@South Florida

[WAITE HOYT 2]

actually no we aren't. nobody has said start cane but still split their minutes. they said start cane so he can play more minutes. thats why what you're saying doesn't make sense as a response to what they are saying.


the entire point of the start cane crowd was that if cane is needed for 35 minutes in a game, its very hard to get it without starting.

Coach is not splitting minutes. He is using each player according to need and how the game is going.

 

[ervins84]

And now we're back to the Coach knows more, so just defer. No shit he knows more than anyone here. If we're all going to default to that in a discussion, what is the point in even being here?


Basketball isn't rocket science. You play as many guys as possible without hurting your winning chances and preparing for March. Obviously with only two losses, it hasn't really cost us much. My concern, and most fans concerns, is against the best competition, Cane is going to have to play more. Hopefully he does that. We'll see though. He also isn't getting as many reps as most of us would've liked with the other starters because if that's going to be our crunch time lineup, I'd like that 5 man unit to play more together.


Usually want your best players on the floor as much as possible. Not starting him, really limits that.

And I'll say it to Mick's face, and it doesn't make me a whiny, bad fan.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

And now we're back to the Coach knows more, so just defer. No shit he knows more than anyone here. If we're all going to default to that in a discussion, what is the point in even being here?


Basketball isn't rocket science. You play as many guys as possible without hurting your winning chances and preparing for March. Obviously with only two losses, it hasn't really cost us much. My concern, and most fans concerns, is against the best competition, Cane is going to have to play more. Hopefully he does that. We'll see though. He also isn't getting as many reps as most of us would've liked with the other starters because if that's going to be our crunch time lineup, I'd like that 5 man unit to play more together.


Usually want your best players on the floor as much as possible. Not starting him, really limits that.

And I'll say it to Mick's face, and it doesn't make me a whiny, bad fan.

certainly everyone is entitled to their opinion. Mine is that not starting him does not do that. Against X he played 10 more minutes. Mick can sub him at anytime he feels the need according to who's strengths are needed and what may be needed at that time depending on game situation. His minutes are limited or increased by the needs of the team. Each game is different. I think Mick likes to have him to change pace and give some instant offense off the bench. Also JJ has not been chopped liver either.

 

[justinhub2003]

And now we're back to the Coach knows more, so just defer. No shit he knows more than anyone here. If we're all going to default to that in a discussion, what is the point in even being here?


Basketball isn't rocket science. You play as many guys as possible without hurting your winning chances and preparing for March. Obviously with only two losses, it hasn't really cost us much. My concern, and most fans concerns, is against the best competition, Cane is going to have to play more. Hopefully he does that. We'll see though. He also isn't getting as many reps as most of us would've liked with the other starters because if that's going to be our crunch time lineup, I'd like that 5 man unit to play more together.


Usually want your best players on the floor as much as possible. Not starting him, really limits that.

And I'll say it to Mick's face, and it doesn't make me a whiny, bad fan.

What has mick done in big games?
Against Xavier: 27 min for cane, 17 for JJ
Against Florida: 28 min for cane, 23 for JJ

Mick knows who is best player is

 

[Defense first]

What has mick done in big games?
Against Xavier: 27 min for cane, 17 for JJ
Against Florida: 28 min for cane, 23 for JJ

Mick knows who is best player is

There is no way jj can come off bench. He doesn't add the scoring punch we need to be elite. If there are 4 guys on floor who can score, it's not absolutely necessary to have a fifth, however you need someone to be a spark off bench. Most of our bench players can defend. No doubt cane is better at offense and creating shots for others. Putting cane in starting lineup would only happen if Williams or Moore was averaging more points. However if team needs more scoring, cane should play more. I do agree that he needs more time with starters, but other than one or two games we have had plenty of options on the floor to score, almost no option off bench to score though.

 

[waterhead]

we were +20 when cane was in the game. we won by 23. you guys can do the math on that.

What are the odds this is because he got just the right amount of minutes...lol.

 

[cincrulz11]

What has mick done in big games?
Against Xavier: 27 min for cane, 17 for JJ
Against Florida: 28 min for cane, 23 for JJ

Mick knows who is best player is

Xavier - L

Florida - L


as people keep on saying. hard to get 30-35 when you dont start. there might be games when you need him for 30+. there might be games where we need him for 38. but thats just never going to happen.


and maybe in the end it doesn't make a difference anyway, but its hard to go down in these games without your best players out there for as many minutes as possible.

