football aspirations are soaring, right along with the costs of running the program. Cincinnati has already built an indoor practice facility. Next on the want list is a large, and difficult, expansion of century-old Nippert Stadium. Picture adding a deck to Wrigley Field.

All of it requires lots of money. Cronin's teams aren't producing enough of it. He has had four years to rebuild the jigsaw puzzle, piece by piece. He believes he has done well. "I'm proud of what we've done to stabilize the program," Cronin said.

UC could do the loyal and good thing and allow Mick Cronin to try to finish what he started. He says he likes his team this year, even as its two top scorers -- Deonta Vaughn and Lance Stephenson -- have left the building. Or, it could do the typically quasi-amateur athletic thing: If the Bearcats miss the Madness again, write Cronin a check, thank him for his services and return him to the world of assistant coaching.

It's an impossible dilemma. It's getting more impossible all the time.

It is a weird livelihood that hangs on the performances of 18-year-olds with girlfriend problems. And street-agent problems and over-engaged booster problems and problems with administrators who want you to win games while filling the gym and graduating future captains of industry.

Doing things the right way is nice, but, generally, only when it doesn't interfere with making money. Will Cincinnati do the right thing by Cronin? Is that the same as doing right by the program? Welcome to the world of quasi-amateur sports.
 
I have long said that most people dont understand or appreciate the situation Mick inherited. Tom Crean said last season that instead of people being critical of Mick they should support him. As fans we are selfish. We want our teams to win and win now. As ticket holders and financial supporters that's our right. Even when it isn't realistic.

I believe the future is now for this program. There was a missed opportunity last season, in large part due to player selfishness. All of it wasn't Mick's fault but it is his responsibility. Win or lose, stay or go, this program is in better shape than the day Mick took over. He has laid a new foundation, restored an image and made the team competitive. For all the criticism he deserves our respect and support for that.
 
I have long said that most people dont understand or appreciate the situation Mick inherited. Tom Crean said last season that instead of people being critical of Mick they should support him. As fans we are selfish. We want our teams to win and win now. As ticket holders and financial supporters that's our right. Even when it isn't realistic.

I believe the future is now for this program. There was a missed opportunity last season, in large part due to player selfishness. All of it wasn't Mick's fault but it is his responsibility. Win or lose, stay or go, this program is in better shape than the day Mick took over. He has laid a new foundation, restored an image and made the team competitive. For all the criticism he deserves our respect and support for that.

Jeff its not about understanding the situation Mick inherited, whether or not you have the elite players its pretty easy to tell which guys can coach up a team and which guys cannot. Mick's players haven't developed and his teams are still making the same mistakes year after year. Honestly his best coaching job was year 1 and 2. The 4 year guys have made no development, and to top it all off...he doesn't take credibility for the mistakes. I really, really, want Mick to prove me wrong; but I don't see it happening.
 
Jeff its not about understanding the situation Mick inherited, whether or not you have the elite players its pretty easy to tell which guys can coach up a team and which guys cannot. Mick's players haven't developed and his teams are still making the same mistakes year after year. Honestly his best coaching job was year 1 and 2. The 4 year guys have made no development, and to top it all off...he doesn't take credibility for the mistakes. I really, really, want Mick to prove me wrong; but I don't see it happening.

Understanding the situation Mick inherited is paramount when engaging in a intelligent debate about whether Mick is the right coach to lead UC into the future. His first 2 recruiting classses were simply to field a team. He could not take chances on guys who were academic risks due to the APR, despite the fact that they could have helped the product on the court. In spite of this, they were in the conversation for an NCAA bid by years 3 and 4. To says its easy to figure out who can coach up guys up and who can't is laughable, in my opinion. Players have a ceiling, and once that is reached there is little that a coach can do. Great coaches are made by great players. Bill Belichek was a failure in Cleveland and is a Hall of Fame coach in New England. If you don't think this has to do with the players at his disposal, then you are fooling yourself. Cronin first true recruiting class, where he could sell UC, was this years junior class. Most players show the greatest improvement in their junior and senior years, thus I see Gates and Dixon having big years. The product on the court will be significantly better this year than in previous years, and if Mick is allowed to stay and finish what he started, UC and us fans will reap the benefits.
 
The first 2 yrs. Mick and the team won in spite of a serious talent gap. He did a very good coaching job but he had something that was missing the past two years. He had a floor and locker room leader in Warren. Players have to hold other players accountable. It's an ingredient that every winning program has and maintains. It's a vital part of it.
 
