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[TheLongHaul]

Great gut-check victory tonight. Way to come back Cats!

I have to mention it. Incredible "negativity" toward Shaq in this thread. He came up huge when it counted and was big in this victory. Even LD singled him out in the post game. Amazing how those who were bashing him credited everyone but him in their remarks after the win. That is really weak in my opinion.

Shaq made a couple huge prayer shots, I'll give him that. And no offense to him as a person because he seems like a great kid, but I still don't think he is very good nor do I think he had a very good game last night. Just my opinion.

 

[waterhead]

Since conference play has started we have shot FT's at 73% and three pointers at 36%.

Before conference play we had 6 games at 20% or below in 3 pt shooting and since then we have had 1 (ECU).

Early on there were SOOOO many fans saying how horrible this team was at shooting and they couldn't understand the concept of shooting being a confidence issue rather than an ability issue. You could point to the fact that they shot half of their games under 20% and half of them over 36% but the pessimists latched onto the bad games and decided it was going to be the rule. There were some players "who shouldn't be allowed to play D1 BB" or "should never come off the bench"...who are now contributing very positively to this team...hell...even starting.


Now...turnovers is another story IMO that is THE remaining key to this team finishing this year on a great note. We gotta stay below 15 TO's even against the best D's.

Just to put these numbers in perspective. The FT shooting would put us (if it were a full year stat) around 40th in the country and since 1996 there has only been one year a Bearcat team has shot better than 36.22% on the season from three(for those who like to compare Cronin and Huggins eras).

 

[cincrulz11]

How do you figure? Nearly all of Cobb's stats are better in less minutes.

I figure that because between the first smu game and the 2nd uconn game Cobb shot 32% from the floor and 30% from 3 and had 10 turnovers.

Over the same group of games KJ shot 40% from the floor and 41% from 3 and had 8 turnovers.

 

[waterhead]

How do you figure? Nearly all of Cobb's stats are better in less minutes.

I think he means from the start of 2015. I think KJ was playing a little better up until the last game or two during conference play. Add in the hounding D and there was a reason he was seeing more playing time.

I happen to think we should ride the hot hand at the 2 from here on out on a game by game basis because these two can be a little streaky. I don't care who starts but if one of them gets hot shooting keep them in.

 

[TheLongHaul]

I figure that because between the first smu game and the 2nd uconn game Cobb shot 32% from the floor and 30% from 3 and had 10 turnovers.

Over the same group of games KJ shot 40% from the floor and 41% from 3 and had 8 turnovers.

That's a very selective set of games. Not sure why you wouldn't include the ECU game since we were talking about last nights game. Either way, for the whole season so far Cobb has better numbers as he does for 2015 beginning with the SMU game.

I think he means from the start of 2015. I think KJ was playing a little better up until the last game or two during conference play. Add in the hounding D and there was a reason he was seeing more playing time.

I happen to think we should ride the hot hand at the 2 from here on out on a game by game basis because these two can be a little streaky. I don't care who starts but if one of them gets hot shooting keep them in.

Cobb has better numbers from the start of 2015. I now realize he was saying minus last nights game AND minus the ECU game.

To me Cobb has shown he is the better player. He creates way more than KJ, shoots it at a much better percentage and doesn't have as many of the mind boggling turnovers. Add to that this is his first year in the program and how slow JUCO's typically develop and I think that he can be very good for UC if he is giving him PT. I've been clamoring for him to start all season, which he finally did against ECU and look what it did.

 

[TheRealUC]

Not sure if it was touched on earlier but was there a minor altercation between Larry Brown and Caupain at the end of the game? Looked like Troy went to hug him and instead got scolded.

 

[cincrulz11]

That's a very selective set of games. Not sure why you wouldn't include the ECU game since we were talking about last nights game. Either way, for the whole season so far Cobb has better numbers as he does for 2015 beginning with the SMU game.

It's the set of games where Cobb saw his PT go down and KJ's went up. Cobb got 27 minutes vs ECU. The original statement was Cobb deserved more of KJ's minutes and the truth is he gets them when he's playing well. For the entire season KJ has only played 4 more minutes than Cobb, or about 11 seconds more per game.


Cobb averaged 26.5 minutes a game when he was playing well through a stretch in December, it dropped to 18 minutes a game in the sample i quoted earlier, and is up to 25 minutes a game the last 2 games. I don't really see the problem with the minute distribution between the 2.

 

[#BearcatNation]

I think he means from the start of 2015. I think KJ was playing a little better up until the last game or two during conference play. Add in the hounding D and there was a reason he was seeing more playing time.

I happen to think we should ride the hot hand at the 2 from here on out on a game by game basis because these two can be a little streaky. I don't care who starts but if one of them gets hot shooting keep them in.

This. I don't really have a preference between the two, because I think both have shown flashes of brilliance, but have also looked abysmal at times. Keep the minutes around even in the first half, then give whoever's hotter more minutes in the 2nd half.