 

[waterhead]

There is no way jj can come off bench. He doesn't add the scoring punch we need to be elite. If there are 4 guys on floor who can score, it's not absolutely necessary to have a fifth, however you need someone to be a spark off bench. Most of our bench players can defend. No doubt cane is better at offense and creating shots for others. Putting cane in starting lineup would only happen if Williams or Moore was averaging more points. However if team needs more scoring, cane should play more. I do agree that he needs more time with starters, but other than one or two games we have had plenty of options on the floor to score, almost no option off bench to score though.

I don't get all this off the bench talk. There is a reason we have the other 4 guys starting. Each of them in the past have probably gone 35+ minutes if not 37.

If we could play Cane 35 minutes with the other starters...who cares who's scoring from the bench the other 5 minutes? You don't have to put all of the bench in at the same time anyway. You can sub them one at a time if you want.

 

[juckerrules]

Bottom line:
Cane = more points, rebounds, assists, steals, fouls & turnovers
Do the fouls & turnovers negate some of the points & assists? Certainly! Do the increased steals make up for extra turnovers? Uh huh. Hard for me to decide one way or the other - guessvthat’s Why Cronin is coach

 

[justinhub2003]

I don't get all this off the bench talk. There is a reason we have the other 4 guys starting. Each of them in the past have probably gone 35+ minutes if not 37.

If we could play Cane 35 minutes with the other starters...who cares who's scoring from the bench the other 5 minutes? You don't have to put all of the bench in at the same time anyway. You can sub them one at a time if you want.

Dude. We can’t be the 3rd best defense in the country and still have our starters playing 37 minutes a game.

I dunno how many of you guys actually play basketball, but giving the elite effort that mick asks of his players and still having enough in the tank for offense Is really hard.

There is one guy on the team who can do that; Jacob Evans.

The reason our defense is so good is because it comes in waves. Our worst defender off the bench is better then a lot of teams #1 defender.


Again I’m not saying cane shouldn’t start. I’d be happy if he did. But I’m saying that I trust that our coach who lead this team to being top 15 in the country with out a single 5 star recruit and very few top 100 guys, and continues to win. That has garnered some trust with me. And I believe in him. He’s doing what he is doing for a reason.

I just don’t see what the issue is.

 

[justinhub2003]

Haha I love fans.

If we had no bench, we would be complaining that our guys are too tired at the end of games because they are playing 35 minutes a game. But now that we do have a bench people are complaining that we aren’t playing our best guys 35 minutes a game.

No coach in the country wants to play their entire starting 5 35 minutes a game especially with the way mick wants them to play.

 

[Defense first]

Dude. We can’t be the 3rd best defense in the country and still have our starters playing 37 minutes a game.

I dunno how many of you guys actually play basketball, but giving the elite effort that mick asks of his players and still having enough in the tank for offense Is really hard.

There is one guy on the team who can do that; Jacob Evans.

The reason our defense is so good is because it comes in waves. Our worst defender off the bench is better then a lot of teams #1 defender.


Again I’m not saying cane shouldn’t start. I’d be happy if he did. But I’m saying that I trust that our coach who lead this team to being top 15 in the country with out a single 5 star recruit and very few top 100 guys, and continues to win. That has garnered some trust with me. And I believe in him. He’s doing what he is doing for a reason.

I just don’t see what the issue is.

Great post, no matter what some want to believe, you do need production off your bench. In a perfect world we would like our starters to play 40 minutes s game, as was said that is just not possible to retain our defensive pressure. As far as production with less heralded recruits, mick might be the best coach in the nation at this. I trust what he does, even when sometimes I haven't agreed. Very few and far between though. Top fifteen in country, absolutely astonishing defense and progressing, pretty damn good offense. The one thing I have seen from Jennifer that he is better at other than not turning ball over is ball pressure. That dude is a pit bull at hounding the ball handler, even if his steals are not showing this. Let's just keep winning and the other crap will work itself out. But to even think our starters should be playing that many minutes, makes me know that some people on this board doesn't understand basketball, especially basketball at Cincinnati.

 

[waterhead]

Dude. We can’t be the 3rd best defense in the country and still have our starters playing 37 minutes a game.