Understanding the situation Mick inherited is paramount when engaging in a intelligent debate about whether Mick is the right coach to lead UC into the future. His first 2 recruiting classses were simply to field a team. He could not take chances on guys who were academic risks due to the APR, despite the fact that they could have helped the product on the court. In spite of this, they were in the conversation for an NCAA bid by years 3 and 4. To says its easy to figure out who can coach up guys up and who can't is laughable, in my opinion. Players have a ceiling, and once that is reached there is little that a coach can do. Great coaches are made by great players. Bill Belichek was a failure in Cleveland and is a Hall of Fame coach in New England. If you don't think this has to do with the players at his disposal, then you are fooling yourself. Cronin first true recruiting class, where he could sell UC, was this years junior class. Most players show the greatest improvement in their junior and senior years, thus I see Gates and Dixon having big years. The product on the court will be significantly better this year than in previous years, and if Mick is allowed to stay and finish what he started, UC and us fans will reap the benefits.

You can see if a coach has the "it" factor. He will demand respect from his players. They will listen to him and try to make the adjustments. The players will play 100% for the coach. None of these things occurred. Its not about the caliber of players, they could have had an identical record the past 4 years, and I would have been much happier if I noticed improvement, and if they played fundamentally sound basketball and were a disciplined team. Again, none of these things occurred.

In fact wasn't the 2007 recruiting class rated in the top 25? If you think they have reached their ceilings I give you Wilks who still cannot dribble, Davis still can't move his feet on defense, Bishop who still makes boneheaded plays and McClain who still cannot get off the bench. Any average Divison I coach would have gotten at least 2 of these guys to be serviceable (Bishop was serviceable as a frosh and still is the same player) . I remember when the 07 class came in people said, "well this is Mick's first real class and it is the top 25" and after that class flopped, it was "well 08 was the first actual class" and what is it next? "Lance was the first one of Mick's guys?"

The coaching just hasn't been there, it can only be the players faults for so long.
 
You can see if a coach has the "it" factor. He will demand respect from his players. They will listen to him and try to make the adjustments. The players will play 100% for the coach. None of these things occurred. Its not about the caliber of players, they could have had an identical record the past 4 years, and I would have been much happier if I noticed improvement, and if they played fundamentally sound basketball and were a disciplined team. Again, none of these things occurred.

In fact wasn't the 2007 recruiting class rated in the top 25? If you think they have reached their ceilings I give you Wilks who still cannot dribble, Davis still can't move his feet on defense, Bishop who still makes boneheaded plays and McClain who still cannot get off the bench. Any average Divison I coach would have gotten at least 2 of these guys to be serviceable (Bishop was serviceable as a frosh and still is the same player) . I remember when the 07 class came in people said, "well this is Mick's first real class and it is the top 25" and after that class flopped, it was "well 08 was the first actual class" and what is it next? "Lance was the first one of Mick's guys?"

The coaching just hasn't been there, it can only be the players faults for so long.

How do you know none of these things occurred? You don't think Cronin demand respect? Do you know the players personally to say they don't respect him? I'm sure the coaching staff tries to make adjustment during the game. If the players don't execute, is it because they didn't listen, or do they just not respect the staff? Can you tell by watching them that they are just not giving 100%? If so are they giving 95% or 75% or 50%?
I watch the same games that you do. I don't miss a game and I haven't seen any of the things that you have noticed. The fact that the results are not what we wan't doesn't mean that your assumptions are correct.
 
The first 2 yrs. Mick and the team won in spite of a serious talent gap. He did a very good coaching job but he had something that was missing the past two years. He had a floor and locker room leader in Warren. Players have to hold other players accountable. It's an ingredient that every winning program has and maintains. It's a vital part of it.

Good point. Which player do you think will hold the others accountable on this team?
 
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Good point. Which player do you think will hold the others accountable on this team?

I see one of three players being the leader on the team this year.

Cash - PG who has been in the system 3 years though only a RS Soph. He has the ability to be the best player on the floor for this team and there is no doubt he is a hard worker considering he has had to rehab through major knee surgery and you could see him get more comfortable as the year went on. PGs are typically leaders on the court so this could be a natural fit.

Dixon - He may not start for this team but he will play an important role. He has gone through the most on court adversity (Big East Tourney against WVU) and by all accounts has not only worked through those but has overcome them. Having seen him play in Canada via the internet feed, he looked very smooth and wanted the ball in his hands. He has been in the gym as much as anyone on the team this offseason and Mick has noticed his improvements as well.

