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[justinhub2003]

are we really sure that scott plays good defense? that seems to be the (at least as stated) clear consensus, perhaps based on his general athletic ability, but are there any metrics or statistics that back that up? to me, from an eye test perspective, i don't know that i've seen good defense.

Scott’s offense and defense both rank “good” In synergy.

He is an energy guy who comes off the bench to defend and rebound. I have no idea why Tre Scott is even being discussed. If Gary and Kyle do their job, we won’t need Tre Scott to play many minutes.

I mean, the reality is; this is a tape you burn and throw away. They are great at mucking up the game and did a great job getting back on defense to prevent us from running. That’s it. We won. I don’t want to even think about this game anymore because it says nothing about us. Just like the Xavier game didn’t.

 

[Madman81]

There is a basic level of knowledge that is assumed when someone creates a username to talk UC hoops. We shouldn't have to recite player statistics to you.

if you think advanced defensive metrics are a basic, assumed level of knowledge, i think you are far out of line.

where on the standard stat line are you going to make an assessment of defensive competency?

there are plenty of actual idiots around these parts - direct your frustration with them towards them and keep this dumb, snitty bullshit away from me.

 

[waterhead]

which is fine and is the reason for my comment. this is, as i understand it, a discussion forum.

i think the least competent portion of his defensive game is his low post defending - it seems to me like he gets himself sealed down low in the paint with greater frequency than our other forwards after the mass of switches that take place.

he might be far better than our other forwards at sticking with a guard that he gets switched on to, but i don't know that we've faced the level of competition yet to make much of an assessment there.

He played the entire year last year so if you watched any of those games maybe you can reflect.

So far this year for players playing 100+ minutes...the numbers per 40 minutes are like this for Scott,

1st in FG%
2nd in Rebounds
3rd in assists
4th in steals
5th in blocks

I don't have deflection numbers but he seems to get his hands on a lot of them. We've had 10 players play over 100 minutes.

He doesn't score a lot obviously. His turnovers went up significantly because of 4 turnovers in 4 minutes last game. He doesn't foul a lot for a big. Overall he is not a great player but these aren't sucky numbers in the overall context either. He is a role player that usually does okay filling that role.

 

[justinhub2003]

if you think advanced defensive metrics are a basic, assumed level of knowledge, i think you are far out of line.

where on the standard stat line are you going to make an assessment of defensive competency?

there are plenty of actual idiots around these parts - direct your frustration with them towards them and keep this dumb, snitty bullshit away from me.

Synergy is the tool that every D1 coach uses around the country to scout. Everything is broken down by possession. If Tre Scott is guarding you, you don’t score at a very high clip. That’s what the numbers say.

The numbers also say he is our best big at assist rate, they also say that he has the highest effective fg% on the team. Also he is the 2nd best offensive rebounder by % as well.

He only shoots when he is open 13-19 from the field, passes to his teammates and creates extra possessions.

Those are what the numbers say. He is the exact opposite of Quadri Moore.

The only glaring hole in his game is TO rate which is god aweful. But other than that he is the epitome of what a non shooting role player should be in his first and a half seasons.

 

[cincyguy13]

Fans are emotional about the team. That’s why sports are big business.

This. We have too many “fan police” on this site. Fans overract to everything in every sport. If a team plays well, and ranked high, fans will think it’s we are winning a championship, ( Xavier fans right now). If we play bad, it’s the end of the world. Both are fine. That’s what makes it fun. Nothing new

 

[skylinecat]

Synergy is the tool that every D1 coach uses around the country to scout. Everything is broken down by possession. If Tre Scott is guarding you, you don’t score at a very high clip. That’s what the numbers say.

The numbers also say he is our best big at assist rate, they also say that he has the highest effective fg% on the team. Also he is the 2nd best offensive rebounder by % as well.

He only shoots when he is open 13-19 from the field, passes to his teammates and creates extra possessions.

Those are what the numbers say. He is the exact opposite of Quadri Moore.

The only glaring hole in his game is TO rate which is god aweful. But other than that he is the epitome of what a non shooting role player should be in his first and a half seasons.

I like Scott. He obviously had a terrible game last night, but generally I think he brings a lot to the table and could be pretty good playing alongside Brooks. We are going to see a very different team next year.