I dunno how many of you guys actually play basketball, but giving the elite effort that mick asks of his players and still having enough in the tank for offense Is really hard.

There is one guy on the team who can do that; Jacob Evans.

The reason our defense is so good is because it comes in waves. Our worst defender off the bench is better then a lot of teams #1 defender.


Again I’m not saying cane shouldn’t start. I’d be happy if he did. But I’m saying that I trust that our coach who lead this team to being top 15 in the country with out a single 5 star recruit and very few top 100 guys, and continues to win. That has garnered some trust with me. And I believe in him. He’s doing what he is doing for a reason.

I just don’t see what the issue is.

It's a hypothetical. But that's not even the point about getting all of them 37 minutes. It's about why the other 4 are starting. They are the best players at their position. They aren't sitting on the bench because the bench needs scoring.

 

[cincrulz11]

I love when guys take what others say, twist it, and then say they dont understand basketball.


Raise your hand if you think the starters should play 37 minutes every game?


Oh wait nobody. Ok then.

 

[justinhub2003]

It's a hypothetical. But that's not even the point about getting all of them 37 minutes. It's about why the other 4 are starting. They are the best players at their position. They aren't sitting on the bench because the bench needs scoring.

Watch what Jenifers role is when he starts: it’s to literally feed the post. UC tries to establish a post game first in every game. It’s a bad use of canes time to just feed a post player. Why have him doing that when he can be out leading spark off the bench. Teams tend to sub around the same time. When they sub in their low scoring guys, we sub in a guy who can score on anyone and it creates an advantage.


Look at the role of Dwade with the cavs. He is better than jr Smith in almost every way. Yet, his role is to be the best player on the floor when the second team goes in. The cavs aren’t running out the 5 best players. They are creating roles and doing what will be best for in game strategy

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I love when guys take what others say, twist it, and then say they dont understand basketball.


Raise your hand if you think the starters should play 37 minutes every game?


Oh wait nobody. Ok then.

Yeah it's very clear that it's meant to demonstrate what might be needed in a loser goes home.

 

[justinhub2003]

I love when guys take what others say, twist it, and then say they dont understand basketball.


Raise your hand if you think the starters should play 37 minutes every game?


Oh wait nobody. Ok then.

I’m not twisting anything.

You guys are the ones saying that a guy can’t play 30+ minutes in a game unless he starts. Which is just not even close to be true since we generally sub around 16 minute mark every game.

Winning is the measuring stick for a successful game plan.... I think we’re doing that right?

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Watch what Jenifers role is when he starts: it’s to literally feed the post. UC tries to establish a post game first in every game. It’s a bad use of canes time to just feed a post player. Why have him doing that when he can be out leading spark off the bench. Teams tend to sub around the same time. When they sub in their low scoring guys, we sub in a guy who can score on anyone and it creates an advantage.


Look at the role of Dwade with the cavs. He is better than jr Smith in almost every way. Yet, his role is to be the best player on the floor when the second team goes in. The cavs aren’t running out the 5 best players. They are creating roles and doing what will be best for in game strategy

NBA 2nd units are actual 2nd units though. The main point is about the max amount of minutes available if needed. I'm not going to dwell on it all year. Already lost that battle. Coach was saying on the radio too that Jenifer is our point on defense. If he thinks it sets the tone for the #3 defense and he can still go to Broome if needed, ok. And I'll bet in a crucial game that Broome will start the 2nd half if we need some punch.

 

[waterhead]

I’m not twisting anything.

You guys are the ones saying that a guy can’t play 30+ minutes in a game unless he starts. Which is just not even close to be true since we generally sub around 16 minute mark every game.

Winning is the measuring stick for a successful game plan.... I think we’re doing that right?

So we sub @ 4 minutes into each half. Cane is limited to 32 minutes. Our other best players have all played in games when we needed them for at least 36 minutes.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I’m not twisting anything.

You guys are the ones saying that a guy can’t play 30+ minutes in a game unless he starts. Which is just not even close to be true since we generally sub around 16 minute mark every game.

Winning is the measuring stick for a successful game plan.... I think we’re doing that right?

What is Broome's season high in minutes? And he's max 30 minutes if he sat 4 minutes each half and played the entire 2nd half. Unrealistic to think he would just come in and play straight through. He'd at least need a 2 minute break at some point.