 

[BCM]

Not sure if it was touched on earlier but was there a minor altercation between Larry Brown and Caupain at the end of the game? Looked like Troy went to hug him and instead got scolded.

Haha so he's THAT kind of dad

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Shaq made a couple huge prayer shots, I'll give him that. And no offense to him as a person because he seems like a great kid, but I still don't think he is very good nor do I think he had a very good game last night. Just my opinion.

I agree.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

It's the set of games where Cobb saw his PT go down and KJ's went up. Cobb got 27 minutes vs ECU. The original statement was Cobb deserved more of KJ's minutes and the truth is he gets them when he's playing well. For the entire season KJ has only played 4 more minutes than Cobb, or about 11 seconds more per game.


Cobb averaged 26.5 minutes a game when he was playing well through a stretch in December, it dropped to 18 minutes a game in the sample i quoted earlier, and is up to 25 minutes a game the last 2 games. I don't really see the problem with the minute distribution between the 2.

I agree.

 

[TheLongHaul]

It's the set of games where Cobb saw his PT go down and KJ's went up. Cobb got 27 minutes vs ECU. The original statement was Cobb deserved more of KJ's minutes and the truth is he gets them when he's playing well. For the entire season KJ has only played 4 more minutes than Cobb, or about 11 seconds more per game.


Cobb averaged 26.5 minutes a game when he was playing well through a stretch in December, it dropped to 18 minutes a game in the sample i quoted earlier, and is up to 25 minutes a game the last 2 games. I don't really see the problem with the minute distribution between the 2.

To each their own. I'd prefer a wider discrepancy between Cobb's and KJ's minutes. I just think Cobb is the better player right now and for a team that struggles so mightily on the offensive side of the ball, Cobb gives you more.

I also don't think you can just go with the hot hand because you really don't know who is going to be hot in the 1st half. Perhaps you can in the second half. When Cobb gets going he is a very dangerous player and I don't think there is anyone else on the team that we can say that about.

 

[nkywestside]

I figure that because between the first smu game and the 2nd uconn game Cobb shot 32% from the floor and 30% from 3 and had 10 turnovers.

Over the same group of games KJ shot 40% from the floor and 41% from 3 and had 8 turnovers.

KJ's last 3 games as our starting 2 guard:

74 minutes
3-16 Field Goals
2 Rebounds

How does a coach continue to think this is acceptable? I'm tickled to death at this Win, but the production from this starting spot is way beyond abyssmal. If he is playing this many minutes you have to do something other that play decent defense.

 

[nkywestside]

I'd love to know the reasoning as to why Morman doesn't play. Personally, I'd slide Sanders over to the 2 when Cobb goes to the bench and let Morman play his natural 3 spot. It isn't like Sanders has to guard athletic 2 guys. Playing that Matchup - Zone - Man thing is all we do anyway.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

To each their own. I'd prefer a wider discrepancy between Cobb's and KJ's minutes. I just think Cobb is the better player right now and for a team that struggles so mightily on the offensive side of the ball, Cobb gives you more.

I also don't think you can just go with the hot hand because you really don't know who is going to be hot in the 1st half. Perhaps you can in the second half. When Cobb gets going he is a very dangerous player and I don't think there is anyone else on the team that we can say that about.

Let's not forget how much Cobb was struggling for about 6 games up until the last 2.

 

[cincrulz11]

Let's not forget how much Cobb was struggling for about 6 games up until the last 2.

And even the last 2 games where he's shot much better, he's turned it over 8 times. There's also no question who the better defender is (although both pick up a lot of really bad fouls).

 

[cincrulz11]

I'd love to know the reasoning as to why Morman doesn't play.

It's pretty clear to me. Only Shaq and Moore have a worse ORtg and Morman doesn't play within the system enough on defense.

Also when he does play he takes a ton of shots and he's not a great shooter.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I'd love to know the reasoning as to why Morman doesn't play. Personally, I'd slide Sanders over to the 2 when Cobb goes to the bench and let Morman play his natural 3 spot. It isn't like Sanders has to guard athletic 2 guys. Playing that Matchup - Zone - Man thing is all we do anyway.

I'd like Morman more if he could play at the bottom of the zone. But we can't have that. Caupain, Cobb and KJ are gonna get the 1 and 2 minutes when we aren't in foul trouble. KJ struggles on the road, but he's still a young player. I think he'll have a great game on Saturday.

 

[nparker1]

Has anyone seen any links for the post game press videos?

 

[TheLongHaul]

Let's not forget how much Cobb was struggling for about 6 games up until the last 2.

I'm not saying Cobb is the next Jordan, but I think he is better than KJ at this point. And again, probably the most important point is that this UC team really struggles to score and Cobb provides a much better threat IMO than KJ. Cobb needs to cut down his turnovers as well for sure. Though he has also been running backup PG duties which isn't his natural position and has caused some of the turnovers.