Gates - I am going to catch a lot of grief for this but hear me out before you judge. Which player on the team has the ability to take over a game on offense or defense every time he is on the floor? The answer is Yancy Gates. He has the physical make up of an NBA power forward and when you see him this season, you will understand how true this is. He has worked extremely hard this offseason to get into better shape and spent a lot of time running on sand dunes and becoming more lean. It is very noticable. Yancy's biggest problem has always been his effort. He didn't always play with urgency. If that changes this year, and I have a feeling it will, Yancy can be a dominating player. He can be the man on this team. Mick commented that for the first time he has not had to coach Yancy on effort but has been able to focus on teaching him more offensive moves and the finer points of the game. This could be Yancy's "Ah Ha!" moment. Look, I am not going to bet my house on it or anything like that, but don't be surprised either. That's all I'm saying.

As for NTS' comment about Mick not developing his players, you have to also hold the players responsible too. I am not giving Mick a pass but I don't think this is a black and white thing. It is a whole lot of gray. There really hasn't been a year where the team could prepare for the season without something drastic happening. In year one, you had the Hernol Hall eligibility issue in which the NCAA dropped the ball and should have had that ruling months earlier. 2007 Mike Williams blows out his achilles and is never the same player again. 2008 Cash goes down with his torn ACL. 2009 Lance signs late and never really meshes with the team plus you have Cash still trying to fully come back from a knee injury in which you are not back to your pre injury form until year 2. Throw in Biggie being consistently hurt with his foot issues and it's not like this team didn't have some injury issues to deal with. This is the first year (knock on wood) in which the entire team is healthy. Naturally we are still waiting on the pricks in the NCAA Compliance office to decide Justin Jackson's eligibility for this year so who knows, maybe we won't have a full team again. Throw in Cash's arthroscopic surgery on his knee this offseason, and it still isn't an offseason without issues but at least this year, things seem to be working out in our favor a bit.

My point is that we can't turn a blind eye either way. We can't just defend Mick blindly and not expect to win but you can't just bash him for not winning yet either. There has NEVER been a case like the one Mick stepped into in the recent history of college basketball. The closest thing is what Crean stepped into and he came AFTER Mick. This team, and Mick, deserves every fans unwavering support. It doesn't mean that you have to be satisfied with the progress yet or even not be critical of it. What it means is that you should go to the games if you are in town and able and be loud and supportive when you are there. You should root for the team to succeed, not fail (and yes, there are plenty of "fans" rooting for Mick to fail for some unknown reason). The team has shown improvement under Mick, and while that may not be fast enough for some, too bad. This isn't CUSA anymore and progress is going to be slow. If this team starts to regress under Mick, then it is time for a change. I personally don't think that is going to happen. I think Mick will succeed and I am rooting for it. Positive energy is better than negative. Unfortunately, the negative people always seem to be the most vocal.
 
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You can see if a coach has the "it" factor. He will demand respect from his players. They will listen to him and try to make the adjustments. The players will play 100% for the coach. None of these things occurred. Its not about the caliber of players, they could have had an identical record the past 4 years, and I would have been much happier if I noticed improvement, and if they played fundamentally sound basketball and were a disciplined team. Again, none of these things occurred.

In fact wasn't the 2007 recruiting class rated in the top 25? If you think they have reached their ceilings I give you Wilks who still cannot dribble, Davis still can't move his feet on defense, Bishop who still makes boneheaded plays and McClain who still cannot get off the bench. Any average Divison I coach would have gotten at least 2 of these guys to be serviceable (Bishop was serviceable as a frosh and still is the same player) . I remember when the 07 class came in people said, "well this is Mick's first real class and it is the top 25" and after that class flopped, it was "well 08 was the first actual class" and what is it next? "Lance was the first one of Mick's guys?"

The coaching just hasn't been there, it can only be the players faults for so long.

There is some validity to what you say but it isn't all entirely true. Most coaches recruit a certain type of player. A player with a skill set that fits their style of play or that has certain attributes. That luxury was taken away from Mick Cronin. He had to recruit players to have a team. He also had to recruit 4 year players for two reasons. 1) he had to establish some continuity. 2) Big name players weren't coming here in the aftermath of Zimpher v. Huggins. That bomb left a crater and cloud over this program and deepened the negative image in the short term. Even with Lance Stephenson he had to take a chance on a player most had backed off of.

