I don't like repeating myself. Go back and read if you want to know what I disagree with. It's all there.
I’ve read it. Think we both keep repeating ourselves. Might be time to call it. I don’t think we are far apart. One last time. I don’t think they are at that elite level I had hoped for coming in but they still could reach it.
To much thought in all these numbers. We should only worry about the true stats. And that’s Pts, Ast, Rebs etc.... What if there wasn’t a Kempom and all those other stats the players don’t care about better yet don’t know about. They can care less. All they want to do is ball-out. Sorry.
Oh and Justin thanks for sending me that video. It shows how Cane gets better as the game goes on. The kid have great amnesia.
Why shouldn't we look at other stats?
Why are the ones you referenced, the "true" stats?
Because they were implemented widely first? Because you're comfortable with them? Or because they're more widely used?
Dean Smith was tracking points per possession in the 1960's. This isn't some complex algorithm, high level calculus, or other weird equation. It's literally points per possession scored and allowed, with a small adjustment for quality of opponent.
If something is better, it seems silly to use something else. And right now kenpom and synergy are the two best things out there.
Also the players may not be intimately familiar with the details of kenpom, but the coaches are. The best coaches have been using kpom as a starting point reference in scouting + synergy for quite some time.
Brad Stevens was using kpom back when he started at butler. Thad Matta was, Sean Miller, and many others made common reference to it almost 10 years ago.
Virtually every single college coach uses synergy ( or something similar) to cut up game film. NBA players are given cut up film on their iPads on the plane trip to the next game. Playing Houston next game and you're on Harden? You can see every single high PNR , every side PNR from each side, each iso for the past however many games to watch his tendencies. All the NBA teams use this. I'd imagine a majority of college teams use this.
Do they need to know every statistical detail? Of course not, but many of them are watching synergy game clips for tendencies.
Hell, my brother in law's high school girls basketball team has access to this on something called Hudl. He showed me on his phone a game where a girl's team hit 11 3's, and I could watch it in maybe 2 minutes to see what led to each open look. It's really useful. And if this is in high school girls basketball, I'm confident it's widespread in D1 men's major college bball
So this win makes them a great team? Lol. No I still don’t think they are a great team or should we put them in the final 4 right now? How good do you think uk is? Honestly, right now do you think they are great? I don’t. I think most everyone who watches basketball would tell you this isn’t the typical top 5 uk team. It’s dtill a good win. It helps uc and makes them look better. I’m all for that. You seem to think I don’t want good things for the team. I am disappointed with how they’ve played this year considering the expectations. That’s it. I still want good things to happen for them
a top 5 team. A team that doesn't get killed and look completely over-matched at xavier and a team that doesn't have 20 turnovers and lose to a Florida team that wasn't playing good. Is that crazy? I get that teams lose games but they didn't look like a great team to me in those games. When a team is supposed to be the best team we have had in 15 years, I expect a lot. I guess I should expect less now days.
I’ve said numberous Times, it isn’t the end of the world and the season is not over. This team can still have a great year. I can’t say it any more clearly than that. I am strickly grading from what I’ve seen and admittly there isn’t much to go on with our schedule. 2 bad performances and 2 good. That’s average. And I expected more. That’s my bad
I don’t even understand your argument at this point. What have I said that you disagree with? The team didn’t play well against x and Florida. I expected them to play better. And by playing better, yes maybe win. Teams in loses do tend to play bad. There are exceptions (Florida vs Duke this year). My expectations along with many others thought they would be great team. I heard many people say this was the best team in the Cronin era. To me they haven’t look like it. (Atleast not yet). You seem to think I am saying something completely out of line.
You just sound like you're contradicting yourself, you say things which sound like your completely bashing the ability of the team and really just the team in general and then 3 sentences later, you're like but I don't think that stuff?
what have i said that bashed the team? I think you can question a team or say they aren't as good as you thought they would be without bashing. I consider this having an honest conversation, not bashing. I would really like to know an examples of me bashing the team.
Also examples of me contradicting myself. You can have multiple thoughts at the same time. Is this not possible? I can think the team hasn't played as well as I thought they would and still think they have the possibility of playing to that level in the future.
Meh...I don't think you have said anything too horrible. Perhaps rather than turning it around...we can agree on turning it up a notch?
Myself, I was thinking we would see a few bumps along the way with new PG's and playing away from our home. We are putting some new guys in at a crucial position and missing some guys who were a big part of the identity of the team. Troy ran this ball club in an entirely different way than Cane can or will. Cronin has had to adjust style a bit too. That takes time to build chemistry...to learn each others tendencies etc. I expect a couple more bumps still to come...but am hoping we really start to gel, find our identity on offense, and work better together as a unit.
