Torian Graham 2014 JUCO SG

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dp3113 said:
i asked some poster in the original comment a few pages back if they had seen deberry and graham play because that person declared that deberry and graham were "ready to play college basketball right now." that person had never seen them play, so i tried to caution against declaring jucos as ready to play if they hadn't actually seen them because people often pencil them in as starters and often they often struggle their first year.

after that, people are started arguing against me insinuating i said jucos are flops, that i don't think that deberry and graham are good, that since they are ranked high that means they are ready to play, etc….all of which things i never said or came remotely close to insinuating. as a result, i keep repeating myself to defend against these assumptions, because i never said what these people are implying i said. the only way to defend myself is to restate my original point, not what they choose to interpret what i said as.
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I've never seen Deberry play, but from the rankings on rivals and the fact that mick Cronin said on his mick Cronin radio show that larry brown thought deberry is going to be very good I'm going to take his word for it.

So no I havnt seen them play, but that doesn't mean I don't know they are good, their is enough information out there that would make me believe they are going to be very good players. Being judged by high major scouts and reputable sites such as rivals makes me believe these two are special.

And one last thing I understand you think the competition deberry was playing against isn't as good as D1 college basketball, because it is obviously not, but its better than the competition gary clark was playing against all year, I can say that with 100% certainty
 
dp3113 said:
rubles, mbodj, toyloy, hyrcaniuk all struggled. you are right- rubles did some good things his first year. he is one of my favorite players in UC history because of the toughness he displayed this year. but he struggled last year. he shot 33% and averaged 2 turnovers a game. yes, he led the team in boards - but having a team leader only averaging 5.8 boards per game is more of an indictment on your team not having great rebounders than it is on him leading them.

as for the Chris Jones thing - i used to coach for a number of years when i was right out of college and have a number of friends now who stuck with it through the years. two juco assistants - one from a kansas school and one from a florida school told me that about jones.
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Rubles did more than just lead the team in rebounding his first year. He was second in assists and fourth in scoring. It isn't Rubles fault there was nobody else to get boards, the bottom line is that he rebounded, and led the team. He also averaged 2 assists a game, makes the TO's not as bad.

Cheikh - 2 pts 2 rebounds

Toyloy - 4 pts 4 rebs Jr year

Adam H 6 pts 5 rebs

Yes the other may have struggled a little, 6 and 5 for Adam H in the BEast is not shabby at all.

Regarding Jones, so there was no link, I get that. So you are basing your opinion of him saying he is the best JUCO player in over 15 years from a couple of friends? Have they been coaches for all those 15 years? Have they seen all the players in JUCO ranks the past 15 years? I think that I will defer judgment to Cronin and his staff. If Cronin thinks Deberry will be solid and Larry Brown said he was solid, I believe he will be. If Cronin says Strickland is a scorer, I tend to believe him since the last player he said that about will have his name up in 5/3 on the AA wall.
 
Patrick Bateman said:
Rubles did more than just lead the team in rebounding his first year. He was second in assists and fourth in scoring. It isn't Rubles fault there was nobody else to get boards, the bottom line is that he rebounded, and led the team. He also averaged 2 assists a game, makes the TO's not as bad.

Cheikh - 2 pts 2 rebounds

Toyloy - 4 pts 4 rebs Jr year

Adam H 6 pts 5 rebs

Yes the other may have struggled a little, 6 and 5 for Adam H in the BEast is not shabby at all.