As far as a top 25 class. I try to tell people all the time not to get caught up in stars and numbers. But they can't help it. There are so many things that go into a player getting rated. How often is he seen? What kind of players play with him? Did he have a solid or bad evaluation period? There are too many players to adequately evaluate them all. I have said this before and will stand by it. Once you get beyond the top 10-25 players in a given year, it is a toss up. A lot of players get ranked on perceived potential at the next level. Some get recruited to schools that run schemes that don't fit their skill set. Some don't put the work in to get better. You see it every year. A player not highly rated steps up and becomes very good. And players that were rated highly for one reason or another never live up to the hype. It is great to discuss and follow. I love college BB recruiting. But there is a reason one person rates player A 50th and another rates him 95th.

I grow really tired of the Vaughn regressed debate when it simply is not true. Vaughn was what he was his entire career and if people would research instead of complain they'd see I'm right. His numbers were fairly consistent every year. 2006-07, 33 mpg, 14.5 ppg, .373 fg%, .292 3p%. 2007-08, 33 mpg, 17 ppg, .436 fg%, .398 3p%. 2008-09, 35 mpg, 15.3 ppg, .388 fg%, .338 3p%. 2009-10, 30 mpg, 11.7 ppg, .378 fg%, .338 3p%. He never had a year shooting over 40% from three and his overall shooting percentage was always close to the same. The varibles were miuntes played his senior year and the amount of shots he took. He was always streaky and disappeared at times. Same Vaughn all four years. He was what he was and his basketball iq was below average. I appreciate all he did to help rebuild the program but the perspection some have of him is out of whack.
 
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I really tired of all the excuses.

I'm also tired of hearing just how tough Cronin has had it. Stop whining, you took the job, now do the job or bye bye.

It's been a long time now. We've faltered down the stretch under Cronin's watch every year. We haven't improved our standing in the Big East 1 bit. We can finally be pretty sure we will beat little sister's of the poor southern state university for toddlers however which wasn't a given when he took over, so there is that.
 
I'm not going to call it whining... But I have NEVER seen a coach publicly make more excuses than Mick Cronin.

Nobody cares about how impossible the job supposedly was. It's time to prove you can develop talent and get a team to mesh together. It's nothing personal man.
 
What you call excuses some might call facts. I think he is just trying to get average fans to be patient and understand. Cincy sports fans are notoriously fickle and wagon jumpers.

I get why some tire of hearing it. I am very dispointed by the late season swoons myself and was one that thought change might be good after last season. But it had nothing to do with coaching or player development.

I think his X and O's are fine and the players own most of the development issues. I wanted to see him hold the team more accountable and bring it together.

I thought he turned the corner in those areas in the BEast tournament and am willing to support him this season and see if he truly did.
 
What you call excuses some might call facts. I think he is just trying to get average fans to be patient and understand. Cincy sports fans are notoriously fickle and wagon jumpers.

I get why some tire of hearing it. I am very dispointed by the late season swoons myself and was one that thought change might be good after last season. But it had nothing to do with coaching or player development.

I think his X and O's are fine and the players own most of the development issues. I wanted to see him hold the team more accountable and bring it together.

I thought he turned the corner in those areas in the BEast tournament and am willing to support him this season and see if he truly did.

When you repeatedly bring up how hard your job is...for 5 years straight...no matter if there are facts there or not, it's whining.

It's a terrible article and one we've read a million times, year after year. Enough is enough. Write another article after we make a deep run into the NCAA tourney showing the progress, but until then zip it. Because they can't show progress in wins that matter and ncaa tourney births, they keep talking about how bad it was. It's like "If you think it's bad now, just remember this". Very old and stale. Lazy "journalism" and if I was Mick I would stop contributing to these articles with quotes.
 
The thing I love about Mick Cronin is that he won't bullshit you. He says exactly what he feels. Whether it is whining or not he doesn't give you any coach speak. When your not winning it isn't always what you want to hear.
 
When you repeatedly bring up how hard your job is...for 5 years straight...no matter if there are facts there or not, it's whining.

It's a terrible article and one we've read a million times, year after year. Enough is enough. Write another article after we make a deep run into the NCAA tourney showing the progress, but until then zip it. Because they can't show progress in wins that matter and ncaa tourney births, they keep talking about how bad it was. It's like "If you think it's bad now, just remember this". Very old and stale. Lazy "journalism" and if I was Mick I would stop contributing to these articles with quotes.

If that was lazy journalism, then your post is a lazy post.
 
Alright, I'll quit being negative about this article...

Can't wait till they get on the floor and we can see instead of speculate.
 
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