I wish we had the FLA game back but other than that we have taken care of business for the most part. We were 1:5 in assist to turnover against FLA (4 assists to 20 to's). On the road against a top 10 team in X is very difficult on it's own. Now throw in the fact it's one of college BB biggest rivalries. Then throw in the fact X has one of the best home records in BB. I don't look back and say we should have won that game...but of course it would have been nice to pull it off.
Meh...I don't think you have said anything too horrible. Perhaps rather than turning it around...we can agree on turning it up a notch?
Myself, I was thinking we would see a few bumps along the way with new PG's and playing away from our home. We are putting some new guys in at a crucial position and missing some guys who were a big part of the identity of the team. Troy ran this ball club in an entirely different way than Cane can or will. Cronin has had to adjust style a bit too. That takes time to build chemistry...to learn each others tendencies etc. I expect a couple more bumps still to come...but am hoping we really start to gel, find our identity on offense, and work better together as a unit.
I wish we had the FLA game back but other than that we have taken care of business for the most part. We were 1:5 in assist to turnover against FLA (4 assists to 20 to's). On the road against a top 10 team in X is very difficult on it's own. Now throw in the fact it's one of college BB biggest rivalries. Then throw in the fact X has one of the best home records in BB. I don't look back and say we should have won that game...but of course it would have been nice to pull it off.
I'm sorry but you just sound absolutely ridiculous. Like I've been using as an example, UNC just lost at home to wofford. We lost to a top ten team in a bad game, do you really think that's how we will play every game? And agin a sloppy game against Florida we should have won if it wasn't for some mistakes down the stretch. Two little hiccups, so we weren't perfect, but you act like our season is over already, it's just weird to me
When looking at things this way we are about 7 points from making this non con resume look very very good as opposed to somewhat good. 4 assists to 20 turnovers is your answer...even on a below average shooting night. Kyle and Jacob accounted for 9 of those turnovers against FLA. If we could have even been 1 assist to 2 turnovers in that game we win going away. 11 assists I think is our next lowest total. 4 assists...wtf? 21 turnovers I think is also a high. Manage just one of those departments in that game and we win easy.
Literally said numerous times the season is not over. Does it help losing those games, no. The Wofford example is an out-liar. These games rarely happen and you know it. It's why this one game keeps getting brought up. To me, do we have to be perfect? no. But we have to be really close to perfect to have the type of season we all hoped. If we aren't, we will get another 6 seed. We have to be Memphis in C-USA, Gonzaga, Wichita before this year. That is why I had high expectations. I thought we were capable of having a 31-3 type year. We still can but it's going to be a lot harder now. This is why I am somewhat disappointed. (so far)
When did I say "great" I literally said not so bad. Are not so bad and great synonymous now? You acted like UCLA was trash, like cool we beat them on the road they're not that good anyway. My point is they went on the road and beat UK, they can't be that bad. And U.K. Is overrated as usual, but still a top 20 team and UCLA handleded them away. That's my point.
Please pull up the post saying this. I don't recall anyone saying 31-3. I said 27-4 regular season and I don't remember anyone coming in with a record better than that in just the regular season, let alone the conference tournament championship beyond that. If you did say it, then I will stand corrected. But I'd like to see it.
Against FLA...we were 7 assists shy of our next worst performance. At 2 points per assist that would be 14 points. Shave 6 turnovers at 1 ppp and you have just made up 20 points. Even if you low ball it we are going to get 15 more points out of this and we are still at 11 assists to 16 turnovers...which is still horrible. That doesn't even account for poor shooting. .267 from 3 and .426 overall. It was the perfect storm.
So we played horrible and we didn't win...but we were still very close which means the potential was there for a massacre on a good night. I think that's the point to focus on right now. We responded against UCLA and MIss st. I can live with that.
Literally said numerous times the season is not over. Does it help losing those games, no. The Wofford example is an out-liar. These games rarely happen and you know it. It's why this one game keeps getting brought up. To me, do we have to be perfect? no. But we have to be really close to perfect to have the type of season we all hoped. If we aren't, we will get another 6 seed. We have to be Memphis in C-USA, Gonzaga, Wichita before this year. That is why I had high expectations. I thought we were capable of having a 31-3 type year. We still can but it's going to be a lot harder now. This is why I am somewhat disappointed. (so far)