Regarding Jones, so there was no link, I get that. So you are basing your opinion of him saying he is the best JUCO player in over 15 years from a couple of friends? Have they been coaches for all those 15 years? Have they seen all the players in JUCO ranks the past 15 years? I think that I will defer judgment to Cronin and his staff. If Cronin thinks Deberry will be solid and Larry Brown said he was solid, I believe he will be. If Cronin says Strickland is a scorer, I tend to believe him since the last player he said that about will have his name up in 5/3 on the AA wall.
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These guys have been JUCO coaches for 7 and 9 years respectively and yes they are surrounded by coaches who have been around much longer. guys talk in that circuit and stories and opinions are shared. i apologize that the opinion of veteran juco coaches on chris jones isn't good enough for you. i'm not sure what will satisfy you at this point if that opinion isn't valid in your mind. jeez dude.

again, when did i say deberry wouldn't be solid? when? i never said that. and you ask why i keep repeating myself and clarifying that all i said was "they could struggle." there you go- you answered your own question.

for the record, cronin's story he told about 5 times this year on his radio re: larry brown was that brown said deberry had bigger hands than dr. j. that isn't a statement about his basketball ability that is a physical characteristic.
 
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mdchick said:
I've never seen Deberry play, but from the rankings on rivals and the fact that mick Cronin said on his mick Cronin radio show that larry brown thought deberry is going to be very good I'm going to take his word for it.

So no I havnt seen them play, but that doesn't mean I don't know they are good, their is enough information out there that would make me believe they are going to be very good players. Being judged by high major scouts and reputable sites such as rivals makes me believe these two are special.

And one last thing I understand you think the competition deberry was playing against isn't as good as D1 college basketball, because it is obviously not, but its better than the competition gary clark was playing against all year, I can say that with 100% certainty
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that is fine. this started because i asked you if you seen them play- that is all. i didnt ask if you have seen videos or juco rankings because we all have looked at those numerous times now. an easy no would have sufficed.

also, i have never mentioned gary clark or the competition he faced; never said he was more ready; never even brought him into this conversation. i am not sure what point you are trying to prove because that isn't relevant to anything i've said.

that is it. i am sorry that this dragged on.
 
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I didnt have season tix for Hutchinson Community College, am I allowwd to think DeBerry will contribute? Or does his 12-12 game with 10 dunks and 70% season fg% not count bc I wasnt there?

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Sorry dont respond, Im just joking...
 
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dp3113 said:
These guys have been JUCO coaches for 7 and 9 years respectively and yes they are surrounded by coaches who have been around much longer. guys talk in that circuit and stories and opinions are shared. i apologize that the opinion of veteran juco coaches on chris jones isn't good enough for you. i'm not sure what will satisfy you at this point if that opinion isn't valid in your mind. jeez dude.

again, when did i say deberry wouldn't be solid? when? i never said that. and you ask why i keep repeating myself and clarifying that all i said was "they could struggle." there you go- you answered your own question.

for the record, cronin's story he told about 5 times this year on his radio re: larry brown was that brown said deberry had bigger hands than dr. j. that isn't a statement about his basketball ability that is a physical characteristic.
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Absolutely correct. At no point did MC state that Larry Brown had said the DeBerry was a solid player. Just that he had the biggest hands he had ever seen. I think that DeBerry will be very solid for the Cats next year, and will be a consistent inside presence that has lacking since Yancy's graduation. Let's hope that Graham decides to commit and we will again be very good next year. Should be an interesting week and a half as we approach the the late signing period.
 
Graham picked up his 4th crystal ball to UC on 247sports last night. Went from 12/12 picking Mizzou (most picked that in January) to 4 switching to UC within the last 3 days.
 
Someone last week said he would decide before the 16th...was that just a guess, or does Graham have an announcement set?
 
Scheids21 said:
Because they seemingly enjoy arguing about stupid points like whether Torian Graham can be really good next year or just pretty good next year...Exhausting.
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i apologize that i contributed to dragging that out. i should have just stopped responding a while ago.
 
TrillCosby said:
FWIW PrezOno is no longer following Graham on twitter.
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It also could have been some quick due diligence Ono was doing on him. Some coaches have mentioned before that they stopped recruiting guys based on posts they make on Facebook and Twitter. Ono could have gone in, made sure there was nothing tasteless/offensive and then unfollowed because he didn't want the bulk of Tweets that many college athletes put out there flooding his feed. Who knows, I don't think there its worth reading too much into either way.
 
Anyone else worried about Kentucky at this point? I hope Graham isn't waiting on UK players to announce leaving and Cal offering after the fact.
 

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