I'm imagining a starting line up of:

Broome, Cumberland, Moore/Williams (depending on the matchup), Scott, Brooks that is going to rely more on 3 point shooting and solid passing/running the offense. Scott is a far better passer than any of our other bigs and our rim protection will be solid between him and Brooks. They just need to be able to make the easy buckets and let the guards to the heavy lifting. Cumberland will need to get out of his funk though.

Edit: We say it every year, but next years team will need to get out and run more. Broome, Williams, Scott and Brooks are all far above average running/in transition. Gary just isn't that guy and runs like his shoes way 20 pounds.

 

[Nayers]

Oh sorry. You literally never post here and started calling the players balls of sh*t while we were losing. I guess I didn't give enough credence to the "lol" part. See who you're lumping yourself in with when you pick a curious time to start posting your thoughts?

I think you need to relax. I don't "literally never post here". Unless I lump you in with the degenerates who don't comprehend the word literally. No, I don't spend all day giving my hot takes on the fan forum, but I don't judge anyone who does. I am thankful for all the useful info I get here on a daily basis. SLOW YOUR ROLE HOMESKILLET/s(caps for added umph)

 

[cincrulz11]

if you think advanced defensive metrics are a basic, assumed level of knowledge, i think you are far out of line.

where on the standard stat line are you going to make an assessment of defensive competency?

there are plenty of actual idiots around these parts - direct your frustration with them towards them and keep this dumb, snitty bullshit away from me.

i would contend that advanced defensive metrics are likely the least reliable stats one could use. i think its extremely difficult to know what each person was responsible for on each play.

synergy has kwash as a much better defender than gary. DRtg has Gary as a much better defender than everybody on the team.

 

[waterhead]

This. We have too many “fan police” on this site. Fans overract to everything in every sport. If a team plays well, and ranked high, fans will think it’s we are winning a championship, ( Xavier fans right now). If we play bad, it’s the end of the world. Both are fine. That’s what makes it fun. Nothing new

The reason the new forum rules were created in the first place is because many fans wanted more policing because we had too many trolls. The trolls wanted less policing as you might expect...lol! Their existence is to try to disrupt and get a reaction out of others.

I think we had it to a point that was reasonable and hardly anything was reported for quite a while...but then trolls can go and create new accounts and we have to do research to find them which nobody has time to do. Most of the time the moderators aren't the one's reporting posts...it's other forum members. If the mods discover suspected troll accounts from members banned in the past we will get rid of them again.

There really is very little policing going on overall. There are so many posts in this thread that could have been warned or reported but only a couple have. But it's a nice conspiracy theory....hahaha

 

[cincyguy13]

Scott is what he is. I actually like him him than most people. I don’t expect him to do anything besides hustle and play defense though. These players can be useful in short periods of time. The problem is when you need these players to score or dribble. He wasn’t brought in to do these things. Having said that, going forward, I hope we get away from these types of players. I would rather have a undersized 2 Star that knows how to play and can shot rather than a crazy athletic project.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

This. We have too many “fan police” on this site. Fans overract to everything in every sport. If a team plays well, and ranked high, fans will think it’s we are winning a championship, ( Xavier fans right now). If we play bad, it’s the end of the world. Both are fine. That’s what makes it fun. Nothing new

It wouldn't be fun for Trevon Scott's family to see people saying he "******* sucks" bc he had a bad game in a tough road win.

 

[waterhead]

The reason the new forum rules were created in the first place is because many fans wanted more policing because we had too many trolls. The trolls wanted less policing as you might expect...lol! Their existence is to try to disrupt and get a reaction out of others.

I think we had it to a point that was reasonable and hardly anything was reported for quite a while...but then trolls can go and create new accounts and we have to do research to find them which nobody has time to do. Most of the time the moderators aren't the one's reporting posts...it's other forum members. If the mods discover suspected troll accounts from members banned in the past we will get rid of them again.

There really is very little policing going on overall. There are so many posts in this thread that could have been warned or reported but only a couple have. But it's a nice conspiracy theory....hahaha

Since June of this year there have been 8 total posts reported out of I don't know how many thousand posts. Few actions have been taken.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

It wouldn't be fun for Trevon Scott's family to see people saying he "******* sucks" bc he had a bad game in a tough road win.

