Tulane Game Thread

[cincyguy13]

Just like the argument someone out coaches someone, when they had nothing to do with how there team scores the majority of there points he gets the credit for broken down offense and desperation shooting? I don’t give him credit for that

He took Vogt out and played tried to beat Tulane out their own game. This did not work and was the turning point in the game. Was there other reasons we lost, yes. A lot of them. Turnovers and rebounding and shot making. I never blame everything on the coach or the players. It's always a combination of both. Having said that, We can't lose to Tulane (colgate at home). We can't lose these games. At some point, the coach has to be accountable for some of that.

 

[waterhead]

Just like the argument someone out coaches someone, when they had nothing to do with how there team scores the majority of there points he gets the credit for broken down offense and desperation shooting? I don’t give him credit for that

Again...nobody mentioned desperation 3s or a hot shooter etc...even the FTs. Once again there are bigger issues

 

[cincyguy13]

Play a zone.

Lol they moved the 3 point basket back and teams are shooting a lower percentage. Let’s play zone.

Of course we won’t tho

If rebounding is an issue, zone wouldn't help but it's worth a shot at this point I guess.

 

[Goldpanner]

Play a zone.

Lol they moved the 3 point basket back and teams are shooting a lower percentage. Let’s play zone.

Of course we won’t tho

Tulane shot what? 50% 3 pointers. Zone would not be the answer

 

[cincyalum2014]

McNeal is useless, If Jaevin isn’t hitting shots he is useless, liability on defense.. Jarron turned it on for about 10 minutes... Keith was great in the first half and then horrifying in the second half, Tre Scott was Tre Scott, Chris Vogt couldn’t defend the Asian kid who was nailing 3’s, JB should have made an adjustment, Diarra played a great game IMO, he deserves more minutes, Davenport played well when in, give him McNeals minutes

 

[skyblade]

I thought Brannen got out coached. Hard not to love Ron Hunter. The match up zone had them confused. He should not have brought Vogt out of the game.

Other things, our rebounding is terrible. Houston is the same size as us, if not smaller and they go after everything. That could be on the coach also.

Also, can anyone make a shot?

Pulling Vogt to the perimeter took him out of the rebounding equation. Jaevin is a terrible rebounder. You can only ask the other 3 guys to do so much.

 

[waterhead]

He took Vogt out and played tried to beat Tulane out their own game. This did not work and was the turning point in the game. Was there other reasons we lost, yes. A lot of them. Turnovers and rebounding and shot making. I never blame everything on the coach or the players. It's always a combination of both. Having said that, We can't lose to Tulane (colgate at home). We can't lose these games. At some point, the coach has to be accountable for some of that.

Agreed! If you are going to take out one of your best players because a non shooter is bombing 30 footers. I would suggest against it. I would probably let Jaevin take those bombs most nights.

Beyond that we played stupid basketball. Turnovers and shot selection. We were out hustled. Our in boun play calls or off timeouts were generally trash.

This was one of CJBs worst coached games and I am fully on board his train

 

[skyblade]

Tulane shot what? 50% 3 pointers. Zone would not be the answer

Their center was 5-5, the rest of their team only shot 30%. Playing a zone would have defended their center than having Vogt on him did.

 

[skyblade]

Agreed! If you are going to take out one of your best players because a non shooter is bombing 30 footers. I would suggest against it. I would probably let Jaevin take those bombs most nights.

Beyond that we played stupid basketball. Turnovers and shot selection. We were out hustled. Our in boun play calls or off timeouts were generally trash.

This was one of CJBs worst coached games and I am fully on board his train

How many games are you guys going to watch the other teams center bomb threes before you admit it's not just one guy getting lucky? It's not the first (or second, or third) game Vogt couldn't defend the other teams center on the perimeter and it won't be the last (unless/until Brannen changes the defensive scheme up to protect Vogt).

 

[cincyguy13]

If you look at the numbers, we should have won.

Out rebounded them by 7. Seemed like every offensive board they had, they scored though.

18 assists to 8.

12 offensive boards to 9.

44% from the field to 41%

17 TURNOVERS to 10

7-27 from 3 for us (25%) to 8-15 (53%)

Came down to turnovers and 3s. Had plenty of open looks.