Completely classless and it won't be tolerated on this board. It's not open for debate either. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.

 

[Madman81]

Synergy is the tool that every D1 coach uses around the country to scout. Everything is broken down by possession. If Tre Scott is guarding you, you don’t score at a very high clip. That’s what the numbers say.

The numbers also say he is our best big at assist rate, they also say that he has the highest effective fg% on the team. Also he is the 2nd best offensive rebounder by % as well.

He only shoots when he is open 13-19 from the field, passes to his teammates and creates extra possessions.

Those are what the numbers say. He is the exact opposite of Quadri Moore.

The only glaring hole in his game is TO rate which is god aweful. But other than that he is the epitome of what a non shooting role player should be in his first and a half seasons.

i wonder if a system like that might struggle to capture things accurately with a defense like ours, in particular, where each guy's responsibility can change every 2 seconds.

definitely a helpful perspective, though - thanks for posting.

 

[cincrulz11]

Scott still has more assists than turnovers on the season.


I can't remember all of his turnovers last night but I do recall 1 of them wasn't even his fault. He was going to crash the glass and Evans made one of the strangest passes you're gonna see.

 

[cincyguy13]

The reason the new forum rules were created in the first place is because many fans wanted more policing because we had too many trolls. The trolls wanted less policing as you might expect...lol! Their existence is to try to disrupt and get a reaction out of others.

I think we had it to a point that was reasonable and hardly anything was reported for quite a while...but then trolls can go and create new accounts and we have to do research to find them which nobody has time to do. Most of the time the moderators aren't the one's reporting posts...it's other forum members. If the mods discover suspected troll accounts from members banned in the past we will get rid of them again.

There really is very little policing going on overall. There are so many posts in this thread that could have been warned or reported but only a couple have. But it's a nice conspiracy theory....hahaha

Every time some one says anything that questions the team or says this team might not be as good as we hoped, they are told how dumb they are for thinking this way and are called bad fans. Whatever that means. We have guys questioning people’s opinions because they don’t post enough. Like that makes their opinion somehow less relevant. But you’re right, it’s probably just a conspiracy theory

 

[Nayers]

Exactly. "Evans plays like a wuss in big games", "Cumberland is a big ball of shit right now". Those were some gems. Meanwhile, this was all being said with the game still well in reach...

You forreal think even if they were made aware of something snarky username Nayers said, they would give a crap? Seriously? Man, they don't give a shit about what we think, just what coach and the media say. That is a weak excuse for not saying things about players.

Cumberland did in fact, look like shit yesterday. Plain and simple. I hope he puts up 25 next game. But I'm not gonna not post on a fan board about a bad performance. That is what its here for.

There are two types of posters, those who say their literal frustrations with the team in the moment, and those who use their frustration with the team to rag on the fans who are putting it on their sleeves. And then there's Waite aka switzerland

 

[waterhead]

Scott still has more assists than turnovers on the season.


I can't remember all of his turnovers last night but I do recall 1 of them wasn't even his fault. He was going to crash the glass and Evans made one of the strangest passes you're gonna see.

I remember him dribbling across half court during a press and getting called for a travel with nobody around. Cronin yanked him immediately for trying to play PG I think.

 

[cincrulz11]

Every time some one says anything that questions the team or says this team might not be as good as we hoped, they are told how dumb they are for thinking this way and are called bad fans. Whatever that means. We have guys questioning people’s opinions because they don’t post enough. Like that makes their opinion somehow less relevant. But you’re right, it’s probably just a conspiracy theory

i think everybody all around could be less sensitive sometimes. we get caught up in specific arguments and sometimes rational thoughts go away.


it happens to everybody from time to time, we are all human.


and for those of us that have been here many years, we remember a time when the trolls were so bad and the comments so offensive, you had to come here prepared to battle.

 

[Nayers]

I remember him dribbling across half court during a press and getting called for a travel with nobody around. Cronin yanked him immediately for trying to play PG I think.

This was not his fault at all, it was like evans forgot he needed to come to the ball as backup PG and scott was forced to take the ball across the timeline to avoide 10 seconds. I'm not understanding the anti-scott train. He usually plays within himself pretty well.