 

[justinhub2003]

If rebounding is an issue, zone wouldn't help but it's worth a shot at this point I guess.

We’ve played a matchup zone for years and still rebounded fairly decent.

We have nothing to lose.

 

[waterhead]

Their center was 5-5, the rest of their team only shot 30%. Playing a zone would have defended their center than having Vogt on him did.

Even with Diara in I would have let Zhang bomb 30 footers. But I would have rather Vogt been able to score 8 more points in the mean time

 

[cincyguy13]

Their center was 5-5, the rest of their team only shot 30%. Playing a zone would have defended their center than having Vogt on him did.

Did you watch the game? I know at least 2 of those were when Vogt was not in the game, or guarding him. Are we blaming him for all 5 even though he wasn't in the game? Let me know.

 

[skyblade]

McNeal is useless, If Jaevin isn’t hitting shots he is useless, liability on defense.. Jarron turned it on for about 10 minutes... Keith was great in the first half and then horrifying in the second half, Tre Scott was Tre Scott, Chris Vogt couldn’t defend the Asian kid who was nailing 3’s, JB should have made an adjustment, Diarra played a great game IMO, he deserves more minutes, Davenport played well when in, give him McNeals minutes

Yeah, I thought Davenport and Diarra played well. McNeal and Jaevin a such major liabilities (on opposite ends of the court) that I wouldn't mid letting someone else earn their minutes. Jaevin can be great when the threes are falling, but that seems to not be happening lately.

Tulane went after Vogt all night and he wasn't up to the challenge. Hard to say a guy who scored 21 points hurt us more then he helped us, but he may have.

 

[justinhub2003]

Tulane shot what? 50% 3 pointers. Zone would not be the answer

Dude we foul a crap ton. A lot of it is because we can’t guard. A zone by nature helps hide poor defenders and helps the fouling issue.

3 pointers rarely beat you alone if you don’t foul and allow easy buckets.

 

[cincyguy13]

We’ve played a matchup zone for years and still rebounded fairly decent.

We have nothing to lose.

The zone is harder to rebound out of. That's why teams don't run it but I agree, why not throw it in there every once in a while. Can't hurt at this point.

 

[Goldpanner]

Did you watch the game? I know at least 2 of those were when Vogt was not in the game, or guarding him. Are we blaming him for all 5 even though he wasn't in the game? Let me know.

Scott was on him for at least 2 of them. Williams on the other

 

[justinhub2003]

Lol I mean we’re cincinnati and we just allowed 76 points from Tulane and people are defending the current strategy.

I’ve dropped my bias. Every one drop theirs too,

We suck at defense.

And it seems Brannen has very little respect for other coaches considering he makes no adjustments at half when seemingly the other team is.

Perfect example: Chris Mack can’t coach defense and is a packline defense guy. But when Xavier was at its best a few years ago, it was because he was willing to mix up a 1-3-1 that confused so many teams.

 

[skyblade]

Did you watch the game? I know at least 2 of those were when Vogt was not in the game, or guarding him. Are we blaming him for all 5 even though he wasn't in the game? Let me know.

Not blaming him for all 5 (I believe he was 3-3 over Vogt, 1-1 over Sorolla and 1-1 over Keith). But him pulling Vogt to the perimeter hurt us way more than just him hitting threes.

Vogt on the perimeter takes away our interior defender and makes Vogt useless for defensive rebounding. Besides that, Tulane also put Vogt in a lot of pick-and-rolls and had a fair amount of success with it. There's a reason Brannen went to Diarra at center for a while this game.

 

[cincyguy13]

Not blaming him for all 5 (I believe he was 3-3 over Vogt, 1-1 over Sorolla and 1-1 over Keith). But him pulling Vogt to the perimeter hurt us way more than just him hitting threes.

Vogt on the perimeter takes away our interior defender and makes Vogt useless for defensive rebounding. Besides that, Tulane also put Vogt in a lot of pick-and-rolls and had a fair amount of success with it. There's a reason Brannen went to Diarra at center for a while this game.

You haven't given me a solution. Maybe you have, I don't know. But you either want him guarding his man or protecting the rim? He can't do both, and you need he's offense. So what's the solution?